Is Superman getting the shaft in "Justice League"? - Part 2

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For me, personally, I just don't really care about the promotions vs the actual product. It's just posters and trailers. They'll still make Superman collectibles associated with the film, I'm sure. I don't remember the promotions for a particular Game Of Thrones season, but I imagine those probably left out a particular fan favorite character whose circumstances were similar to Supes' in between seasons

It's important to me because it's really a part of the journey, which I feel is important, that's leading into the premiere of this film...which is the first time that we will see this characters on the big screen as a team.

Plus, it just feels wrong to promote a JL movie without Superman, regardless of the fact that he is currently dead. I hate the fact that this has been promoted as a league that only Batman and Wonder Woman had active roles in creating.
 
And yet somehow Superman comics have continued to sell for decades. One problem is that most writers/film makers only look to Donner's version, and don't really consult the comics. Donner's version - as fast as the Flash and as strong or weak as the plot requires - is hard to write. However, the fact that many stories have done it I think proves it's not as hard as some writers initially suppose.

From an action standpoint, Superman is somewhat challenging, but so are all flying, super-strong characters. In that regard I do think adapting anime fighting convention was a good move on Snyder's part. We'd do well to keep in mind that most of the credible criticisms of this Superman have not focused on the action, but on the characterization. And in that regard, Superman is not hard to write.

I've long believed that the challenge in writing good Superman stories isn't that he's too powerful or too perfect, but that he doesnt have enough around him to make for interesting stories. I think it's useful to compare Superman with Batman. Yes, Batman is a darker character, and therefore inherently a bigger draw, but Wonder Woman and MCU films prove that lighter characters can also draw a crowd. Superman has also been just as complex a character as Batman (as BvS tried to show), and so that isn't it either. No, I think what makes the difference is the richness of Batman's environment, the complexity of Batman's opposition (both personal and thematic), and the prevalence of multiple supporting heroes, villains and civilians that together embody the complexity of human experience.

Broadly speaking, Superman lacks this comprehensive development, and it's not because he's harder to write. No, the issue is that Superman is too often pulled in two different directions: one that wants to keep him as simplistic as he was pre-Byrne, and the other that wants to make him more complex by entirely deconstructing him. There's a third pressure from Hollywood that wants to keep Superman as a sort of modern-day, secular Jesus in New York.

Superman needs a better utilized supporting cast, a richer environment, and more complex villains who both directly challenge Superman's values (he needs a more specific purpose) and speak to the human condition. Get all of those elements, plus good action, without losing the essence and persona of Superman, and I think you'd have better quality and better received Superman films.

Edit: Just to give a few examples, some of which have been mentioned here, this is where utilizing the Daily Planet more (and Clark Kent) and allies could really help. Yes, Batman has gadgets and tactics. But as you note, he's also a detective, and has an important detective ally. Clark is an investigative reporter, not too dissimilar from a detective. Use that more integrally in a story, rather than having Clark serve as a commercial break or the Daily Planet as mere awestruck or imperiled observers. Superman has also had many allies; use them to make up for all those tactics Batman uses. And perhaps give Superman an organization and "idea" to challenge him, something that not only requires more people to beat, but also something that needs to be overcome by more than just brute force. Superman can be more than just his fists, it just requires someone willing to actually do something more with the character.

You bring up an excellent point. I think the major thing that's been missing in a lot of Superman interpretations is the reporter aspect, and there's been numerous films about investigating reporting that are excellent references that could be used as a base for a modern Superman movie. You're 100% correct there's been so much emphasis on his fists that everyone seems to forget he's also an investigator too. Even the Reeves film don't really go into any real journalism, the only thing you need to do is translate that into a superhero world, instead of investigating financial crime or mafia bosses he's potentially investigating trails that lead to individuals, governments or corporations that are a threat against all of Metropolis or even Earth.
 
