James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 10

[The Guard]

Yeah, but the point was the crappy headshots, and that does include the Bond ones.

Those were actually some fairly quality headshots. As headshots go.

 

[Golgo-13]

This is the problem with making all the films one continuity, as oppsoed to stand alone movies. Spectre being a culmination of the 3 previous films alienates audience members who may not have seen those films. I think that another reason why Skyfall was so universally praised is that, at the time of it's release, it was a stand alone film. You didn't need to see CR nor QoS to follow what was going on. It was an independant Bond film, by an independent villain who wanted revenge. Of course Spectre has f'ed that notion up now, but i read time and time again in these very forums, people enjoying the whole continuity aspect of the Craig films, when imo the continuity has been it's biggest negative.

 

[chaseter]

Whoever said that was the most boring car chase in Rome was absolutely right. It looked like they were going 30 miles an hour down long stretches.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No it doesn't.

Silva says "I pick my own secret missions".

He never, at any point, implies that he doesn't work with anyone else. His guards and so on and him working with other people at various times during SKYFALL should be proof enough of that.

Being able to do what you want doesn't mean you never work with another organization.

It contradicts nothing.

Silva is rebelling against organizations. That is what he hates and what M represent to him. It is no different then the Bourne line, "look at what they make us give". The entire idea is he is on his own, beholden to no one. It is why he mocks Bond about his love of country and for M. Him hiring people to work from him does not contradict that, because they are tools.

Did you see the SPECTRE meeting? Does that seem like something Silva would be a part of? Of course not. He wouldn't take orders or sit in the room being perfectly obedient.

Also, where is everyone's SPECTRE ring? If they all wear them, where were they?

 

[Black Narcissus]

Melissa Silverstein
‏@melsil
I think we need to retire the term Bond girl. It's pejorative, sexist and just stupid. Monica Bellucci is no Bond girl, she's a woman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Whoever said that was the most boring car chase in Rome was absolutely right. It looked like they were going 30 miles an hour down long stretches.

Sound is so much more important then how "fast" the car looks like it is going in such scenes. Good sound design can make a car sounds incredibly fast.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Melissa Silverstein
‏@melsil
I think we need to retire the term Bond girl. It's pejorative, sexist and just stupid. Monica Bellucci is no Bond girl, she's a woman.

That is kind of fair actually. Bond Female Lead it is.

 

[Golgo-13]

Melissa Silverstein
‏@melsil
I think we need to retire the term Bond girl. It's pejorative, sexist and just stupid. Monica Bellucci is no Bond girl, she's a woman.

Along with Batgirl, Supergirl and every other woman who has 'girl' in their title.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Melissa Silverstein
‏@melsil
I think we need to retire the term Bond girl. It's pejorative, sexist and just stupid. Monica Bellucci is no Bond girl, she's a woman.

Not calling her a Bond girl hardly makes her tiny role any better.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Ehh it's not sexist per se but it's fair that a woman over 50 should be called a woman if she wants to.

At least she didn't say it was "misogynistic" now that is a word that is overused often for the wrong reasons.

 

[Black Narcissus]

That is kind of fair actually. Bond Female Lead it is.

Eh.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh.

Next time I'll put the .

 

[The Guard]

Silva is rebelling against organizations.

No...he's not, or he himself would not have an organization.

He is not rebelling against the idea of organizations, he is rebelling against the idea of government, specifically MI6 and the official/militaristic spy game, because he is disillusioned by his time serving it. Yet he's still clearly "working in his field" to some extent.

That is what he hates and what M represent to him. It is no different then the Bourne line, "look at what they make us give". The entire idea is he is on his own, beholden to no one.

Which does not change if he happened to work with SPECTRE. If his motivations and SPECTRE's align, he is not necessarily beholden to them.

It is why he mocks Bond about his love of country and for M. Him hiring people to work from him does not contradict that, because they are tools.

But it does show that he obviously does not work alone, in a complete vacuum. Making an alliance with an organization like SPECTRE less of an impossibility for his character.

Did you see the SPECTRE meeting? Does that seem like something Silva would be a part of? Of course not. He wouldn't take orders or sit in the room being perfectly obedient.

I never said Silva was or had to be part of SPECTRE.

Nor does the idea of SPECTRE being involved somehow in his plot or his organization neccessitate him officially being part of it.

There's nowhere in the film that it's even suggested that everyone who SPECTRE works with in any capacity is actually part of the organization, anymore than everyone Quantum worked with was part of the organization.

It's not like EVERY SINGLE person SPECTRE works with was at that meeting and functioned the same way. I would imagine many of them had agents and assets embedded in governments, armies, spy organizations, terrorist groups, etc.

Also, where is everyone's SPECTRE ring? If they all wear them, where were they?

Again, the fact that they worked with SPECTRE, does not mean they are officers in SPECTRE. Nor does anything suggest that all SPECTRE members have those rings.

Or maybe, just maybe, SPECTRE members decided to wear rings quite recently.

You're nitpicking, but not allowing for all the possibilities.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Along with Batgirl, Supergirl and every other woman who has 'girl' in their title.

