Iron Man Is this a plot hole or am I missing something?

[tmeader]

Okay, first off, saw it last night and thought it was great. Right up there with the original Spider-man and Batman Begins as far as quality of "origin" films. Very entertaining.

That said, about an hour after the movie, my girlfriend (who also liked it) actually brought up a pretty good point that I just completely missed while watching the film.

Why did the people who captured Tony in the desert want him to build a Jericho missile since they clearly already had access to them due to their backdoor dealings with Stane? I realize that they delayed killing him (as was their original assignment) after they saw who exactly it was that Stane had hired them to assassinate. Was the missile building thing just to "give him something to do" while waiting for Stane's reply about their demands for more money? Or was it just to get a single free missle out of the deal (even though later on they clearly have more than 3 Jericho's in the armament area where Iron Man destroys the tank.

Any thoughts, or am I overlooking something obvious? The story was very well done otherwise, so I was a bit surprised at this glaring hole once she pointed it out... heh.

Thanks.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Yeah. When they captured him they didn't have a jericho. Later on, after he escapes, Stane sends them the missiles.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

they probably were just after some freebies...

i didn't notice they actually had more jerichos afterwards

jerichos should have been used more in teh film i believe

 

[tmeader]

Okay, but why would he send them the missiles after Stark escaped? If their original payment was to be in weapons, obviously the Jericho wasn't included since they were having Tony build one. So, after he escaped, and they failed Stane... why would he then send them the Jericho's? I'm finding it hard to make sense of this scenario in any way.

It certainly doesn't ruin the film for me, I was just surprised that such a hole existed when everything else was so well done.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I think it has something to do with the fact Stane might not have been happy with them botching up Tony's assassination. As Stane would you reward those people with the Jericho missiles after they made even higher than agreed upon demands for finding out the target was more than they bargained for? Perhaps Stane stopped shipments to them for awhile to send them a message. Remember when they were attacking innocent civilians in Afghanistan they did use a Jericho so maybe Stane and that little terrorist unit patched things up after some negotiations.

 

[MagicPrime]

Okay, but why would he send them the missiles after Stark escaped? If their original payment was to be in weapons, obviously the Jericho wasn't included since they were having Tony build one. So, after he escaped, and they failed Stane... why would he then send them the Jericho's? I'm finding it hard to make sense of this scenario in any way.

It certainly doesn't ruin the film for me, I was just surprised that such a hole existed when everything else was so well done.

To further his own agenda. If Stark had built them Jerichos they would have killed Stark, use them, and then Stane would kill them. Stark escaped so he had to skip a step and just send them the missiles, then kill them.

 

[tmeader]

To further his own agenda. If Stark had built them Jerichos they would have killed Stark, use them, and then Stane would kill them. Stark escaped so he had to skip a step and just send them the missiles, then kill them.

But why give them the missiles at all if you just planned on killing them? I don't think Stane had originally ever planned on killing them to begin with, he only assassinated them all later on because they were aware of the Mark I armor and were also trying to extort money from him for the plans for it.

If he had planned on killing them all along, what was the point of shipping them missiles in the first place?

If they were customers of his (which they seemed to be) why kill them at all?

 

[Excel]

I never got why Stane wanted Tony dead to begin with.

 

[Ironfan72]

Stane wanted Stark dead so he could take control of Stark Industries.

 

[StanLee Wannabe]

1. Originally hired to kill him
2. Decide instead, while we've got him, let's make him craft us a weapon
3. When he escapes, Obediah decides to deal with them so that he can get close enough to kill them.

That about right?

 

[I Am The Knight]

I never got why Stane wanted Tony dead to begin with.

Someone was too busy looking at the pretty pictures...

 

[Venom]

Perhaps, due to lack of funding, they wanted a free Jericho missile. Maybe they even intended to keep him alive to keep building weapons for them.

 

[Heretic]

I dont think its totally unreasonable for people to assume that Stane wanted control od Stark Industries back...

and regarding killing the Ten Rings guys...yeah, thats kind of a plot hole...my assumption would be that if they could get Stark to build a missle for them then theyd have the plans on how to make their own instead of buying them...but if they even bought on ethen they could back engineer it. I dont know...or particularly care. The movie was still good.

 

[Varient]

I never got why Stane wanted Tony dead to begin with.

???
Short version: Stane was all about the money. Tony took that away when he came of age.

Long version - you have to read the comic.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

???
Short version: Stane was all about the money. Tony took that away when he came of age.

Long version - you have to read the comic.

Not being a comic book fan, what I thought was that Stane wanted Stark's company after investing so much time running it after the death of Tony's parents. And to do that more easily Tony had to be eliminated.

 

[Nightmare]

Not being a comic book fan???

 

[Sardaukar]

Okay, first off, saw it last night and thought it was great. Right up there with the original Spider-man and Batman Begins as far as quality of "origin" films. Very entertaining.

