It's STILL Real To Me Dammit! The Wrestling Thread

[Dr. Evil]

Matt's been slamming too many tornadoes and dry humping too many seas ( isn't that how the song goes....lol ).................

I read the lyrics online and it's actually "I can slap a tornado, I can dry up a sea" but this version is so much better.

 

[Metallo]

I always thought it was different. When Bret was inducted into the Hall of Fame, he refused to be involved in any storylines. Also when Bret's book came out he bashed Vince in the end and went on to say Shawn Michaels and Triple H ruined wrestling .

Then when Bret came back and said Vince was keeping him away , I thought it was part of their storyline.

Well I never said he wanted to come back and be a storyline character. Just that he wanted to come back and do something. Even after he came back he still had some sore feelings over what happened. He's never denied that. That might be why he ripped Vince in his book. But he's tried to put a lot of that behind him too. I think he may have refused to be in any storylines unless he felt it was the RIGHT storyline. Or his mind just changed over the years. From what I remember he didnt want to be an on screen character like a commissioner at the time. After 2006 he never said he'd refuse to come back period.

Keep in mind it was almost 4 years between his HOF induction and his return to WWE tv. Thats what I mean when I say he wanted to come back for years. I don't think he wanted to come back and be on tv in 2003 but after 2006 I think feelings may have softened. Thats a lot of time to change your mind on certain things.

The timing also worked out for him to come back because the travel would be easier because his girlfriend was going to school in Calgary (I think). Before that I think he was living in Hawaii. Also having family on the roster in 2010 probably helped.

But Bret did other stuff besides the HOF. He participated in the Bret hart dvd. Even even came back and did a taped segment for Mr. McMahon appreciation night. And that was in...2007? He wasn't against coming back to WWE for something bigger between 2006 and 2010. It just had to be the right thing. It just took time to work things out. And as time went on he was probably more open to ideas.

As for the storyline/kayfabe stuff of Vince kepping Bret away I know that but I mean Bret was talking about calling Vince and pitching a few ideas but the timing never worked out at the times. In the interview I'm thinking of he wasn't working or being negative on McMahon. McMahon didn't tell him no just that it had to be the right time.

 

[bullets]

As for the storyline/kayfabe stuff of Vince keeping Bret away I know that but I mean Bret was talking about calling Vince and pitching a few ideas but the timing never worked out at the times. In the interview I'm thinking of he wasn't working or being negative on McMahon. McMahon didn't tell him no just that it had to be the right time.

I'm glad Vince waited until the right time. I wonder if Shawn Michaels retirement affected the decision. It would of been a big missed opportunity had they not interacted.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels burying the hatchet was great TV.

 

[NDX]

I read the lyrics online and it's actually "I can slap a tornado, I can dry up a sea" but this version is so much better.

You know, I always thought is was, "I can slam a tornado, I can dry up a sea bed."

 

[Lantern Venom]

- Matt Hardy had the following to say on TNA's iMPACT ratings from this week on Twitter:

"Hulkster & Jeff brought me in & the ratings keep growin-Coincidence?I think not! FACT! .. Dixie, u can thank ME & Jeff 4 the ratings jump-just saying"

oh yes matt u are clearly tna's savior

Matt's flood-the-internet approach to his career has had the exact opposite effect that he wanted. It has made him seem bitter, desperate, and delusional. However, one thing it has NOT made him is interesting.

The fact is that the biz simply leaves some guys behind. This is often true when tag teams break up. Stevie Ray went through the same thing when Harlem Heat broke up. He was left in Booker T.'s rear view mirror. He did commentary, helped Booker with a few angles, then became a trainer. Unlike Matt, he accepted his fate and dealt with it like a mature person.

 

[Wylie Times]

Matt's flood-the-internet approach to his career has had the exact opposite effect that he wanted. It has made him seem bitter, desperate, and delusional. However, one thing it has NOT made him is interesting.

