Is the over reliance on humour a problem in the MCU

[MadVillainy]

I do think the MCU does have a problem with the humor. I think every movie save for past The Avengers doesn't know when to tell a joke or when to be serious

I think you look at Winter Soldier or even Iron Man 1 or even non MCU films like the Mission Impossible series or the new Star Trek movies and you have these fun, funny movies that also know that there is a time to be serious.

I dont get why in some MCU movies they feel the need to overly rely on humor.
I know saying something negative about Civil War is going to get people in a tissy but the whole excuse of "Oh the airplane fight wasn't to the death so it's fine." is a cop out to me. The airport battle was the equivalent of friends pulling knives and guns on each other I wouldve hoped it wouldve been taken more seriously. In fact, I don't even see why it wouldnt be taken seriously.
Not even just with the humor, but other than Rhodey and a few scratches everyone left unscathed in terms of injuries...come on that's child's play. Iron Man involved a minor in the fight and it's kinda just brushed off. You would think given past events in the MCU that some of the characters wouldve had something to say. It's especially jarring with Civil War to me because Civil War has these all the way left dark moments and then these really light moment damn near in the same beat. I got mood whiplash.
And then at the end Cap sent Stark a letter basically "Well that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand. But we're still cool"


Not even just Civil War. But Ant-Man, which for the most part I was fine with the tone they had that heart to heart with Hank and Janet. But then they undercut it with Scott/Rudd interrupting for comedy. I don't get why.
Or right after Quicksilver died you had the "Oh for Pete's sake" moment with Ultron and Hulk in AoU.

And Im not saying every MCU movie should be TDKT/Singer's X-Men level of serious. I'm not even saying they all need to be Winter Soldier level of serious. Im just saying they need to figure out when to be funny and when not to be. And while you know the hero won't die at least give some weight to the proceedings.

But I mean I guess if it aint broke don't fix it. I think other than TIH and maybe Cap 1, the MCU have all be financial successes. Generally critics like them. Generally fans like them. I like them; I think at the worst the MCU has only made "below average" movies. So honestly they don't have a reason to change them.

I feel when it comes to superhero movies studios and fans aren't going for any middle ground. If you want a fun movie you have to go over with the humor; if you want a serious movie you have to be grim. I dont know why it's become this way. In the past you have movies that have been able to maintain a very good balance. I dont get why that's changed

Can you not read?

No need to be rude man. Chill. It's just movies.

 

[TeeKay]

I disagree with the airport fight. We needed that levity since the first half of the film was so serious and four. It needed to balance things out. Really no one was trying to hurt each other save for Bucky and Black Panther. Stark and Co. We're trying to subdue Cap peacefully before Ross sent in his own squad. It was really Ant-Man and Spidey who brought 98% of the humour.

 

[MadVillainy]

Again you can have humor/levity without the whole thing being the epitome of "it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt". In the finale of TWS there was levity but the whole climax wasn't a joke like in TDW

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"Thank you"
"It's not me you should be thanking"
"I'm not thanking that"

Is a good moment of levity before Brock's bomb went off.

 

[MadVillainy]

Great scene of levity from Falcon at the end of this scene

 

[Abudefduf]

I don't know, I guess I just had different expectations for the airport battle and that's why the banter didn't really bother me; I actually even enjoyed it for the most part. Plus, as I already said somewhere else, I intensely dislike superhero vs superhero fights so I'm glad they didn't take it too seriously.

I never understood how Ultron got Stark's personality.

Because the original Ultron program was based on Tony's brain pattern, or something like that. To be fair the movie does give us a good explanation for it, but that obviously doesn't mean we have to be fine with it. Personally speaking I think it was a mistake, but I digress.

Meh.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't know, I guess I just had different expectations for the airport battle and that's why the banter didn't really bother me; I actually even enjoyed it for the most part. Plus, as I already said somewhere else, I intensely dislike superhero vs superhero fights so I'm glad they didn't take it too seriously.

Because the original Ultron program was based on Tony's brain pattern, or something like that. To be fair the movie does give us a good explanation for it, but that obviously doesn't mean we have to be fine with it. Personally speaking I think it was a mistake, but I digress.

Meh.