You bring up an excellent point. I think the major thing that's been missing in a lot of Superman interpretations is the reporter aspect, and there's been numerous films about investigating reporting that are excellent references that could be used as a base for a modern Superman movie. You're 100% correct there's been so much emphasis on his fists that everyone seems to forget he's also an investigator too. Even the Reeves film don't really go into any real journalism, the only thing you need to do is translate that into a superhero world, instead of investigating financial crime or mafia bosses he's potentially investigating trails that lead to individuals, governments or corporations that are a threat against all of Metropolis or even Earth.

Using Clark as an investigative reporter is something I wanted to see more of. I thought that could have been a great angle to introduce Darkseid, especially through his dealings with Intergang.
 
Using Clark as an investigative reporter is something I wanted to see more of. I thought that could have been a great angle to introduce Darkseid, especially through his dealings with Intergang.

That would have been brilliant and right in line with STAS.
 
Using Clark as an investigative reporter is something I wanted to see more of. I thought that could have been a great angle to introduce Darkseid, especially through his dealings with Intergang.

Agreed. I wish we had gotten to see more of Reporter Clark as well. I really appreciated the scenes of Clark investigating Batman in the UE of BvS, along with his scene at Lex's party where he was "interviewing" Bruce.

I still can't believe that we're like 7 Superman movies in and we have yet to really see a Director take full advantage of his civilian occupation.
 
The last time that the character of Superman had a film that was both critically and financially successful was back in the 80's. Ever since then, filmmakers and studios have failed to get him right on both fronts.

If the DCEU Superman had been as successful as Snyder and company had hoped for, I guarantee you that Superman would have been placed at the forefront of everything that is the DCEU. Just look at how prominent Wonder Woman is being featured in JL's marketing as a result of her solo film's success.
I can't agree more.
Back when BvS was still being promoted, there were like several videos of people asking who they would prefer over Batman and Superman...and of course most people said Batman. The Dark Knight has been viewed as the more popular one over the man of steel for a few decades, hence why he has been prominently featured in the media in several different ways.
I have yet to see an scenario where a large group of people actually prefer the DCEU version of Superman over any hero period. Anyone that I've seen showing love for Henry's Superman are pretty much in a minority group.
Here again, I agree with you. But the sad thingis thatI like HenryCavill as Superman,I think he does an excellent job. Or at least in Man of Steel, because he was more proeminently featured.
 
It's important to me because it's really a part of the journey, which I feel is important, that's leading into the premiere of this film...which is the first time that we will see this characters on the big screen as a team.

Plus, it just feels wrong to promote a JL movie without Superman, regardless of the fact that he is currently dead. I hate the fact that this has been promoted as a league that only Batman and Wonder Woman had active roles in creating.

batman & wonderwoman (ben & gal) are the 1st lead male and female in JL. no matter how you feel about it, they will have the most screen time.

just be prepared and don't complain again after watching it.
 
I can't agree more.

Here again, I agree with you. But the sad thingis thatI like HenryCavill as Superman,I think he does an excellent job. Or at least in Man of Steel, because he was more proeminently featured.

Honestly, I think there are SEVERAL obstacles in front of the DCEU take on Superman that prevents the character from reaching higher heights. Some of those obstacles may be nearly impossible to overcome.

1. The character needs to find a Director/Writer who has a clear vision that can breathe new life into the character and hopefully tell a story that won't get fans overtly divided or give the character's skeptics more ammunition to use against him.

2. Even IF you find a Director that fits all of that criteria, the earliest that they could possibly release another Superman solo film would be in probably 2020 or 2021. Who knows if Henry and most of his supporting cast would be willing or available to return to their respective roles by that point?

3. Batman. As a result of Warner Bros's (and the DCEU creative team) having a obvious favoritism for Batman, what are the chances that Superman will be portrayed as a equal to him on film?

I mean it's pretty much been established that every entry that Superman and Batman have shared the same screen with in the DCEU never results in good things for Superman's character.