The fact is that the biz simply leaves some guys behind. This is often true when tag teams break up. Stevie Ray went through the same thing when Harlem Heat broke up. He was left in Booker T.'s rear view mirror. He did commentary, helped Booker with a few angles, then became a trainer. Unlike Matt, he accepted his fate and dealt with it like a mature person.

To be fair though Stevie Ray never had the popularity Matt did as a single star. The V1 gimmick got Matt over pretty well as a heel. I'd say most of everything after that was due more to what happened TO Matt that anything he did to earn that kind of crowd support. With that said he maintained that crowd support for years after the fact.

I think Matt Hardy is a whiney, delusional, ego maniac. Out of the Hardy/E&C group he's easily the worst talker, arguably the worst worker, and clearly the least successful. A lot of his problems in WWE were HIS fault but some of it was because he was being held down. When a guy gets the kind of reactions Matt was getting for YEARS despite how they're jobbed out that guy deserves a bigger push.

 

[Lantern Venom]

To be fair though Stevie Ray never had the popularity Matt did as a single star. The V1 gimmick got Matt over pretty well as a heel. I'd say most of everything after that was due more to what happened TO Matt that anything he did to earn that kind of crowd support. With that said he maintained that crowd support for years after the fact.

I think Matt Hardy is a whiney, delusional, ego maniac. Out of the Hardy/E&C group he's easily the worst talker, arguably the worst worker, and clearly the least successful. A lot of his problems in WWE were HIS fault but some of it was because he was being held down. When a guy gets the kind of reactions Matt was getting for YEARS despite how they're jobbed out that guy deserves a bigger push.

I'd rate them about the same. Stevie Ray held the WCW television belt and headed the NWO B-team (aka Black and White), which put him on the high mid card for a couple of years. That is comparable to Hardy.

I don't think Hardy deserves a bigger push now or in the last 3 years. I think he could have been booked differently just after the breakup to make him more viable in the long term.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I love it, I mean why the hell is King involved in the first place.

It seems to be a way to set up King vs Cole/Riley at Mania but a twist isn't impossible.

All those "ropey" spots came from Morrison being too slow to set up right. Too much posturing, and I would rather seem AmDrag stuck in a MitB match than work with Morrison again. He seems to be developing Shelton Benjamin Syndrome. If he ain't wrestling someone high profile, he doesn't put effort into it, and it showed in that match.

I disagree, I think the roll up spot for starters was Bryan who was out of position, but the real issue was they had 4 minutes to try and squeeze their match in before Sheamus' promo, give them a proper match length at Mania and both will tear it down IMO.

 

[Metallo]

Matt's flood-the-internet approach to his career has had the exact opposite effect that he wanted. It has made him seem bitter, desperate, and delusional. However, one thing it has NOT made him is interesting.

The fact is that the biz simply leaves some guys behind. This is often true when tag teams break up. Stevie Ray went through the same thing when Harlem Heat broke up. He was left in Booker T.'s rear view mirror. He did commentary, helped Booker with a few angles, then became a trainer. Unlike Matt, he accepted his fate and dealt with it like a mature person.

Hardy's brought the dirt sheet misery on himself. The more he puts himself out there online the more he feeds the dirt sheets and gives them ammunition. If he wants them to stop talking about him then maybe he should shut up some and not put so much info out there

I think Stevie Ray was contemplating retirement anyway. He around his mid 30's and wasn't a spring chicken by the time Harlem Heat broke up and he was never as versatile worker as Booker T OR Matt Hardy. Stevie was more the straight up power guy of Harlem heat while Booker had size and agility.

It doesn't help that after WCW stuck Stevie in the NWO where he basically got lost in the shuffle and did the awful NEW Harlem Heat gimmick later. It was far worse than similar "replace one guy team" The New Foundation even without comparisons to the earlier incarnation of either team.

I'd rate them about the same. Stevie Ray held the WCW television belt and headed the NWO B-team (aka Black and White), which put him on the high mid card for a couple of years. That is comparable to Hardy.

I don't think Hardy deserves a bigger push now or in the last 3 years. I think he could have been booked differently just after the breakup to make him more viable in the long term.

