Is there too much division in America?

[Nitehawk013]

What do you mean by "tolerance" though, Marx? Do you want tolerance, or do you want acceptance? Because, to be honest, the feeling I get from the left is that they want people like me on the right to accept their actions/choices/beliefs when they speak of tolerance--they don't want me to merely tolerate them.

For instance, I believe that people should be married before having sex. My religious beliefs lead me to believe that engaging in sex outside of marriage is sinful. Now, given that there are a lot of people having extramarital sex and wanting to do so, what do I do? I tolerate it. I don't go around beating up people or demanding that we pass laws to criminalize it. I don't go around treating them like second-class citizens. But, I don't change my mind and go along with extramarital sex as OK just because someone wants me to. I have higher principles to answer to.

If people want to call me "intolerant" simply for disagreeing with how they live their lives, then they'll just have to do that. But, what they're really wanting is for me to accept those actions/choices/beliefs, and I'm not going to do that. Tolerance, but not acceptance.

This is hitting the nail right on the head. Only the whacko folks like Phelps are pushing for laws desciminating and outlawing sin like homosexuality.

The vast majority of us on the right don't give a hoot what you do to yourself or your partner in private. Personally, I'd prefer to not know about it. Keep it in the bedroom. And the same goes for straight couples. Show some class and modesty and keep your private life private.

We already do tolerate mountains of constant assaults on our beliefs every single day. The left and it's militant arm, the Anti Christian Lawyers Union (American Communist Lawyers Union is good too), don't want tolerance. They want to force the majority of the country to accept and even show favoritism to the minority groups. 70+ % of the country is Christian...but you can't have the 10 commandments anywhere except private grounds. You can't find Christmas items in many places (it has to be "holiday" items). You aren't allowed to have nearly anything Christian based in schools. Oh...but for the Muslims...footbaths going in everywhere form schools to airports to private businesses b/c the ACLU threatens to sue if you don't. Oh for the gays...they'll sue if you tell them to keep their perversion at home in the bedroom where it belongs.

Tolerance is a spruced up code word for descrimination against anything Christian or conservative. Just like Liberal is just a modern spruced up code word for Communist.

 

[Goddessreicho]

This is hitting the nail right on the head. Only the whacko folks like Phelps are pushing for laws desciminating and outlawing sin like homosexuality.

The vast majority of us on the right don't give a hoot what you do to yourself or your partner in private. Personally, I'd prefer to not know about it. Keep it in the bedroom. And the same goes for straight couples. Show some class and modesty and keep your private life private.

We already do tolerate mountains of constant assaults on our beliefs every single day. The left and it's militant arm, the Anti Christian Lawyers Union (American Communist Lawyers Union is good too), don't want tolerance. They want to force the majority of the country to accept and even show favoritism to the minority groups. 70+ % of the country is Christian...but you can't have the 10 commandments anywhere except private grounds. You can't find Christmas items in many places (it has to be "holiday" items). You aren't allowed to have nearly anything Christian based in schools. Oh...but for the Muslims...footbaths going in everywhere form schools to airports to private businesses b/c the ACLU threatens to sue if you don't. Oh for the gays...they'll sue if you tell them to keep their perversion at home in the bedroom where it belongs.

Tolerance is a spruced up code word for descrimination against anything Christian or conservative. Just like Liberal is just a modern spruced up code word for Communist.

Don't forget, according to the line of thinking, that Country First is the equivalent to Imperial Designs; Christian Fundamentalism is a euphemism for Religious Fascism, and conservative culture is the reason why Gov. Palin will be a grandmother at 44.

(What's that? You don't like that line of broad ignorant general thinking. Awww...)

BTW, the Right-Centered Supreme Court took prayers out of school and will continue to do it every time this comes in to play because prayer in PUBLIC school its literally UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Ya'll might want to read the whole Constitution sometime.

 

[SuBe]

Don't forget, according to the line of thinking, that Country First is the equivalent to Imperial Designs; Christian Fundamentalism is a euphemism for Religious Fascism, and conservative culture is the reason why Gov. Palin will be a grandmother at 44.

(What's that? You don't like that line of broad ignorant general thinking. Awww...)

BTW, the Right-Centered Supreme Court took prayers out of school and will continue to do it every time this comes in to play because prayer in PUBLIC school its literally UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Ya'll might want to read the whole Constitution sometime.

Where is it Unconstitutional for a Student to Pray? It's not, it's Unconstitutional for a Government Entity to Endorse a Religion, but is a Student using their free time to Express their 1st Amendment Rights Unconstitutional?