Superman was humiliated by Batman in their first cinematic fight. Superman died at the end of BvS. Batman was given more of a meaty role when it comes to character development and had A LOT more to say dialogue wise. By the end of BvS, Batman was positioned to become the leader of the JL that would lead the DCEU into a new age of heroism.

Now with JL coming, we already know that Superman never had a chance to get involved with the recruitment process because Snyder wanted Batman to do that on his own. With Superman being dead for most of the movie, his screen time and usage will be very limited as well.

So yeah, those are actual FACTS that prove that Superman can't ever be featured prominently in a film that has Batman.
 
STAS didn't do the bottled city, but superman unbound did as did LOSH cartoon.
I thought the Asgard part of Thor II was the best part of the movie and so did alot of others but if you didn't like it then that's ok. Different strokes and all.
Superman vs the Elite had terrible animation I agree but I really liked the story and if you think it's just a superman vs 'some sort of x-men' then all I can say is that you missed the point of the story so I suggest you pick up Action #775 and have a good read.



You seem to have a problem with looking at things from the extremes! Just because I (and ALOT of fans) want a charismatic, optimistic, intelligent superman doesn't mean Superman has to be turned into some infallible god aka a 2D character, just like wanting a '3D' superman doesn't mean that character has to mope for almost the entirety of 2 long movies! balance (there is that word again) is key here and it can be done when superman is placed in the hands of a capable story teller who appreciates the nuances of the character and there are plenty of capable directors who want to take a crack at the character so I'm hopeful.

indeed. balance is the key. i thought BvS is quite balance... perhaps 40/60 kinda balance.
1st hour - superman did thing his way. and he thought he didn't have to explain because he was doing good things, people would understand.
the next 1/2 hour - seeing things happening around, he thought perhaps he should explain himself.
the next 1/2 hour - he thought his help had made things worst... perhaps he shouldn't help... he had his doubt
the last 1/2 hour - he found his answer and he returned without a doubt. he sacrifice himself in the end.

not balance enough???

and what's more, the stories of him with the people around him (lois, martha, Perry and Lex) are the best on screen among all the superman movies we have.

and talk about going to the extreme, didn't you just do it to make BvS look bad to prove your point? the movie isn't we all know it. it just isn't your cup of tea. that's it.
 
Honestly, I think there are SEVERAL obstacles in front of the DCEU take on Superman that prevents the character from reaching higher heights. Some of those obstacles may be nearly impossible to overcome.

I don't see how any of these are obstacles.

1. The character needs to find a Director/Writer who has a clear vision that can breathe new life into the character and hopefully tell a story that won't get fans overtly divided or give the character's skeptics more ammunition to use against him.

This is quite possible to accomplish; although it can be difficult to please everyone.

2. Even IF you find a Director that fits all of that criteria, the earliest that they could possibly release another Superman solo film would be in probably 2020 or 2021. Who knows if Henry and most of his supporting cast would be willing or available to return to their respective roles by that point?

I don't see why the actors wouldn't want to do it. They all seem to love the characters they play, and availability is something that can easily be negotiated. Cavill, especially, doesn't exactly have huge demands on his time. MCU actors seem to have made it work for nearly a decade, so I don't see this being a problem.

3. Batman. As a result of Warner Bros's (and the DCEU creative team) having a obvious favoritism for Batman, what are the chances that Superman will be portrayed as a equal to him on film?

I mean it's pretty much been established that every entry that Superman and Batman have shared the same screen with in the DCEU never results in good things for Superman's character.

Superman was humiliated by Batman in their first cinematic fight. Superman died at the end of BvS. Batman was given more of a meaty role when it comes to character development and had A LOT more to say dialogue wise. By the end of BvS, Batman was positioned to become the leader of the JL that would lead the DCEU into a new age of heroism.

