James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 10

[The Guard]

Faster results.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I never said SPECTRE was built purely to attack Bond. But Blofeld says he has been torturing Bond on pupose, for years. He makes that perfectly clear.

Why are people ignoring what Blofeld actually says in the movie?

If Blofeld wasn't personally invested, why didn't he send other people to kill Bond at the end of the film? Why didn't he just kill him instead of torture him and be done with it? Why sent up the trap? Why retcon everything? Why does this movie even exist if Blofeld didn't want to punish James?

"Hey, let me just disregard the last part of the post, which was explained in the movie, to ask a bunch of questions that someone answered and was explained in the film." Bond has been screwing with his plans for years, and so Blofeld screws with Bond's life. As per why Blofeld doesn't straight up kill him, probably best explained as "there is no movie if so." Why doesn't darth vader just use to force to choke luke/rebels to death, thereby thwarting the rebel alliance? Why doesn't a group of people just shoot Batman in the face, and be done with it? The retcon is lazy, nobody is denying that, but to ignore facts is just ignorant.

 

[The Joker]

Watching Skyfall right now. Silva is a much better villain than Blofeld. Better writing and much better acting too.

Loved Silva. Easily the best villain of Craig's movies, and the best Bond villain since 006 in Goldeneye. Bardem just chewed up the scenery.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

009 wasn't in Goldeneye

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We don't know much about what kind of organization SPECTRE is, or how they interacted with Silva. We know about one meeting, and what happened in one scenario.



What are you basing this on?

SPECTRE shows that in fact, SPECTRE did work with said "wild card".



And...



Because as I pointed out, they may have wanted Bond dead or out of the way at the time.



Nope. Nothing in Silva's conversation with Bond suggests that there are no restrictions. He says he chooses his own missions, and implies that it's easy to accomplish things.



And again, maybe SPECTRE wanted Bond dead at that point in time. Seeing as how the people with Vesper try to kill Bond, and the agents in QUANTUM try to kill Bond, that would seem to be the case. Maybe Blofeld came up with his fancy torture plan later on.



He doesn't. If Silva wanted to kill Bond, do you think he'd let someone tell him not to?



Blofeld never says that, over all that time, his goal was to keep James alive so he could torture him later. He says he is the author of all James' pain. He never says that's the only thing he does. When he HAS James, he tells James he wants to torture him and then kill him. That's after he has captured Bond.



Again, that assumes the standing order on Bond wasn't just "capture or kill". Or perhaps "capture, turn into an asset or kill".



If anything, the meaning of Silva's actions now has more layers to them.

The personal meanings of Silva's actions are not suddenly erased because causing Bond pain is also involved.

The only major thing that changes is that Silva will have been works with/for someone, which is one of the less important aspects of his character anyway, seeing as how it is given so little time. I believe there's a line or two of dialogue about it. Most of the Silva's character focus is on his disillusionment with MI6. That hasn't changed.

I am done. You are literally making up your own logic, ignoring the movies and what the characters actually do and say. Once you ignore what happens in the movie and decide you are going to interpret stuff to make it work, of course the retcon might make some sense, but it flies in the face of logic.

Never, not once was Silva ever implied to be working with or for anyone. He was on his own personal mission of revenge and they changed that in SPECTRE. That you choose to believe that is fine, but that doesn't make it true.

Blofeld says in the movie, in no uncertain terms that he was waiting for James and that he was torturing James for personal reasons. Doing such personal things and then randomly letting him die makes zero sense, emphasized by the two finales of the film, where Blofeld literally handles James himself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I just realized something: if Blofeld already had Mr. White fatally poisoned, why does he need to send someone out to kill him?

Because the movie is stupid and contradicts its own internal logic multiple times.

 

[Frankeh]

Loved Silva. Easily the best villain of Craig's movies, and the best Bond villain since 009 in Goldeneye. Bardem just chewed up the scenery.

Ha, I think you might be confused because of 009 from Spectre.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Because the movie is stupid and contradicts its own internal logic multiple times.

Like the Star Wars Trilogy

 

[BobJM]

Giving Moneypenny something to do in the final act would have not been difficult. She was literally just there. They emphasis how they need to help Bond, and then she is the only one who doesn't.

But she's M's secretary now? Fine, she has a background as a failed field agent, but she very clearly gave that up.

I thought even including her in the car with M and Q at the end wholly unnecessary.

