The Amazing Spider-Man J Jonah Jameson in the Reboot

[Thebumwhowalks]

^I think people are just speculating, I don't think they have officially said what kind of timeline they are following in the movie.

 

[©KAW]

But don't worry, we'll make some up.

 

[NinjaCarm]

JJ not being in the film I think is stupid. Jameson's war on Spider-Man's name is a big part of what makes Spider-Man interesting (since people hate him) and I think throwing him out of the film is a mistake.

I disagree. I believe they are doing it a clever way. Focus on quality not quantity. I believe they will focus more on Peter Parker and his journey of his mistake.

Introducing such characters as JJJ and Osborn, will be like a great reward come the sequel, when the origin of Peter Parker is studied more throughly.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Im alittle confused, what is the timeline in this movie? Is it spiderman in his peak with flashbacks to his origins or just a origin entirely?

Tbh, we really don't know. Some user on here stated that it's an origin story, and I think he's a pretty reliable source.

 

[The Slang]

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[The Slang]

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[Ajendo]

So Ben is going to be killed by way of a car-jacking again???

I was hoping he'd be killed in the Parker home this time.

 

[The Slang]

In the original movie they skipped through the showbiz stuff pretty quickly, then after Ben dies they show Spidey establishing his reputation in a montage, before introducing Jameson around the half way mark. I'd like it if the new movie expanded on that time before Jameson. Especially the kind of scenes skipped over in the montage.
Earlier I said that that they could expand on the time before Uncle ben dies, but now I'm thinking you can still have plenty of Jameson-free time after ben dies where Spider-man begins his super-hero career. I was disappointed that the original movie skipped over that so quickly.
It'll seem like much less of a rehash if they don't show Jameson until the sequel. But I do think he's required later.

Was Jameson in Amazing Fantasy #15?
My understanding is that Parker:
*gets his powers *builds his webshooters *works as a wrestler *Appears on some television shows *loses his uncle *Becomes a superhero AND THEN sells photos to jameson. Do I have this out of order?

 

[Ajendo]

So Ben is going to be killed by way of a car-jacking again???

I was hoping he'd be killed in the Parker home this time.

 

[Ajendo]

Maybe Jameson will cameo right at the very end.

 

[Ajendo]

Maybe Jameson will cameo right at the very end.

 

[kedrell]

In the original movie they skipped through the showbiz stuff pretty quickly, then after Ben dies they show Spidey establishing his reputation in a montage, before introducing Jameson around the half way mark. I'd like it if the new movie expanded on that time before Jameson. Especially the kind of scenes skipped over in the montage.
Earlier I said that that they could expand on the time before Uncle ben dies, but now I'm thinking you can still have plenty of Jameson-free time after ben dies where Spider-man begins his super-hero career. I was disappointed that the original movie skipped over that so quickly.
It'll seem like much less of a rehash if they don't show Jameson until the sequel. But I do think he's required later.

Was Jameson in Amazing Fantasy #15?
My understanding is that Parker:
*gets his powers *builds his webshooters *works as a wrestler *Appears on some television shows *loses his uncle *Becomes a superhero AND THEN sells photos to jameson. Do I have this out of order?

I absolutely HATED that in SM1. The 'coming out/revealed to the world' scene for a superhero movie is one of the most important scenes in this genre. To skip over it with a montage is just.....ugh!

IMO, Superman:TM & The Rocketeer probably have the best 'coming out/revealing of the hero to the public' scenes in superhero movies.

 

[El Payaso]

I absolutely HATED that in SM1. The 'coming out/revealed to the world' scene for a superhero movie is one of the most important scenes in this genre. To skip over it with a montage is just.....ugh!

Absiolutely. We got a brief look of his face and BAM. That was it. THE big scene was just that.

 

[kedrell]

Absiolutely. We got a brief look of his face and BAM. That was it. THE big scene was just that.

Yup. And I know Raimi isn't the only guy to shirk this but considering the property he was adapting, it's probably the worst case of it. Hell, I'd put this aspect of Story's FF movie ahead of SM1(even though their public debut was to fix a disaster that THEY caused......accidentally).