Superman was not humiliated, and he most certainly had a character arc. Batman was humiliated, and his fans felt it and some disliked it, and the narrative supports that reading. He was as far gone from his ideal characterization as could be, and that was purposeful. He literally had to be inspired by Superman in order to stop the behavior that was portrayed as shameful, and to make a promise to himself and to Superman's memory to not fail him again. Was that the kind of arc and development you would have wanted for Superman? To be off the rails then inspired by Batman? Is it all about quantity and victories no matter what, instead of quality? It's absurd to suggest that somehow Peter who denied Christ three times and ultimately help to establish the Christian church after Christ's death was less humiliated and more important than Christ himself.

The Justice League narrative is already clearly leaning hard on the idea that the team is insufficient and incomplete without Superman. When James Gordon asked if this was the team, Batman says they're "not enough." Superman is even leading them in death, which is the purpose behind Bruce sharing with the team how Superman draws out the best in people. We also know that Superman and Batman will discuss leadership, so it won't be a given that Batman is the leader, and it's possible the message will be that the Justice League doesn't need a leader or a king of some kind; they're all equals.

Now with JL coming, we already know that Superman never had a chance to get involved with the recruitment process because Snyder wanted Batman to do that on his own. With Superman being dead for most of the movie, his screen time and usage will be very limited as well.

This is not a given. Yes, he won't be physically recruiting people, but one of the reasons those people might ultimately be amenable to Bruce's request is because Superman paved the way for superheroes and metahumans to have a role in the world. In fact, the first recruit, and in your eyes the most important one, was Batman himself. Who inspired and recruited him? Superman.

So yeah, those are actual FACTS that prove that Superman can't ever be featured prominently in a film that has Batman.

I saw no facts. Just opinions and assumptions.
 
I still can't believe that we're like 7 Superman movies in and we have yet to really see a Director take full advantage of his civilian occupation.

Well, at least Snyder and the DCEU has been the superior film in this regard compared to all the others. He at least characterized Clark Kent as more than just a disguise, and established not only how Clark is passionate about the job -- its ideals and responsibilities -- but also showed him doing serious work on his own initiative.
 
Honestly, I think there are SEVERAL obstacles in front of the DCEU take on Superman that prevents the character from reaching higher heights. Some of those obstacles may be nearly impossible to overcome.

1. The character needs to find a Director/Writer who has a clear vision that can breathe new life into the character and hopefully tell a story that won't get fans overtly divided or give the character's skeptics more ammunition to use against him.

2. Even IF you find a Director that fits all of that criteria, the earliest that they could possibly release another Superman solo film would be in probably 2020 or 2021. Who knows if Henry and most of his supporting cast would be willing or available to return to their respective roles by that point?

3. Batman. As a result of Warner Bros's (and the DCEU creative team) having a obvious favoritism for Batman, what are the chances that Superman will be portrayed as a equal to him on film?

I mean it's pretty much been established that every entry that Superman and Batman have shared the same screen with in the DCEU never results in good things for Superman's character.

Superman was humiliated by Batman in their first cinematic fight. Superman died at the end of BvS. Batman was given more of a meaty role when it comes to character development and had A LOT more to say dialogue wise. By the end of BvS, Batman was positioned to become the leader of the JL that would lead the DCEU into a new age of heroism.

Now with JL coming, we already know that Superman never had a chance to get involved with the recruitment process because Snyder wanted Batman to do that on his own. With Superman being dead for most of the movie, his screen time and usage will be very limited as well.

So yeah, those are actual FACTS that prove that Superman can't ever be featured prominently in a film that has Batman.

I hate to say it but I feel like WB may just end up abandoning Superman or end up treating him like Hulk where he only appears in team up movies.
 
Hulk only shows up in team up movies because of issues with Universal Studios.
 
I hate to say it but I feel like WB may just end up abandoning Superman or end up treating him like Hulk where he only appears in team up movies.

If the WB ends up abandoning Superman for film, they may as well give him over to the Supergirl series.
 
I don't see how any of these are obstacles.

This is quite possible to accomplish; although it can be difficult to please everyone.

True, not everyone can be please. However, it says something when the character has not been able to find both critical and financial success in the last 30 years. I can't think of any major superhero who has not found both critical and financial success in the last 10 years.