 

[Nitehawk013]

Sure. It was so unconstitutional that it was the norm for near 200 years until some "atheist" crybabies balled their eyes out and used an activist court to force their ideology on everyone whether they had any problem with prayer or not.

 

[Goddessreicho]

I have to go to class, so here's my brief response. I'm actually going to quote hard-core right fundamentalist whiny fart Pat "Slaves had it much better here" Buchanan about that Supreme Court decision

6-20-2000

“The Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to ban student-led prayer before sporting events is an escalation in the contemptible assault on the religious and moral foundations of American life. In the last few months, judicial elites have ruled that the Ohio state seal, which stated ‘With God All Things are Possible’ is unconstitutional, and that in Cleveland vouchers may not be used for religious schools. Now, the High Court has ruled, in plain violation of the will of the state, that a student-led invocation before a football game violates the Constitution..."

See the rest of his tears here

On another note, take note how he complains about the "liberalness" of Chief Justice Rehnquist. How biasness, how you make things funny.

 

[kedrell]

Too much? I'd say there ain't enough division. Then maybe we'd have more than 2 viable political parties(neither of which I can completely endorse).

 

[Schlosser85]

We already do tolerate mountains of constant assaults on our beliefs every single day. The left and it's militant arm, the Anti Christian Lawyers Union (American Communist Lawyers Union is good too), don't want tolerance. They want to force the majority of the country to accept and even show favoritism to the minority groups. 70+ % of the country is Christian...but you can't have the 10 commandments anywhere except private grounds. You can't find Christmas items in many places (it has to be "holiday" items). You aren't allowed to have nearly anything Christian based in schools. Oh...but for the Muslims...footbaths going in everywhere form schools to airports to private businesses b/c the ACLU threatens to sue if you don't. Oh for the gays...they'll sue if you tell them to keep their perversion at home in the bedroom where it belongs.

People like you would be complaining to high heaven if there was a Muslim crescent displayed in a public building. Christianity is not the only religion in America and is not the law of the land. You want freedom of religion, well the door swings both ways. Freedom for you, and freedom of others from you. And if you expect me to keep my "perversion" at home, try keeping your ignorance at home while you're at it. It's as distasteful to me as my sexuality surely is to you.

Tolerance is a spruced up code word for descrimination against anything Christian or conservative.

Well, I don't think wanting equal rights for myself as a law-abiding American citizen or thinking all faiths should have equal rights and representation is a form of discrimination against Christianity. Christianity has never been the sole religion or law in America.

Just like Liberal is just a modern spruced up code word for Communist.

That's like saying "conservative" is a modern spruced up code word for Fascist or Nazi. It's a stupid exaggerated generalization.

We didn't start the cultural war, rather it was declared on us by the "Christian" conservatives who feel we are a lower breed of American, and cry "discrimination" when the law doesn't let them oppress other people who don't live the way they think they should...but we're going to win it if it takes another hundred years, which at the rate we're going, it won't.

 

[Matt]

I don't believe so. Having differing opinions is "division." It is good and healthy for this country. Group-think isn't good. Sure, there are radicals on both sides, but its not like we are in the midst of a civil war.

 

[Nivek]

Too many "stupid" (by personal definition) people, definitely. Division, oh yeah. Alot of it is people believing one thing, and others being too pig headed to just move on and leave them alone with their "stupid" (by personal definition) opinion.

Brick meet wall.

 

[The Senator]

This is hitting the nail right on the head. Only the whacko folks like Phelps are pushing for laws desciminating and outlawing sin like homosexuality.

The vast majority of us on the right don't give a hoot what you do to yourself or your partner in private. Personally, I'd prefer to not know about it. Keep it in the bedroom. And the same goes for straight couples. Show some class and modesty and keep your private life private.

We already do tolerate mountains of constant assaults on our beliefs every single day. The left and it's militant arm, the Anti Christian Lawyers Union (American Communist Lawyers Union is good too), don't want tolerance. They want to force the majority of the country to accept and even show favoritism to the minority groups. 70+ % of the country is Christian...but you can't have the 10 commandments anywhere except private grounds. You can't find Christmas items in many places (it has to be "holiday" items). You aren't allowed to have nearly anything Christian based in schools. Oh...but for the Muslims...footbaths going in everywhere form schools to airports to private businesses b/c the ACLU threatens to sue if you don't. Oh for the gays...they'll sue if you tell them to keep their perversion at home in the bedroom where it belongs.