That said, about an hour after the movie, my girlfriend (who also liked it) actually brought up a pretty good point that I just completely missed while watching the film.

Why did the people who captured Tony in the desert want him to build a Jericho missile since they clearly already had access to them due to their backdoor dealings with Stane? I realize that they delayed killing him (as was their original assignment) after they saw who exactly it was that Stane had hired them to assassinate. Was the missile building thing just to "give him something to do" while waiting for Stane's reply about their demands for more money? Or was it just to get a single free missle out of the deal (even though later on they clearly have more than 3 Jericho's in the armament area where Iron Man destroys the tank.

Any thoughts, or am I overlooking something obvious? The story was very well done otherwise, so I was a bit surprised at this glaring hole once she pointed it out... heh.

Thanks.

I think Stane just wanted Stark dead. He had given the terrorists some weapons. But they wanted the Jericho. Stane wouldn't give them the Jericho (or couldn't), so they had Tony build it. Stane was upset they didn't just kill Tony...that was clearly his priority. Afterwards, when he locked Stark out of the company, Stane did manage to get the Jericho and give it to them?

 

[X Knight]

maybe the terrorists wanted Stark to build them the missile as part of their own agenda. IOW.....once they realized that they had captured Stark and that Stane had "underpaid" them....they figured.....why deal with the middleman (stane) when we now have the source (Stark) to build the missile for them.

So, maybe that was their way to double-cross Stane and get back at him for underpaying. Plus, they would get a free missile and its blueprints out of the process.

oh, and I do think it would be cool if IM incorporated the Jerichos into his weapons arsenal.....maybe like a mini Jericho missile......

 

[tmeader]

maybe the terrorists wanted Stark to build them the missile as part of their own agenda. IOW.....once they realized that they had captured Stark and that Stane had "underpaid" them....they figured.....why deal with the middleman (stane) when we now have the source (Stark) to build the missile for them.

So, maybe that was their way to double-cross Stane and get back at him for underpaying. Plus, they would get a free missile and its blueprints out of the process.

oh, and I do think it would be cool if IM incorporated the Jerichos into his weapons arsenal.....maybe like a mini Jericho missile......

Okay, so why did Stane give them the Jericho after they failed to kill Stark?

 

[Heretic]

That ones easy...the Stark stocks were hurtling towards zero and it was an easy sell for lots of cash.

 

[<borkis>]

That ones easy...the Stark stocks were hurtling towards zero and it was an easy sell for lots of cash.

Yeah, Stane had ulterior motives of his own... he sold the weapons off the market to help keep the company afloat and later used his connection with the 10 rings group to get close enough to betray them and steal the armour plans.

 

[X Knight]

or, perhaps, Stane's selling the Jericho missiles was a way of "appeasing" the terrorists....to make up for "underpaying" them for capturing/killing Stark in the first place.

or, more likely Stane sold the weapons to the terrorists to not only make a quick profit ( and gain connections ), but also to perpetuate the cycle of war. The terrorists would use the new weapons to take over the region. This, in turn, would call for more weapons to be sold to the US government ( to combat the terrorists ), and for Stane to sell more weapons to the terrorists ( to combat the US government/soldiers ).

All the while Stane would profit from the perpetual cycle of war and violence......

 

[Gamma Ra]

I never got why Stane wanted Tony dead to begin with.

It's called...GREED.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Okay, first off, saw it last night and thought it was great. Right up there with the original Spider-man and Batman Begins as far as quality of "origin" films. Very entertaining.

That said, about an hour after the movie, my girlfriend (who also liked it) actually brought up a pretty good point that I just completely missed while watching the film.

Why did the people who captured Tony in the desert want him to build a Jericho missile since they clearly already had access to them due to their backdoor dealings with Stane? I realize that they delayed killing him (as was their original assignment) after they saw who exactly it was that Stane had hired them to assassinate. Was the missile building thing just to "give him something to do" while waiting for Stane's reply about their demands for more money? Or was it just to get a single free missle out of the deal (even though later on they clearly have more than 3 Jericho's in the armament area where Iron Man destroys the tank.

Any thoughts, or am I overlooking something obvious? The story was very well done otherwise, so I was a bit surprised at this glaring hole once she pointed it out... heh.

Thanks.

I look at it as one of the drawbacks, when bad guys do business with worse guys. One guy wants to one up the next guy behind his back. Remember they were paid to kill Tony, not take him hostage. So when they found out that the target was Tony Stark, they decided to benefit from it.

 

[protocida]

Stane hired the Ten Rings to kill Tony, but he expected that they would't know they were killing Tony Stark, because Stane would have to pay more to have the job done.

When Raza and the other found out and Obadiah refused to pay, they decided to use Tony to make the weapons. So, they would have it faster and would't have to pay Stane to get them. And they decided to start with the Jericho missil, the first weapon to incorpora the repulser rays technology.