Yeah that's where I'm at with it too. It makes sense but I think the movie wouldve been better if they went another way with it. And I like AoU a lot I think it gets a lot of flak it doesn't deserve

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I know saying something negative about Civil War is going to get people in a tissy but the whole excuse of "Oh the airplane fight wasn't to the death so it's fine." is a cop out to me. The airport battle was the equivalent of friends pulling knives and guns on each other I wouldve hoped it wouldve been taken more seriously. In fact, I don't even see why it wouldnt be taken seriously.
Not even just with the humor, but other than Rhodey and a few scratches everyone left unscathed in terms of injuries...come on that's child's play. Iron Man involved a minor in the fight and it's kinda just brushed off. You would think given past events in the MCU that some of the characters wouldve had something to say. It's especially jarring with Civil War to me because Civil War has these all the way left dark moments and then these really light moment damn near in the same beat. I got mood whiplash.
And then at the end Cap sent Stark a letter basically "Well that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand. But we're still cool"

Count me in the disagree with your analysis of the airport scene. For point of reference, Tony wanted to kill Bucky in the final battle, not in any of the battles leading up to that. Quite the contrary, Tony/Rhodey/Nat/Spidey/Vision went into the airport battle looking to subdue and apprehend, not to kill/maim/otherwise permanently damage. And they had conviction in this.
At the same time, Cap was on a mission. He knew he had to save the world from Zemo's presumed plan and would not let anything stand in his way. But Cap wouldn't kill/maim/otherwise permanently damage innocents or good people. And he has the same level conviction in that. Bucky/Wanda/Scott/Sam/Clint were following Cap in those convictions.
T'challa was the only one who went into that battle looking for blood. And he was appropriately serious the entire time.

Think of it this way. Your best friend's mother gets sick and the only way he can save her is to rob a bank. You are the only one who can stop him. Do you go into that fight ready to kill/maim/otherwise permanently damage him?

I'm sorry, but no matter how much i felt i needed to punch out my brother/best friend/family member, I can't imagine a single possible scenario where I'd go in "pulling knives and guns" on each other as you put. But pulling a gun on Iron Man is the equivalent of giving your little brother noogies. When was the last time one of these people was hurt by a knife?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

(obviously none of that last post was really the point of the thread)

but speaking to the humor... I feel like each of these characters has already proved themselves time again as the type to laugh in the face of pain/anguish/terror/battle. Or to use humor as a defense mechanism. Every single one and for various types of scenarios.

Cap - Preserum, he makes jokes with Bucky to mask his insecurities about being small. He makes jokes talking to Peggy to mask his insecurity with women. He makes jokes to hide his fear before taking the serum. He makes jokes during battle like "I've knocked out Hitler 200 times."
Iron Man - Self-explanatory. Jokes to Peggy to mask romantic feelings, jokes to Rhodey to mask feelings of brotherhood/mild comic homophobia, jokes to mask his feelings about his father, jokes in battle against Stane/Vanko/Killian, jokes afterward, jokes while dying from palladium, jokes after pepper died, jokes after broke up with pepper
Black Widow- jokes after losing SHIELD, jokes about getting shot in the stomach, tiny sheepish jokes about the red room/being sterile, jokes about her feelings about bruce.
Spidey - makes jokes to mask the fear of battle at the very least.
Hulk/Thor - jokes DURING the midst of battle punching thor/screaming at frost giants.

The point is, what has any of these characters done to convince you they aren't the type of people who make light of serious situations. Stories don't always have to have characters that take serious things seriously. What you're talking about is a drama or tragedy. These are comics.

With most of the avengers, it depends on how confident they feel about the trouble they have gotten themselves in. Because all of them have also shown they are capable of losing their cool when they feel powerless. Tony when he witnessed the chitauri army, Thor vs infinity stones, etc. They know when they've met their match. But for now The Avengers don't feel they can be beat. So nothing scares them. It speaks to their over confidence.

 

[BH/HHH]

No need to be rude man. Chill. It's just movies.

When I'm having to repeat myself it's warranted

 

[MadVillainy]

When I'm having to repeat myself it's warranted

No not really. It's just movies no need to get worked up

 

[BH/HHH]

No not really. It's just movies no need to get worked up

I wasn't even getting worked up he replied to something I'd already answered. Don't really know why you're even getting involved.

 

[TeeKay]

(obviously none of that last post was really the point of the thread)

but speaking to the humor... I feel like each of these characters has already proved themselves time again as the type to laugh in the face of pain/anguish/terror/battle. Or to use humor as a defense mechanism. Every single one and for various types of scenarios.