Tolerance is a spruced up code word for descrimination against anything Christian or conservative. Just like Liberal is just a modern spruced up code word for Communist.

It is interesting, however, that 46 senators in 2005 voted for the Defense of Marriage Amendment. That included at least one Democrat. Rick Santorum, Tom Coburn, James Inhofe... those three men were/ are in pretty high positions of power, and they have said that homosexuality doesn't represent God's law and therefore should not be accepted at the national level... so while you may be right that only the extremists want to outlaw homosexuality, the fact of the matter is, many of those extremists are currently serving in our government...

 

[The Senator]

Sure. It was so unconstitutional that it was the norm for near 200 years until some "atheist" crybabies balled their eyes out and used an activist court to force their ideology on everyone whether they had any problem with prayer or not.

Prayer in school is a downright awful idea. Once again, that is an example of religious zealots forcing their beliefs on students which may not be of a religious nature, or may not belong to faith which requires prayer. Even a "moment of silence" borders on the absurd. School is a place where children should LEARN about facts; not worship some magical, supernatural presence which we aren't sure exists.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Some of these kooks even get elected to the highest office in country.

“No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”

George Bush

 

[Nitehawk013]

George is a pretty smart man. Thats all that quote proves.

 

[The Senator]

George is a pretty smart man. Thats all that quote proves.

And this is the type of thinking which proves there is a divide in this country. A divide solely rooted in ignorance and contempt for those who are different.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Wow. You call homosexuals perverse and atheists non citizens.


Any other hate you want to spew while you're on a roll?

 

[Schlosser85]

A lot of people need to try reading their Bibles for once, because it gives no support to the judgment they arrogantly cast down on homosexuals, atheists, and religious people of different faiths than their own. In fact, it commands you not to judge.

 

[The Senator]

A lot of people need to try reading their Bibles for once, because it gives no support to the judgment they arrogantly cast down on homosexuals, atheists, and religious people of different faiths than their own. In fact, it commands you not to judge.

Many Christians don't actually read the Bible. Instead, they get their information from people such as Pat Robertson or Joel Osteen, because its easier to turn on a television and listen to men who warp the message of Christianity to fit their own pompous agendas, rather than open up a Bible and actually read it.

I'm not a Christian, but I bet I've read the Bible more than many self-proclaimed "evangelicals" out there.

 

[The Senator]

Sigh... I read his comments about homosexuality and Muslims... not worth the effort.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Well, Ive read it through about 5 times. Focussed on reading just specific books many more times. Was working on my Bachelors in Biblical Studies. All in all I have been studying, not reading, for 14 years.

As far as "judgment" I'll go out on a limb and guess you mean Matt.7:1. "judge not, lest ye be judged" right? Read the rest of the context. Then read in the Epistles. The theme isn't "never judge anyone, never point out sinful behavior". The theme is you better be willing to be judged by the same measure you judge others. In which case, I am willing.

I judge people and life via the Bible. I therefore welcome my own judgment according to the Bible.

 

[Addendum]

George is a pretty smart man. Thats all that quote proves.

We must have different definitions of the word "smart".

 

[The Senator]

Well, Ive read it through about 5 times. Focussed on reading just specific books many more times. Was working on my Bachelors in Biblical Studies. All in all I have been studying, not reading, for 14 years.

As far as "judgment" I'll go out on a limb and guess you mean Matt.7:1. "judge not, lest ye be judged" right? Read the rest of the context. Then read in the Epistles. The theme isn't "never judge anyone, never point out sinful behavior". The theme is you better be willing to be judged by the same measure you judge others. In which case, I am willing.

I judge people and life via the Bible. I therefore welcome my own judgment according to the Bible.

I guess that means some of us can judge you by the Quran, then, considering you want to judge us by a book we don't subscribe to?

 

[Franklin Richards]

I like to judge people according to the Constitution.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Thats fine by me. You can judge me by the Lowes catalog for all I care. When we get to the end of life we'll find out just who was right and just who is in a whole world of trouble to come.

 

[Franklin Richards]

When I get to the end of life I'm sure I won't care. I'll be dead. Worms. Rotting. The whole 9.

Although come to think of it, I'd rather have a Jedi funeral.

 

[Schlosser85]

You can judge me by the Lowes catalog for all I care. When we get to the end of life we'll find out just who was right and just who is in a whole world of trouble to come.

lol, ok. I'm not worried about it.