Too be fair, those characters are meant to represent young girls. At least when they started out.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The Silva Spectre thing was silly, aside from his own renegade personality his whole motivation seemed more connected to M than Bond anyways.

So them insinuating that either he was a member of Spectre or they pushed him in the direction of Bond specifically (and not M) totally goes against the whole point of that character in Skyfall.

I think all the other connections made sense even how they made Quantum into a subsidiary of Spectre but they should have just left Silva out. Not a huge deal but totally unnecessary on their part.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Next time I'll put the .

Silverrstein likes to nitpick little things, she is one of the feminist that won't bother seeing the other side. I will never forgive her for talking smack about George Miller and then kissing his ass for Furiosa. She recently talked smack again cause Fuiosa might not be back in the sequel. lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No...he's not, or he himself would not have an organization.

He is not rebelling against the idea of organizations, he is rebelling against the idea of government, specifically MI6 and the official/militaristic spy game, because he is disillusioned by his time serving it. Yet he's still clearly "working in his field" to some extent.



Which does not change if he happened to work with SPECTRE. If his motivations and SPECTRE's align, he is not necessarily beholden to them.



But it does show that he obviously does not work alone, in a complete vacuum. Making an alliance with an organization like SPECTRE less of an impossibility for his character.

Silva is the person fed up with their boss, who leaves the company and forms his own business. He sets out on his own. Having employees does not change that.

I never said Silva was or had to be part of SPECTRE.

Nor does the idea of SPECTRE being involved somehow in his plot or his organization neccessitate him officially being part of it.

There's nowhere in the film that it's even suggested that everyone who SPECTRE works with in any capacity is actually part of the organization, anymore than everyone Quantum worked with was part of the organization.

The scene where Q examines the ring does say Silva was a part of SPECTRE. It shows that they are all a part of SPECTRE. That was the point of the scene with Q and the ring.

It's not like EVERY SINGLE person SPECTRE works with was at that meeting and functioned the same way.

Then explain the ring scene with Q.

Again, the fact that they worked with SPECTRE, does not mean they are officers in SPECTRE. Nor does anything suggest that all SPECTRE members have those rings.

Then what was the point of the meeting scene? And yes, they all do that those rings. That is how Bond gains access, by having the ring. It shows him as a member.

Or maybe, just maybe, SPECTRE members decided to wear rings quite recently.

You're nitpicking, but not allowing for all the possibilities.

You are allowing for plot contrivances to allow something wholly convenient to exist.

 

[BobJM]

I'll be the minority here and say that this was Craig's best Bond to date.

Loved the classic Bond tropes being reintroduced yet grounded in the series' newfound sense of edge/realism (car gadgetry, Bond/villain torture scene, Bond & Swann given a tour through the main villain's lair, etc.).

Moments like Bond falling on the couch in Mexico City and waving to the bodyguard at funeral in Rome were nice marks of humor that I thought the previous films were missing.

M, Moneypenny, & Q were well used too. Moneypenny isn't, nor should be, a main character so I thought her screentime was justifiably short.

Was expecting to come to this thread to see other positive reactions, but the vibe seems relatively disappointed. Oh well...I wasn't a huge fan of Skyfall, so perhaps it makes since that this is more up my alley than it is for fans of SF)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Silverrstein likes to nitpick little things, she is one of the feminist that won't bother seeing the other side. I will never forgive her for talking smack about George Miller and then kissing his ass for Furiosa. She recently talked smack again cause Fuiosa might not be back in the sequel. lol

Ah, that is who she is? Well yeah, not a fan. The Furiosa thing shows a complete lack of knowledge of the series. The only constant is Max.

 

[Greens]

That ring scene still boggles my mind.

I like the actor who plays Q in these movies but some of the hacking material they give him is comical.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It would've made more sense as a **** ring. Imagine, a secret homosexual, free mason-esque brotherhood with that **** ring as an amulet of acceptance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That ring scene still boggles my mind.

I like the actor who plays Q in these movies but some of the hacking material they give him is comical.

I love Q, but yeah the hacking and other stuff he did this time around was pretty bad imo.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'll be the minority here and say that this was Craig's best Bond to date.

Loved the classic Bond tropes being reintroduced yet grounded in the series' newfound sense of edge/realism (car gadgetry, Bond/villain torture scene, Bond & Swann given a tour through the main villain's lair, etc.).

Moments like Bond falling on the couch in Mexico City and waving to the bodyguard at funeral in Rome were nice marks of humor that I thought the previous films were missing.

M, Moneypenny, & Q were well used too. Moneypenny isn't, nor should be, a main character so I thought her screentime was justifiably short.

Was expecting to come to this thread to see other positive reactions, but the vibe seems relatively disappointed. Oh well...I wasn't a huge fan of Skyfall, so perhaps it makes since that this is more up my alley than it is for fans of SF)

we laregly agree.This is my favorate Craig film.it's the craig version of the classic bond film.

 

[Golgo-13]

That ring scene still boggles my mind.

I like the actor who plays Q in these movies but some of the hacking material they give him is comical.

The nano-blood was

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The nano-blood was

Nanomachines, son.