Stevie Ray was a one time tv champ as a singles star.

Matt hardy was ECW champion, Euro champ, Hardcore champ, Cruiserweight champ, and US champ as a singles star.

They were both in the midcard but I just don't see how the two are anywhere close to comparable as far as level, status, and success. Stevie Ray really went nowhere in the midcard while Matt enjoyed some success. Matts run also lasted longer.

Hardy never got stuck in a huge group of guys that was below another huge group of guys. just WAAAAY too many faces with the NWO. Stevie may have been the leader of the B team but that really didn't mean anything. They were fodder.

Matts ECW title run was pretty good and his feud with MVP was one of his standouts in recent years. Stevie Ray was a so so big man but Hardy was more talented. Harlem Heat was one heck of a tag team but the Hardy's were on a higher level. More innovative. other teams had already done a lot of the things Harlem Heat had as far as work in the ring. HH was just more successful than most.

The only real comparison I see between Hardy and Stevies is they were both in great tag teams and their brothers went on to greater success than they did. But Hardy accomplished more than Stevie Ray and was given more opportunities to do so. Hardy's push was better than Stevie Rays because he deserved it.

To be fair though Stevie Ray never had the popularity Matt did as a single star. The V1 gimmick got Matt over pretty well as a heel. I'd say most of everything after that was due more to what happened TO Matt that anything he did to earn that kind of crowd support. With that said he maintained that crowd support for years after the fact.

I think Matt Hardy is a whiney, delusional, ego maniac. Out of the Hardy/E&C group he's easily the worst talker, arguably the worst worker, and clearly the least successful. A lot of his problems in WWE were HIS fault but some of it was because he was being held down. When a guy gets the kind of reactions Matt was getting for YEARS despite how they're jobbed out that guy deserves a bigger push.

I think so too. Stevie was never as successful as Hardy. But Hardy was given better stuff to work with even when some of it was crap. Hardy was never as good as he claims but when a guy getting the regular responses he is is jobbing to Drew McIntyre i think he can make a case for being misused. What has Drew earned in WWE?

 

[chapin]

Matt Hardy is annoying

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's a pity to see Matt Hardy going off the rails, seemingly, right now: I was a fan of his back in the day, and felt he was underutilized a lot as a single performer in the WWE.

 

[Wylie Times]

It's seeming more and more like Jeff and Matt will be their generations Scott Hall and X-Pac.

 

[Kaleb]

Spoiler

 

[LOBO3315a]

Scottie2hottie?

 

[Kaleb]

a really good Chris Jerico interview

http://www.fanhouse.com/2011/02/07/...atest-book-undisputed/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

 

[bullets]

When does Chris Jericho's new book come out ?

 

[Team Andino]

When does Chris Jericho's new book come out ?

It'll be available at all bookstores February 16th but chances are you can find them at some stores already, I know Amazon is already selling Jericho's book an has already started delivering it as of last week.

 

[chapin]

So i guess Sting is not coming to WWE after all..

 

[The Sage]

Big Return on RAW Tonight, Bret Hart Quits WWE

Posted by Amish Patel on 02/07/2011
- WWE employee Bret Hart who worked in the live events department issued his resignation from the company today. Many were surprised by his decision to leave and are speculating who else may follow Donna Goldsmith out of the company after WWE reveals its latest financial quarters on Thursday.

- According to the WWE twitter page, Vince McMahon will be returning on RAW tonight.

Partial Credit - pwinsider.com

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/299121260.php

 

[Pink Ranger]

Big Return on RAW Tonight, Bret Hart Quits WWE

Posted by Amish Patel on 02/07/2011
- WWE employee Bret Hart who worked in the live events department issued his resignation from the company today. Many were surprised by his decision to leave and are speculating who else may follow Donna Goldsmith out of the company after WWE reveals its latest financial quarters on Thursday.

- According to the WWE twitter page, Vince McMahon will be returning on RAW tonight.

Partial Credit - pwinsider.com

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/299121260.php

The way that's written, it makes it sound like Bret was just an account executive or something.