But in an origin story/movie this is probably my favorite part of the formula. If they can fix that in the reboot then I'll be smilin'.t:

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

'fixed'? So you guys want every superhero movie to follow the same cookie cutter structure?
He gave us a couple of teaser tastes of Spider-man in full costume helping with smaller crimes. It's not like we were starved of seeing Spidey in full on action, we had just got the big web-swinging scene in the wrestling costume to tide us over, until he gave us the full on Spider-man when the Goblin made his first appearance.
He wanted to save the full on Spider-man appearance until he had him up against another super-powered foe.
They only have a certain amount of money to do Spider-man scenes too, given the nature of his sfx.
I'd rather have the full on Times Square scene, than a half assed debut sequence, and a half assed 1st Goblin fight in TS.

 

[kedrell]

I'd have had it be a disaster of some sort that he helps out with, instead of GG. But aside from that, the revealed to the world scene in a superhero's origin movie is kind of a sacred thing(well, to me at least). It's the first time everything kicks into full gear and is supposed to give the audience that 'whoa!' moment(both the actual audience as well as the on screen audience). To me, you just don't skip over that. It's a big deal.

Now that's not to say that they all have to be exactly alike, but they need to hit the various similar beats. Superman The Movie did it best, The Rocketeer didn't exactly copy STM but it hit all the same notes. I'd say Batman Begins did it pretty good as well but it still did it it's own way.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I'd have had it be a disaster of some sort that he helps out with, instead of GG. But aside from that, the revealed to the world scene in a superhero's origin movie is kind of a sacred thing(well, to me at least). It's the first time everything kicks into full gear and is supposed to give the audience that 'whoa!' moment(both the actual audience as well as the on screen audience). To me, you just don't skip over that. It's a big deal.

But the Times Square scene served that same purpose essentially, of giving us the first big 'whoa' moment.
I mean, with the Superman scene, you have the cool add of seeing the people all reacting to him for the first time, but does that really add *that* much to the scene?
and you could even say that was the case with the TS scene, as people had not gotten a good look at Spider-man in action yet. Up until that point he has been a blur, swinging in and out of the scene, but at TS everyone got to see him in action for a prolonged period in broad daylight, it's essentially the same thing.
The montage was just a teaser, and I get what you're saying, we as sh movie fans were expecting that big reveal to be the next beat, but he was saving it for the Goblin's debut, which was probably chosen due to a mixture of creative choice and budget concerns.

Now that's not to say that they all have to be exactly alike, but they need to hit the various similar beats. Superman The Movie did it best, The Rocketeer didn't exactly copy STM but it hit all the same notes. I'd say Batman Begins did it pretty good as well but it still did it it's own way.

Batman 89 did not hit that beat, neither did the X-Men really, or Hulk, they all had teaser appearances , or short appearances, before we got a full on action sequence with them in full flow, the structure changes, thankfully.

I do get what you mean, I was expecting Spider-Man1 to hit all the same beats as Superman the movie when i went to see it, but I'm glad it didn't now. I was also expecting Batman89 to hit the same beats, but it's good that was different too, so we now have two v different Batman debut movies when it comes to structure.

edit: although, that is one thing I would have liked to have seen in a Batman movie, not strictly speaking a 'public debut', but just showing a typical Batman patrol one night, with him going from crime to crime like in TDKR, BB was closest to this, but still a little short, and in B89, all we got was one v short scene paying tribute to his first appearance in DC27.

 

[cin0]

I absolutely HATED that in SM1. The 'coming out/revealed to the world' scene for a superhero movie is one of the most important scenes in this genre. To skip over it with a montage is just.....ugh!

IMO, Superman:TM & The Rocketeer probably have the best 'coming out/revealing of the hero to the public' scenes in superhero movies.

I had no problem with it. I didn't think it was that big a deal.

 

[Mike]

This film has nothing to do with the raimi films. how do you explain gwen stacey? Doc Connors turning into the lizard? Captain Stacey possibly getting killed?

 

[NinjaCarm]

In the original movie they skipped through the showbiz stuff pretty quickly, then after Ben dies they show Spidey establishing his reputation in a montage, before introducing Jameson around the half way mark. I'd like it if the new movie expanded on that time before Jameson. Especially the kind of scenes skipped over in the montage.
Earlier I said that that they could expand on the time before Uncle ben dies, but now I'm thinking you can still have plenty of Jameson-free time after ben dies where Spider-man begins his super-hero career. I was disappointed that the original movie skipped over that so quickly.
It'll seem like much less of a rehash if they don't show Jameson until the sequel. But I do think he's required later.

Was Jameson in Amazing Fantasy #15?
My understanding is that Parker:
*gets his powers *builds his webshooters *works as a wrestler *Appears on some television shows *loses his uncle *Becomes a superhero AND THEN sells photos to jameson. Do I have this out of order?

