Apocalypse Is X-men: Apocalypse considered a success sales-wise?

[X-Maniac]

Wtf with some of these replies.

Of course it's a success. It's not a box office failure. Also, it's way more acclaimed then BvS or Suicide Squad. So it's right in the middle of the pack as far as comic films this year beating both WB movies critically.

Compared with this year's other comic book adaptations, it's definitely the runt of the litter. Something is amiss somewhere...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=2016superhero.htm

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Acclaimed? Being better than DC movies doesn't mean much as those are bad movies.It was a big disappointment in crtical,audience and Box Office reception. I was so pumped for it as I loved FC and DoFP.

I also suspect the 178 million budget is not the real one.

Exactly!

That was conveniently lowered from around $223M to $178M once those reviews started coming in. Add with advertising likely to be $100M+ WW and Marvel's percentage, that $540M doesn't turn much of a profit.

Which is a shame because Apocalypses is one of my favorite villains.

 

[GuestStar2004]

tbh there was nothing about apocalypse that looks like it cost 223 mil, the budget for DOFP was 200 mil but that had the OC non contracted negotiated paychecks to add on while Apocalypse didn't have anything that looked like it put the budget up in anyway

 

[DavidHaller]

tbh there was nothing about apocalypse that looks like it cost 223 mil, the budget for DOFP was 200 mil but that had the OC non contracted negotiated paychecks to add on while Apocalypse didn't have anything that looked like it put the budget up in anyway

I agree! It really wasn't comparable budget-wise to the Avengers movies for example. The special effects looked very cheap and so was the cast...where did 220 million go to?

Days of Future Past seemed to have been more expensive than X:A.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I agree! It really wasn't comparable budget-wise to the Avengers movies for example. The special effects looked very cheap and so was the cast...where did 220 million go to?

Days of Future Past seemed to have been more expensive than X:A.

I'd argue the effects were round about the same as DOFP tbh as the quality of effects doesn't always equal the expense since i believe singer said 30% of the budget went on effects for DOFP.

Both DOFP and Apocalypse did alot of green screen back grounds, obviously you had sentinels in dofp and characters that changed forms and stuff but then you had alot more wooshy effects in apocalypse and the quicksilver sequence was much bigger in apocalypse then the DOFP sequence so id argue in terms of cost money just went on different things.

Now whether or not apocalypse had effects issues or not who knows, it sounded like they could have since the effects team were working on jungle book around the same time and might have conflicted with their work on apocalypse

 

[SAUspartan]

Movie was a success. Plain and simple. I didn't do as well as DOFP but it doesn't mean it's not a success. Of course everyone thought it would do better, doesn't mean it's not a success cause it didn't.

 

[kguillou]

Its still got a little bit of extra cash to earn in Japan right?

 

[Sithborg]

Its still got a little bit of extra cash to earn in Japan right?

Extremely little. It wound up being a very, very bad release date. Shin Gojira (Godzilla Resurgence) is a massive hit. Even with the holiday, Apocalypse is opening outside the top 5. It made about $1.5 mil this weekend. Very much in 6th place in a holiday boosted weekend.

 

[Avalanche]

Of course it's a success. It's not a box office failure. Also, it's way more acclaimed then BvS or Suicide Squad. So it's right in the middle of the pack as far as comic films this year beating both WB movies critically.

Rofl.

What an argument.

Beating BvS and Suicide Squad critically as a plus point is a desperate clutch at straws since both were horribly reviewed.

Anyone calling the movie a success is a bit deluded. The box office was mediocre to poor for a superhero blockbuster and critically it was negatively received. There's no guarantee on a sequel because of all this. It can't be considered a success.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There's no guarantee on a sequel because of all this. It can't be considered a success.

Nice assumption right there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tbh the thought that this film would be seen as a failure would make me laugh more then BVS being seeing as failure because it didn't crack the billion mark

 

[Sithborg]

The fact that a sequel hasn't been announced is a sign that Fox may not be as happy as they wanted with the film's performance.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think it means anything in the end as they announced apocalypse before DOFP was even released, but then there were certain people who seemed to believe that fox was using DOFP to find out which cast people wanted to see and then they would use that cast for apocalypse when really they always knew which cast they were using, they didn't announce it straight away but they always knew what they were doing next.

tbh i think the next X-Men movie will be in 2019, il be surprised if its 2018 tbh, esp when they have other films they are trying to make like new mutants and gambit because who knows when new mutants is set? if it set in the 80s they may wanna bridge it between apocalypse in the 80s to the next X-Men movie which is possible if mcavoy is in the movie, they will want to know where it fits in the timeline which will take abit of planning depending on the order the films are released in.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't think it means anything in the end as they announced apocalypse before DOFP was even released, but then there were certain people who seemed to believe that fox was using DOFP to find out which cast people wanted to see and then they would use that cast for apocalypse when really they always knew which cast they were using, they didn't announce it straight away but they always knew what they were doing next.

tbh i think the next X-Men movie will be in 2019, il be surprised if its 2018 tbh, esp when they have other films they are trying to make like new mutants and gambit because who knows when new mutants is set? if it set in the 80s they may wanna bridge it between apocalypse in the 80s to the next X-Men movie which is possible if mcavoy is in the movie, they will want to know where it fits in the timeline which will take abit of planning depending on the order the films are released in.

I am starting to think fox won't be making another X_men film and intend to focus on deadpool sequels,X-FOrce,and New mutants as the X franchise from now on.also gambit if it is ever made.

After wolverine we may only see core X-Men as supporting characters in New Mutants.Mcavoy,and SHipp are rumored to be in that.

 

[psylockolussus]

I found these blockbuster movies quite ridiculous to be honest if your movie is making more than half a billion dollar, is the 8th most successful movie worldwide and it is still considered a financial failure...?!