Cap - Preserum, he makes jokes with Bucky to mask his insecurities about being small. He makes jokes talking to Peggy to mask his insecurity with women. He makes jokes to hide his fear before taking the serum. He makes jokes during battle like "I've knocked out Hitler 200 times."
Iron Man - Self-explanatory. Jokes to Peggy to mask romantic feelings, jokes to Rhodey to mask feelings of brotherhood/mild comic homophobia, jokes to mask his feelings about his father, jokes in battle against Stane/Vanko/Killian, jokes afterward, jokes while dying from palladium, jokes after pepper died, jokes after broke up with pepper
Black Widow- jokes after losing SHIELD, jokes about getting shot in the stomach, tiny sheepish jokes about the red room/being sterile, jokes about her feelings about bruce.
Spidey - makes jokes to mask the fear of battle at the very least.
Hulk/Thor - jokes DURING the midst of battle punching thor/screaming at frost giants.

The point is, what has any of these characters done to convince you they aren't the type of people who make light of serious situations. Stories don't always have to have characters that take serious things seriously. What you're talking about is a drama or tragedy. These are comics.

With most of the avengers, it depends on how confident they feel about the trouble they have gotten themselves in. Because all of them have also shown they are capable of losing their cool when they feel powerless. Tony when he witnessed the chitauri army, Thor vs infinity stones, etc. They know when they've met their match. But for now The Avengers don't feel they can be beat. So nothing scares them. It speaks to their over confidence.

The Avengers were OP in AoU. Sure it was in line with one of the themes but they're were pretty an Unstoppable force especially in the opening scene.

Guard: "The Avengers are here!"
Baron von Strucker: "Can we hold them?"
Guard: "They're the Avengers

And Strucker surrenders lol.

 

[MadVillainy]

(obviously none of that last post was really the point of the thread)

but speaking to the humor... I feel like each of these characters has already proved themselves time again as the type to laugh in the face of pain/anguish/terror/battle. Or to use humor as a defense mechanism. Every single one and for various types of scenarios.

Cap - Preserum, he makes jokes with Bucky to mask his insecurities about being small. He makes jokes talking to Peggy to mask his insecurity with women. He makes jokes to hide his fear before taking the serum. He makes jokes during battle like "I've knocked out Hitler 200 times."
Iron Man - Self-explanatory. Jokes to Peggy to mask romantic feelings, jokes to Rhodey to mask feelings of brotherhood/mild comic homophobia, jokes to mask his feelings about his father, jokes in battle against Stane/Vanko/Killian, jokes afterward, jokes while dying from palladium, jokes after pepper died, jokes after broke up with pepper
Black Widow- jokes after losing SHIELD, jokes about getting shot in the stomach, tiny sheepish jokes about the red room/being sterile, jokes about her feelings about bruce.
Spidey - makes jokes to mask the fear of battle at the very least.
Hulk/Thor - jokes DURING the midst of battle punching thor/screaming at frost giants.

The point is, what has any of these characters done to convince you they aren't the type of people who make light of serious situations. Stories don't always have to have characters that take serious things seriously. What you're talking about is a drama or tragedy. These are comics.

With most of the avengers, it depends on how confident they feel about the trouble they have gotten themselves in. Because all of them have also shown they are capable of losing their cool when they feel powerless. Tony when he witnessed the chitauri army, Thor vs infinity stones, etc. They know when they've met their match. But for now The Avengers don't feel they can be beat. So nothing scares them. It speaks to their over confidence.

I never said that the characters are the type to make light in serious situations. Nowhere in my post did I say that.
I'm fine with humor there's just a way to balance it in serious situations. As I said not everything needs to be serious but stuff like the airport scene is an event that should have more serious moments in it. I dont think it wouldve made the moment any worse with that. In fact I think a lot of people wouldve liked it better than they already do. The final battles in Avengers 1 & 2 had a lot of jokes and levity, but they balanced it out way better. I love that scene of:
"We're all clear"
Cap: "We're not clear! WE'RE NOT CLEAR"
And if I remember correctly that moment came after the Hawkeye/Witch scene. Something like that is better to me than it seeming like most of the actors are being paid by the joke/light moment

But I even had them pulling their punches in the airport scene so theres that. I dont like the idea of heroes fighting but having them be like "We're still friends still, right" is just a joke to me. And I know someone is gonna say "oh they're friends yadayada" but I still don't buy that excuse.