I mean in the last 10+ years, we've already gone through two directors (Singer and Snyder) who have managed to create more skeptics/critics than advocates for their interpretation of Superman and couldn't present their respective versions without introducing something controversial.

Is it that hard to find a Director who is passionate for the character and can present a version that won't be deemed controversial and set fans apart over it?

Superman was not humiliated, and he most certainly had a character arc. Batman was humiliated, and his fans felt it and some disliked it, and the narrative supports that reading. He was as far gone from his ideal characterization as could be, and that was purposeful. He literally had to be inspired by Superman in order to stop the behavior that was portrayed as shameful, and to make a promise to himself and to Superman's memory to not fail him again. Was that the kind of arc and development you would have wanted for Superman? To be off the rails then inspired by Batman? Is it all about quantity and victories no matter what, instead of quality? It's absurd to suggest that somehow Peter who denied Christ three times and ultimately help to establish the Christian church after Christ's death was less humiliated and more important than Christ himself.

If Superman's arc was of one where he learned to trust in humanity, then I think Snyder/Terrio didn't do a good job in conveying that since Superman didn't feel like an actual character in the film at times. He came off as more of a plot point in his own film, where every other major character reacted off of his existence.

And I'm not saying that I wanted to see Superman go through a redemption arc like Batman did. But I firmly believe that Batman's arc was the main narrative point of the film and overshadowed whatever arc Superman had as a character. Imho, BvS was about portraying a version of Batman that had lost his way and only found purpose again through Superman's selfless act that led him to start and form the Justice League.

Unlike the comparisons to Christ and his disciples, Christ actually instructed his disciples to instill his teachings towards everyone in the world. He gave out that great commission. Superman did no such thing with Batman. Heck, Batman being inspired by Superman was unintentional on Superman's part.

Also, the fight between Superman and Batman was poorly staged imho. As soon as Superman got hit by the Kryptonite gas, he was completely helpless. Batman became "Bat-God" in that fight, where he pretty much dominated it as soon as kryptonite gas was introduced. I think I liked it better on how they portrayed their fight in "The Dark Knight Returns: Part 2" animated film where even though superman had entered the fight weakened by a nuclear explosion, he at least held his own before he ultimately lost.

The Justice League narrative is already clearly leaning hard on the idea that the team is insufficient and incomplete without Superman. When James Gordon asked if this was the team, Batman says they're "not enough." Superman is even leading them in death, which is the purpose behind Bruce sharing with the team how Superman draws out the best in people. We also know that Superman and Batman will discuss leadership, so it won't be a given that Batman is the leader, and it's possible the message will be that the Justice League doesn't need a leader or a king of some kind; they're all equals.

For a so called team that is "incomplete" without superman, Warner Bros seems to have no problem promoting the film with a incomplete roster. I can't recall of any ensemble film where a major character of the group was missing from all of the promotional material and marketing.

Batman seems to be Superman's only real advocate in the group, hence why he's the only one that we've heard talking about him to the group. Now I think it's possible that Barry might be a fan of Superman's as well, but beyond that, we have no reason to believe that anyone else in the group really gives a damn. And BvS was so vague on how Wonder Woman felt about Superman that their connection to each other feels nonexistent.

Also, let's keep in mind that we went from Snyder saying that Superman was the chairman of the Justice League and how there can be no league without him to now seeing a JL film that is not only promoted without him, but where Batman is the one giving the inspirational speeches to the group, motivating/encouraging Barry, and is the one that is leading and backing them up as well.

This is not a given. Yes, he won't be physically recruiting people, but one of the reasons those people might ultimately be amenable to Bruce's request is because Superman paved the way for superheroes and metahumans to have a role in the world. In fact, the first recruit, and in your eyes the most important one, was Batman himself. Who inspired and recruited him? Superman.