 

[Team Andino]

The way that's written, it makes it sound like Bret was just an account executive or something.

It's not the actual wrestler it's a backstage guy who just so happen to be named Bret Hart.

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's not the actual wrestler it's a backstage guy who just so happen to be named Bret Hart.

Really? Didn't know that. Duh for me I guess.

What are the odds, really though. Is there a "Randy Orton" who's in charge of packing T-shirts? Maybe a real "Triple H" who sets up the ring.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Just caught Smackdown. On what grounds did Vickie fire Kelly Kelly? This is getting beyond stupid. Raw's GM is a stale mystery and SD is pretty much being ruled by a dictator

 

[The Sage]

a really good Chris Jerico interview

http://www.fanhouse.com/2011/02/07/...atest-book-undisputed/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

It is really good. Here's a great excerpt:

I think one of the other things that stood out during your second run was you had longer storylines. We saw it with Rey Mysterio. We really saw it with Shawn Michaels. Why do we not see that more in wrestling these days?

Well, it's funny because that Shawn Michaels angle is a classic angle. I think they should have made a DVD with every match, promo, backstage bit, and put it all in one chronological-order disc and let people see this as kind of the handbook of how to have a great angle. It wasn't planned out. It was just a very organic thing. It just happened. Originally, I was supposed to just turn on Shawn when I was the referee in Baltimore in the match with Batista. We were going to go one month and move on from there. It just didn't feel right. We wanted to make it slower and then Shawn came up with that idea where his knee was kind of hurt and then that just kind of blossomed into this whole seven-month angle that was just amazing. And the same with the Mysterio one. That was a good three months.

Spielberg calls it the MacGuffin. What's the MacGuffin of this story? I want to take Mysterio's mask. What's the MacGuffin of this story? I want to retire Shawn Michaels in all these different ways. I tried to do that. I think a lot of the reasons for not having that nowadays is a lot of guys are scared to speak up because they don't have the experience and don't have the creative ability to come up with a long-term storyline and they're just happy to be given what they're given and do what they're told. I'm not like that. I always had different ideas. I think we're moving too fast here or maybe let's try this. The whole Mysterio thing was orchestrated by me. I had to go to Vince and plead my case like a lawyer to a judge. He did not think anyone would care about Rey's mask. He just didn't think it was relevant. And I had to sit down with him in Pittsburgh in his office and talk to him for about a half an hour as to why I thought the mask meant something and I was right. Edge and I had a long storyline that was going to go from when we won the title I believe in June all the way to WrestleMania. So it would have been an eight- or nine-month story but then he got hurt about two weeks in, so we had to redo everything. When you have creative people that can take the load off the guy writing TV every week, it makes it a lot better and more interesting for everybody.


Which guys do you find most interesting right now when it comes to WWE?
Well, I'm pretty good at calling which guys are going to be big. I called it for (Randy) Orton and (John) Cena way, way long ago. I had Cena's first pay-per-view match. I once again called Vince and had to talk him into letting Cena go over on me and then they just kind of put him back to where he was, kind of a glorified jobber status until he started doing the rap thing. I knew Miz was going to be big because he has the gift of gab, he's got the character and his matches have progressed a lot as well. I was a big fan of (Jack) Swagger. I still am. I think they're kind of not doing the most they can with him. Kofi's (Kingston) another one. (Alberto) Del Rio is obviously a natural. I used to work with his dad in Mexico and Japan so that's kind of funny. As soon as I met him, I could see the traits of his father. In my opinion, Dos Caras was always better than Mil (Mascaras), it's just that Mil had the name value. I think those guys are pretty good. (Wade) Barrett I knew was going to be a huge star. Sheamus. Those are kind of the flock of new guys. (CM) Punk is great. Edge always does a great job, especially putting together matches. That's his forte. He's very smart at that. (John) Morrison is another one. He's very exciting. He just need to harness his personality a little more but that comes. All that comes once you start feeling the confidence of the people in the company and the office behind you.