Is Secret Invasion racist?

[KangConquers]

You were talking about the team not the aliens.

I was talking about the team being the type that would go invade others.

Ultimates 1 was basically Ultimate SI. Ultimates 2 they invaded Iraq and abused their powers due to U.S. paranoia.

Corp was essentially talking about an alternate reality in which the reaction of the avengers would be to go fight the skrulls on their own turf; I just pointed out it would be an amalgamation of Ultimates 1 and 2.

 

[Manic]

I've seen those "Embrace Change" pictures in my comics before, and I always assumed they were pro-Skrull propaganda. Like it was the Skrulls creating Rockwellian posters of themselves living peacefully on Earth, telling humans to embrace them as the new neighbors on the block, the new kids in school, ect.

 

[chamber-music]

Hey, Spider-Man sold his marriage to the devil. I'm just sticking around to see how badly they can f**k this whole thing up.

After they had Pete reveal his identity there was only one way it was gonna go, I'm just surprise at weak way they went about it. Its up there with Superman flying round the planet really fast to turn back time and Superboy Prime punching the universe or some BS.

 

[masteryoda]

Skrulls are an alien race right?
But apparantly they are all evil.
Hmm what was that definition of racism and bigotry again.

If dc made up a human race somewhere in europe and said they were all evil down to the last man, woman and child they would get done for being racist. Why is it acceptable just because it is an alien race?

Villains are good vaillain are cool. Have doc doom take over nyc or magneto attack bombay. Thats fine. they are individuals who have chosen a path of evil. But to have an alien species who are simply evil outright is racist. Are skrull babies evil?

Where in the text can you see that the Skrulls are refered to as evil?Everything you've written is your own take on what Marvel is putting out there. As far as I'm concerned the Skrulls represent America and the hero's and American citizens represent Iraq or some other country they have invaded. It's all depends on your point of view.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

The allegory/comparison between a fictional alien INVASION scenario about an outside species that wants to wipe out HUMANITY (and not just poor, defenseless white Republican conservatives) is amazing. It's really gotten me thinking about the current state of the world we live in in reality where certain races of human apparently also want to wipe all of humanity off the face of the earth.

To prove how far we've come as a society, regarding previous social ills, I would be excited for the opportunity to vote for a Skrull to be President, based simply on the fact that he's a Skrull. Just to show how progressive I am! I Embrace Change.

 

[Vanguard07]

This whole question is ridiculous PC hippy crap. They're religious extremists who are trying to conquer earth. Of course they're depicted as the bad guys.
Next you'll go so far as to say you're only allowed to hate people who are exactly the same as you. If they're different you have to let them win because otherwise you're racist.

As for the "Embrace Change" adds. I think they're pretty clever actually. It's clearly supposed to be threatening and to reference the way that they've infiltrated us. The "Embrace Change" thing seems to be like "look we're already everywhere. We're your neighbors, your friends, your teachers. You've already lost. Accept it"
The propoganda aspects of it are there too but they're not the most important aspect to me.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

As for the "Embrace Change" adds. I think they're pretty clever actually. It's clearly supposed to be threatening and to reference the way that they've infiltrated us. The "Embrace Change" thing seems to be like "look we're already everywhere. We're your neighbors, your friends, your teachers. You've already lost. Accept it"
The propoganda aspects of it are there too but they're not the most important aspect to me.

Exactly. I know a Skrull propoghanda ad when I see one!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wrong slogan. The Skrulls' is "embrace change."

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I did not know that.

 

[The Question]

This whole question is ridiculous PC hippy crap. They're religious extremists who are trying to conquer earth. Of course they're depicted as the bad guys.
Next you'll go so far as to say you're only allowed to hate people who are exactly the same as you. If they're different you have to let them win because otherwise you're racist.

As for the "Embrace Change" adds. I think they're pretty clever actually. It's clearly supposed to be threatening and to reference the way that they've infiltrated us. The "Embrace Change" thing seems to be like "look we're already everywhere. We're your neighbors, your friends, your teachers. You've already lost. Accept it"
The propoganda aspects of it are there too but they're not the most important aspect to me.

I actually feel that the propaganda aspect is more important, because it gives us a very good insight to how the Skrull's are thinking. They don't hate us. They're not just a bunch of random, power hungry killers who want to take the Earth because they can. Their mentality is more akin to old school British imperialism: Will will elevate the unenlightened masses to our status of excellence, wether they want it or not, because it is our God given right and responsibility. Yes, they want our world because they lost theirs, but they want to conquer us because they feel like they're doing us a favor in the long run. In essence, what we see as evil, they see as tough love. And I honestly think that's way ****ing scarier than a bunch of mindless, one dimensional killing machines.

 

[Terraneaux]

The point is, the skrulls have to justify it to themselves too. Tony Stark doesn't; he can sleep at night after having killed an entire alien species because they're different. That's why the skrulls are ****ed.

 

[Vanguard07]

"get em they're different"

 

[masteryoda]

When did tony kill an entire species?

and why am I still posting in this thread?

 

[fifthfiend]

I actually feel that the propaganda aspect is more important, because it gives us a very good insight to how the Skrull's are thinking. They don't hate us. They're not just a bunch of random, power hungry killers who want to take the Earth because they can. Their mentality is more akin to old school British imperialism: Will will elevate the unenlightened masses to our status of excellence, wether they want it or not, because it is our God given right and responsibility. Yes, they want our world because they lost theirs, but they want to conquer us because they feel like they're doing us a favor in the long run. In essence, what we see as evil, they see as tough love. And I honestly think that's way ****ing scarier than a bunch of mindless, one dimensional killing machines.