I won't deny that Superman didn't play a hand towards making it a easier path for superheroes to come out in the open..though once again, it was not intentional on his part. A lot of this so called hope and inspiration that we've seen from Superman seem to be all unintended results that came about after his death. Superman had no idea that other meta-humans existed and was never concerned with making a better world for them to step away from the darkness.

And again, Superman never really recruited Batman. The latter was only inspired because of Superman's death and Superman never meant to inspire Batman in the first place.
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If the WB ends up abandoning Superman for film, they may as well give him over to the Supergirl series.

I'd rather just have them cancel Supergirl and have him star in his own show and have her show up in another show (Legends?).
 
Supergirl would blow away Legends and outshine them all.

If they can find a way for Superman to have his own show, I will bet you he would dethrone the Flash and become the CW's top-rated show.

The fight between Superman and Batman in BvS was mostly one-sided. Superman was not at his best whereas Batman was. I was expecting better.
 
The fight between Superman and Batman in BvS was mostly one-sided. Superman was not at his best whereas Batman was. I was expecting better.

Superman was not at his best because he was holding back. He literally said, "If I wanted it, you would be dead already." Superman's mercy held him back, and that's why Batman was able to take advantage and hit him with the kryptonite. Superman should hold back. Superman shouldn't be demeaned as a character by attacking Batman with all of his power just to please fans' perverse need to win a pitiful dick measuring contest. I expect better from Superman fans.
 
You bring up an excellent point. I think the major thing that's been missing in a lot of Superman interpretations is the reporter aspect, and there's been numerous films about investigating reporting that are excellent references that could be used as a base for a modern Superman movie. You're 100% correct there's been so much emphasis on his fists that everyone seems to forget he's also an investigator too. Even the Reeves film don't really go into any real journalism, the only thing you need to do is translate that into a superhero world, instead of investigating financial crime or mafia bosses he's potentially investigating trails that lead to individuals, governments or corporations that are a threat against all of Metropolis or even Earth.

Yeah, usually it's Lois that gets more of the investigative storylines, kinda like Clark is just somebody who reports on events, like the football game, or some big event in town. Theres a lot more to explore there.
 
Batman seems to be Superman's only real advocate in the group, hence why he's the only one that we've heard talking about him to the group. Now I think it's possible that Barry might be a fan of Superman's as well, but beyond that, we have no reason to believe that anyone else in the group really gives a damn



But, you're going off a couple quick trailers where hardly anybody gets any dialogue. And aside from that one statement by Batman, the trailer doesn't really require any more to be said on that subject


Though I admit, it would be cool to have a trailer more focused on the World Without Superman aspect
 
Superman was not at his best because he was holding back. He literally said, "If I wanted it, you would be dead already." Superman's mercy held him back, and that's why Batman was able to take advantage and hit him with the kryptonite. Superman should hold back. Superman shouldn't be demeaned as a character by attacking Batman with all of his power just to please fans' perverse need to win a pitiful dick measuring contest. I expect better from Superman fans.

Do you really think that Superman fans wanting the character to hold his own against Batman is really a case about the proverbial dick measuring shtick?

The problem with this fight was that they designed in a way where Superman never put in any effort either before or after the introduction of kryptonite. Thus, you can't even call this a real fight....which is odd because of the fact that the film is supposed to be called "Batman V Superman".

No one asked for Superman to fight Batman with the intent to kill. But I really doubt that what the film presented is the best that they could have offered for what they were trying to go for in their fight.

Heck, Iron Man and Captain America didn't go into their fight to kill each other (with the exception of what Iron Man wanted to do to Bukcy) but they still had a good fight.
 
Do you really think that Superman fans wanting the character to hold his own against Batman is really a case about the proverbial dick measuring shtick?

The problem with this fight was that they designed in a way where Superman never put in any effort either before or after the introduction of kryptonite. Thus, you can't even call this a real fight....which is odd because of the fact that the film is supposed to be called "Batman V Superman".

No one asked for Superman to fight Batman with the intent to kill. But I really doubt that what the film presented is the best that they could have offered for what they were trying to go for in their fight.