Top grossing not "most successful". Thats like saying Warcraft is the 10th most successful movie of the year because its the tenth top grossing of the year.

People always confuse those things. Even people already said Apocalypse is the 3nd most successful X-Men movie of all time because its the third X-Men movie to hit the $500 million mark worldwide. And that is just not the case. There are a lot of movies that were made for less than $100 million and got to triple/quadruple their production budget and they didn't have to hit $500 million mark or outgross X-Men: Apocalypse worldwide.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am starting to think fox won't be making another X_men film and intend to focus on deadpool sequels,X-FOrce,and New mutants as the X franchise from now on.also gambit if it is ever made.

I don't see where you would get that impression from tbh.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't see where you would get that impression from tbh.

beyond comments from kinberg which don't really confirm anything especilly since he tried to sound like there would be another FF film lol all talk seems to
be apart from Deadpool II on X_force.X-force doesn't have any release date
yet we hear more talk on that than another X-Men film.

Back in 2011 by october Kinberg was announced as writing the sequel to first class.back in 2013 in fall we learned there would be followup to the wolverine
with Mangold and jackman returning,although jackman for awhile tried to deny it,nothing much on another X-Men film.

with deadpool II and III,X-force trilogy,and new mutants and Gambit if it is ever made that is a lot on fox's schedule.add new mutants sequels if it is a success.

plus fox sounds like they want to turn cable and X-23 into replacements for wolverine.and none of them can easily be used with the apocalypse cast.

 

[GuestStar2004]

beyond comments from kinberg which don't really confirm anything especilly since he tried to sound like there would be another FF film lol all talk seems to
be apart from Deadpool II on X_force.X-force doesn't have any release date
yet we hear more talk on that than another X-Men film.

Back in 2011 by october Kinberg was announced as writing the sequel to first class.back in 2013 in fall we learned there would be followup to the wolverine
with Mangold and jackman returning,although jackman for awhile tried to deny it,nothing much on another X-Men film.

with deadpool II and III,X-force trilogy,and new mutants and Gambit if it is ever made that is a lot on fox's schedule.add new mutants sequels if it is a success.

plus fox sounds like they want to turn cable and X-23 into replacements for wolverine.and none of them can easily be used with the apocalypse cast.

At the end of the day no one knows what FOX are thinking apart from FOX.

There is way to many people speaking for FOX when they say they must be questioning whether to make a sequel or not but people have been speaking for fox for a long time now on all different things about this franchise like whether they will make an OC movie again which they been pretty reluctant to do for 10 years now, or whether they will copy the marvel formula which they don't seem in a big rush to make happen compared to WB, or forcing in certain characters into movies for marketing appeal which many on here have argued fox would do but i have seen very little to back that up at all

As for Deadpool 2,3 and X-FORCE being alot of fox's schedule... yeah its also alot on ryan reynolds schedule, esp if these films take up most of FOX schedule.

Now lets say FOX decides not to make a sequel, i think they will but lets say they don't for a moment, i still think we will see this cast again somehow or somewhere, i think how they left off apocalypse would be abit redundant if they didn't follow that up in someway

 

[X-Maniac]

Many people on the internet believe Deadpool was a success DESPITE Fox, not because of Fox. They hacked the budget to shreds, even during production, so they clearly did not feel it would be any good.

Fox seem to me very 'behind the times' on the film world. They only recently started doing IMAX and 3D, they stopped doing Comic-Con (though the effects of Comic-Con on box office are very dubious).

They need to get with the program...

 

[JEM]

Many people on the internet believe Deadpool was a success DESPITE Fox, not because of Fox. They hacked the budget to shreds, even during production, so they clearly did not feel it would be any good.

Fox seem to me very 'behind the times' on the film world. They only recently started doing IMAX and 3D, they stopped doing Comic-Con (though the effects of Comic-Con on box office are very dubious).

They need to get with the program...

Internet love rewrite history and when they don't like someone, they will never said he can make good things.

Weinstock and his marketing and publicity staff at Fox were given carte blanche from the get-go. They worked closely with the Deadpool team — including Reynolds, first-time feature director Tim Miller and writers Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick — in tossing around various ideas. "We did all of them, and the ones that were great, we used," Weinstock says.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-deadpools-marketing-won-fanboys-865486

Small budget or not, Fox can destroy movie easy, ask Josh Trunk or Aleksander Bach (Hitman 2015).

 

[henzINNIT]

Compared with this year's other comic book adaptations, it's definitely the runt of the litter. Something is amiss somewhere...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=2016superhero.htm

Those numbers are staggering. Who could have guessed that XM:A would trail every single one of those films by a such a comfortable margin. Even Suicide Squad is running away and it's only just come out. I expect Doctor Strange will follow suit as well.

 

[def28]

There's a few factors but I think one of the biggest hits was bad wom and harsh reviews on X-Men had weeks to spread. Bats and SS didn't release their embargo til days before release.

While the quality of Apolcaypse would have hurt the box office one way or the other regardless, I don't doubt for a second that almost 3 weeks of critics and social media bashing it contributed heavily to this underperforming much more. That was nothing but bad press when it really needed a good push.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There's a few factors but I think one of the biggest hits was bad wom and harsh reviews on X-Men had weeks to spread. Bats and SS didn't release their embargo til days before release.

I agree that likely didn't help, i know the reviews along with the wait deflated my excitement abit and i am from UK and we got it a week or something earlier then the US did.

 

[def28]

Oh yeah that's right, I keep forgetting you guys in the UK got it first. I assume that's why they released reviews so early.

But yeah, the doom and gloom swept in quick.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It was released here 10 days after the embargo drop which is still fairly early so it was just over a week of waiting.