 

[MadVillainy]

I wasn't even getting worked up he replied to something I'd already answered. Don't really know why you're even getting involved.

Cuz i dont want anyone to ruin the flow of the convo by being salty

But ok

 

[Mjölnir]

Kind of a weirdly phrased question. It's basically "is too much of something a problem?".

Personally I don't think there's an over reliance on it since the MCU has many very good emotional moments, and if that can be had then you get a more dynamic film together with humor. That doesn't mean that every joke works, but that goes for everything.

 

[C. Lee]

For some reason the other thread was deleted instead of moved to the correct place but I thought it was a good subject.

For some reason? The guy put a thread called Why Can't Marvel Get It Right With the Humor? in a DC forum and all the replies were Marvel bashing flames. And you wonder why it was deleted instead of moved so that a war would insue?

 

[Bats123]

Meh, besides Thor 2 and AOU, i dont really have a problem with the rest of the humor, and sure not everything is a 10/10 great joke, but even the most serious movies have moments of levity in them, still, even the worst comedic moments arent as bad as the awkward, cringe-inducing humor in the DCEU.

 

[BH/HHH]

For some reason? The guy put a thread called Why Can't Marvel Get It Right With the Humor? in a DC forum and all the replies were Marvel bashing flames. And you wonder why it was deleted instead of moved so that a war would insue?

It's no more an opionated a title as 'Why can't DC Get It Right?' now is it? So why is that thread alright where the other was deleted?

It wasn't all Marvel bashing whatsoever, I even posted pretty much exactly what I did in my first post in here about times I thought they got it wrong. Actually now I think why can't people bash what they don't like about Marvel but it's ok for them to do that in the DC topics about DC films?

 

[Bats123]

It's no more an opionated a title as 'Why can't DC Get It Right?' now is it? So why is that thread alright where the other was deleted?

It wasn't all Marvel bashing whatsoever, I even posted pretty much exactly what I did in my first post in here about times I thought they got it wrong.

except the problem with that logic buddy is that thread is in the DC FILMS section, so obviously you would put the Marvel related thread in the MARVEL FILMS section, dont you think fam?

 

[First Avenger]

It's no more an opionated a title as 'Why can't DC Get It Right?' now is it? So why is that thread alright where the other was deleted?

It wasn't all Marvel bashing whatsoever, I even posted pretty much exactly what I did in my first post in here about times I thought they got it wrong.

So if someone starts a DC bashing thread in the marvel section it wouldn't be a problem?

 

[BH/HHH]

except the problem with that logic buddy is that thread is in the DC FILMS section, so obviously you would put the Marvel related thread in the MARVEL FILMS section, dont you think fam?

So if someone starts a DC bashing thread in the marvel section it wouldn't be a problem?

Here comes the cavalry...

Actually my point was why it couldn't have been moved, Manhunter even said several posts down that he's put it in the wrong section. He admitted to his error but instead of been moved it was deleted. That's all I was trying to say.

 

[C. Lee]

Attention everyone.......There is NO excuse for calling people names. If you can't post civilly then don't post at all.

 

[Victarion]

Not necessarily. Its how you cope, and the Marvel heroes have a lot of coping to do. There's something to be said about tastes in humor. Where Marvel's concerned - I really got some laughs out of the Mandarin reveal. It might be that you're just not up with the type of humor some of these movies use.

Deadpool is a Marvel character, but I don't think his movie falls into the MCU (yet; who knows what the future holds). The "where's Francis?!" stuff was funny. It masked something incredibly dark, though - Deadpool's systematic execution of his enemies.

These are a couple of instances where Marvel knocked it out of the park, for me, where humor's concerned. Because these appealed to my tastes in humor.

 

[C. Lee]

Here comes the cavalry...

I've seen you post this several times lately. If you don't want people to be antagonistic in their replies....don't be antagonistic in your posting.

Actually my point was why it couldn't have been moved, Manhunter even said several posts down that he's put it in the wrong section. He admitted to his error but instead of been moved it was deleted. That's all I was trying to say.

My point was.....if someone is going to go to through the process of creating a thread.....put it in the right place to begin with.