One of the single points in the film I utterly hated. I felt like I was robbed when I saw that scene. I wanted to just leave the theater.

Epic fail.

 

[kedrell]

I had no problem with it. I didn't think it was that big a deal.

It wasn't from a purely "flow of the story" standpoint but the problem is that this is a SUPERHERO movie. Some things are just expected to be shown and if they're not then connosuier's like me and many others of the genre tend to feel cheated. Imagine if Donner had done it the Raimi way on the scene of the night Superman first starts his superhero career? That would've sucked as it was one of the most enjoyable parts of the film. But the story would have basically been unchanged.

 

[kedrell]

But the Times Square scene served that same purpose essentially, of giving us the first big 'whoa' moment.
I mean, with the Superman scene, you have the cool add of seeing the people all reacting to him for the first time, but does that really add *that* much to the scene?

I would say yes, especially with the sense of wonderment. The scene is a chance for the movie audience to easily put themselves in the shoes of the 'inside the movie audience' and get a vicarious thrill. If the 'inside the movie audience' already knows about the hero and isn't suprised(that much at least) to see him show up then it's kind of deflating for us the ACTUAL audience. These movies are primarily about emotion and the coming out to the public scene is a golden opportunity to hit the audience's nerve(in a good way).

and you could even say that was the case with the TS scene, as people had not gotten a good look at Spider-man in action yet. Up until that point he has been a blur, swinging in and out of the scene, but at TS everyone got to see him in action for a prolonged period in broad daylight, it's essentially the same thing.
The montage was just a teaser, and I get what you're saying, we as sh movie fans were expecting that big reveal to be the next beat, but he was saving it for the Goblin's debut, which was probably chosen due to a mixture of creative choice and budget concerns.

And in that scene we really didn't get much of any crowd reaction shots of them seeing Spidey in action. Mostly they were just panicking and avoiding falling debris. Kind of a gyp, if you ask me.

Batman 89 did not hit that beat, neither did the X-Men really, or Hulk, they all had teaser appearances , or short appearances, before we got a full on action sequence with them in full flow, the structure changes, thankfully.

And those movies are criticized for lacking it as well, especially Batman'89. Thankfully Batman got a second chance to get it right in BB. Hopefully X-Men:FC will have something similar and eventually we can get an honest to God proper Hulk comic origin movie(but probably not anytime soon).

I do get what you mean, I was expecting Spider-Man1 to hit all the same beats as Superman the movie when i went to see it, but I'm glad it didn't now. I was also expecting Batman89 to hit the same beats, but it's good that was different too, so we now have two v different Batman debut movies when it comes to structure.

You can hit all the same beats and still be fairly original. There are many ways for them to distinguish themselves such as different locations, threats, etc. Plus, the fact that they are different characters with different abilities and personalities means they are going to largely go about their business in their own unique way.

edit: although, that is one thing I would have liked to have seen in a Batman movie, not strictly speaking a 'public debut', but just showing a typical Batman patrol one night, with him going from crime to crime like in TDKR, BB was closest to this, but still a little short, and in B89, all we got was one v short scene paying tribute to his first appearance in DC27.

I also would have liked at least one more crimefighting scene(aside from the docks & monorail) for variety in the BB one but I still thought it was pretty well done over all.

 

[Rodrigo90]

What I think would be cool, and bring JJ back to his more badass roots, is to make him more realistic.....not Nolan style

Make him like every devious editor. Creating lies from the pictures of Spider-Man and the reporting, in order to sensationlize the Daily Bugle's headlines and generate more sales of the paper. Where he creates the facade NYC will believe, that Spider-Man is a criminal who perpetrates every crime that he intervines in.

 

[Spiderman6592]

So Ben is going to be killed by way of a car-jacking again???

I was hoping he'd be killed in the Parker home this time.

From what I've personally gathered:




Spoiler alert ahead!




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Spoiler

Peter gets into an argument with Ben at the Parker household. Peter runs off into the city. Ben chases after him on foot. Peter is hiding out on the underside of a bridge. Ben sees someone who he thinks is Peter in an alley of sorts. It turns out to be a burglar/mugger. Ben is shot. Peter hears a gunshot, follows the sound into said alleyway and finds his Uncle either dying or already dead on the ground

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So it's not the same as Raimi's trilogy. No worries.

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

I think it's safe to assume that Jameson will be in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I'm a little dissapointed that he won't be in the first movie since he's one of my favorite characters, but I'm still looking forward to the reboot.