Heck, Iron Man and Captain America didn't go into their fight to kill each other (with the exception of what Iron Man wanted to do to Bukcy) but they still had a good fight.

This is how I look at it. You're mad because, to you, and to use a analogy, Batman is a child and Superman is an adult. If Superman loses to a child, that's embarrassing; he's more powerful than that. But think of it the other way. How awful is it if Superman, who has the power of an adult, were to beat up a child, even a threatening one? Batman was allowed to get the upper hand in that fight because of Superman's mercy, and that is something that not only helped to save and inspire Batman to reform and build the JL, but should also be celebrated instead of criticized because of reasons of pride and vanity.
 
Yeah, usually it's Lois that gets more of the investigative storylines, kinda like Clark is just somebody who reports on events, like the football game, or some big event in town. Theres a lot more to explore there.

When you look at the history of the character Lois is generally the one doing the heavy lifting when it comes to journalism, with Clark having more of a supporting role in her investigations. I think perhaps the easiest solution is to give that role to Clark because it means Superman has to use his brains not just his strength. The question is what to do with Lois. Can you have both her and Clark be the aces reporters at the Daily Planet? I think the answer to that is no, if they are both fighting over similar stories at the same workplace then a positive relationship probably isn't going to develop between the two and that still needs to remain.

So what do we do with her? This might be a radical idea but I think we should consider the option of taking Lois out of the Daily Planet and having her become an independent online journalist. If we want a modern Superman we have to look at how modern media is evolving. Newspapers like the Daily Planet are becoming a thing of the past and there's a steady rise of independent news outlets online in the form of blogs and video content. So I think we have to look at adapting to how news is being distributed today.

How does it remain a positive relationship? You build up to it. You have them cross paths chasing the same story, build a tenacious rivalry between them, have them be forced to work together and solve the issue, and finish with them becoming friends. You end it with Lois cheekily beating Clark to release the story and playfully bragging to him about. This sows the seeds for future romance. Just an idea.
 
When you look at the history of the character Lois is generally the one doing the heavy lifting when it comes to journalism, with Clark having more of a supporting role in her investigations. I think perhaps the easiest solution is to give that role to Clark because it means Superman has to use his brains not just his strength. The question is what to do with Lois. Can you have both her and Clark be the aces reporters at the Daily Planet? I think the answer to that is no, if they are both fighting over similar stories at the same workplace then a positive relationship probably isn't going to develop between the two and that still needs to remain.

So what do we do with her? This might be a radical idea but I think we should consider the option of taking Lois out of the Daily Planet and having her become an independent online journalist. If we want a modern Superman we have to look at how modern media is evolving. Newspapers like the Daily Planet are becoming a thing of the past and there's a steady rise of independent news outlets online in the form of blogs and video content. So I think we have to look at adapting to how news is being distributed today.

How does it remain a positive relationship? You build up to it. You have them cross paths chasing the same story, build a tenacious rivalry between them, have them be forced to work together and solve the issue, and finish with them becoming friends. You end it with Lois cheekily beating Clark to release the story and playfully bragging to him about. This sows the seeds for future romance. Just an idea.

They tried basically that with the New 52, and it failed. Even there it at least made more sense for Clark to be more independent at a blog due to his hero demands. Still, believe it or not, there's room for both. They thrive on the competition and it makes them love each other more. L&C did it well; both of them worked on stories and were shown as capable individually and together.
 
Superman was not at his best because he was holding back. He literally said, "If I wanted it, you would be dead already." Superman's mercy held him back, and that's why Batman was able to take advantage and hit him with the kryptonite. Superman should hold back. Superman shouldn't be demeaned as a character by attacking Batman with all of his power just to please fans' perverse need to win a pitiful dick measuring contest. I expect better from Superman fans.

I know you're not thinking that.

I wasn't asking for Superman to be one sided either, but I was expecting a back and forth balance between them.

Superman fans are very passionate about Superman. He's the most iconic character we have.
 
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