Bendis should throw in a line somewhere about how the skrulls think it's okay to kill however many humans they need to, because our pitiful savage minds are simply incapable of caring whether we ourselves live or die.

I mean I'm not making this up, the British actually used to say **** like that about the people they conquered.

 

[Aristotle]

This is the most patently absurd idea I've seen since I heard a drunk movie exec pitch an idea for "Kid Madman" to another exec at a party. (Thankfully, the other exec was like, "That would be really interesting if you weren't completely ****ing stupid.")

I mean, so much of the subtext for Secret Invasion is to subvert white Eurocentric ideas of Manifest Destiny. It's very obviously (and I think even explicitly stated to be) a reversal of roles for the people that just invaded Iraq--us. In the Iraq conflict, our racism is pretty obvious. Now we get to see what racism would look like if it was us on the receiving end. That's one of Secret Invasion's strong points (and I'm sure if I thought hard about it, I could come up with some other ones, too.)

The "Embrace Change" campaign is a little disconcerting to me, only because it seems to cast the entire idea of progress as sinister, which is a tried-and-true status-quo-preservation technique. But what are you gonna do? At some point a guy needs to shut the **** up and read a comic book.

Bottom line, there's far too much real **** to complain about in Secret Invasion to be making up this kind of crap.

 

[Aristotle]

And I honestly think that's way ****ing scarier than a bunch of mindless, one dimensional killing machines.

You know? I don't. A multi-dimensional opponent, you can reason with. I mean, Magneto and Doom have even been kinda good guys before. Emma Frost is a bona fide good guy (until the Brand New X-Day team gets done with her, at least).

One-dimensional killing machines? They don't never stop. And that, my friend, is scary.

 

[Aristotle]

Bendis should throw in a line somewhere about how the skrulls think it's okay to kill however many humans they need to, because our pitiful savage minds are simply incapable of caring whether we ourselves live or die.

I mean I'm not making this up, the British actually used to say **** like that about the people they conquered.

Um...so did the USA.

 

[Blader5489]

This is the most patently absurd idea I've seen since I heard a drunk movie exec pitch an idea for "Kid Madman" to another exec at a party. (Thankfully, the other exec was like, "That would be really interesting if you weren't completely ****ing stupid.")

I mean, so much of the subtext for Secret Invasion is to subvert white Eurocentric ideas of Manifest Destiny. It's very obviously (and I think even explicitly stated to be) a reversal of roles for the people that just invaded Iraq--us. In the Iraq conflict, our racism is pretty obvious. Now we get to see what racism would look like if it was us on the receiving end. That's one of Secret Invasion's strong points (and I'm sure if I thought hard about it, I could come up with some other ones, too.)

The "Embrace Change" campaign is a little disconcerting to me, only because it seems to cast the entire idea of progress as sinister, which is a tried-and-true status-quo-preservation technique. But what are you gonna do? At some point a guy needs to shut the **** up and read a comic book.

Bottom line, there's far too much real **** to complain about in Secret Invasion to be making up this kind of crap.

Yes, I think you should follow that advice.

 

[Aristotle]

Yes, I think you should follow that advice.

Aw, look at 'im! He wants to grow up to be someone who makes actual arguments and coherent points!

That's cute, kid.

 

[Aristotle]

The allegory/comparison between a fictional alien INVASION scenario about an outside species that wants to wipe out HUMANITY (and not just poor, defenseless white Republican conservatives) is amazing. It's really gotten me thinking about the current state of the world we live in in reality where certain races of human apparently also want to wipe all of humanity off the face of the earth.

To prove how far we've come as a society, regarding previous social ills, I would be excited for the opportunity to vote for a Skrull to be President, based simply on the fact that he's a Skrull. Just to show how progressive I am! I Embrace Change.

Oh cool, the Hype has a Klan member!

 

[Blader5489]

Aw, look at 'im! He wants to grow up to be someone who makes actual arguments and coherent points!

That's cute, kid.

Actual arguments and coherent points about a ****ing comic book?

Personally, I like to save my pseudo-intellectual rantings for **** that actually matters. That's kind of why I became a journalist--so I can have a outlet for my social and political frustrations, but apply to them something that's actually relevant. Not, you know...a comic book.

 

[Anubis]

Nothing matters dude. You might as well argue about a comicbook.

 

[Aristotle]

Actual arguments and coherent points about a ****ing comic book?

You hang out on a comic-book discussion forum...even though you claim to dislike discussion of comic books? You're either masochistic, or you're yet another self-loathing comic book fan, trying to pretend that comics don't matter to you, even as you keep on reading them.

Personally, I like to save my pseudo-intellectual rantings for **** that actually matters. That's kind of why I became a journalist--so I can have a outlet for my social and political frustrations, but apply to them something that's actually relevant. Not, you know...a comic book.

You know, if you're trying to seem important and relevant, bragging about being a member of a politico-whipped Fourth Branch of the Government power-elite-mouthpiece isn't the way to do it.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I smell fraud. And I oughta know.

 

[Anubis]

What's it smell like? I figure, a milk fart.