Her running a background check for Bond is exactly the capacity the character should occupy. She's not a Bond girl anymore, just a supporting character at Mi6. Love Naomie in the role, but it's a bit part

 

[Snow Queen]

Like the Star Wars Trilogy

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"Hey, let me just disregard the last part of the post, which was explained in the movie, to ask a bunch of questions that someone answered and was explained in the film." Bond has been screwing with his plans for years, and so Blofeld screws with Bond's life. As per why Blofeld doesn't straight up kill him, probably best explained as "there is no movie if so." Why doesn't darth vader just use to force to choke luke/rebels to death, thereby thwarting the rebel alliance? Why doesn't a group of people just shoot Batman in the face, and be done with it? The retcon is lazy, nobody is denying that, but to ignore facts is just ignorant.

That is not why he tortures Bond. I am not ignoring anything, but you are ignoring the torture scene where he explains it all. Bond crossing his path is where he took the chance to torture him. He makes it perfectly clear that he started this stuff with James because of his father. Why else explain it?

When exactly is Vader suppose to have choked Luke? He never gets the chance in Star Wars, and after that, he doesn't want to kill Luke.

People try to shoot Batman in the face. They fail. A lot. Its in the movies.

 

[The Guard]

I am done. You are literally making up your own logic, ignoring the movies and what the characters actually do and say. Once you ignore what happens in the movie and decide you are going to interpret stuff to make it work, of course the retcon might make some sense, but it flies in the face of logic.

No. I am not.

I have only pointed out that not everything has to be taken a single way.

I have not said that the possibilities I have pointed out are what happened, or what is meant by filmmakers. Only that they are possibilities.

Never, not once was Silva ever implied to be working with or for anyone.

That doesn't mean he might not have been or that him being revealed to have done so is illogical in any real sense.

He was on his own personal mission of revenge and they changed that in SPECTRE. That you choose to believe that is fine, but that doesn't make it true.

I'm aware that they changed this. Them involving SPECTRE does not mean that Silva's own personal mission of revenge is erased. He still went on it.

Blofeld says in the movie, in no uncertain terms that he was waiting for James and that he was torturing James for personal reasons. Doing such personal things and then randomly letting him die makes zero sense, emphasized by the two finales of the film, where Blofeld literally handles James himself.

Pretty sure Blofeld means he's waiting for James like, right then and there. Partially because he's actually physically waiting for him when he shows up at the meeting and at the compound. And if he was waiting for James, maybe he got a perverse thrill seeing Bond cheat death over and over.

Speaking of what makes sense...it actually, even with Blofeld's hatred of Bond, makes less sense to keep Bond alive. It makes more sense to have Bond killed or let him be killed. Blofeld's decision to keep Bond alive and not just kill him right away is an emotional one, and costs him dearly.

 

[BobJM]

Because the movie is stupid and contradicts its own internal logic multiple times.

Well the poison was supposed to work much quicker, as stated in the dialogue, but White was fighting it off (though he only had weeks left to live) and was obviously a non-believer.

Hinx was sent to finish the job.

 

[The Joker]

009 wasn't in Goldeneye

Ha, I think you might be confused because of 009 from Spectre.

You're right.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But she's M's secretary now? Fine, she has a background as a failed field agent, but she very clearly gave that up.

I thought even including her in the car with M and Q at the end wholly unnecessary.

Her running a background check for Bond is exactly the capacity the character should occupy. She's not a Bond girl anymore, just a supporting character at Mi6. Love Naomie in the role, but it's a bit part

Her not being a field agent anymore means she can't use a gun ever again? Even as they setup the fail as the 5 of them vs. the world? Because M isn't a field agent anymore either and he gets involved because it is necessary.

 

[Frankeh]

C'mon, people, if you're gonna take SPECTRE to the woodshed for plotholes, or convenient plot devices such as ludicrous hacking, do I really need to dig this up? http://movieplotholes.com/skyfall.html

Seems like everyone is forgetting about it.

 

[chaseter]

Sound is so much more important then how "fast" the car looks like it is going in such scenes. Good sound design can make a car sounds incredibly fast.

It was the directing/editing. It was slow and boring.

 

[Loki882]

You know that the writing is poor when people have to keep coming up with "maybes" to try and explain things because the movie cannot be bothered to.

And chalk me up as someone who's also disappointed in Moneypenny's role here, especially given what was set up in SF.

 

[Mysteryman]

Actually, it was 006 in Goldeneye wasn't it?
I think there may have been a 009 in Octopusssy.

 

[The Guard]

Because the movie is stupid and contradicts its own internal logic multiple times.

A secret organization being thorough about killing a high value target rather than hoping their poison worked...what's the world coming to?

 

[godisawesome]

Killing White would also have ensured any of his own attempts to get revenge on Bloefeld would be cut short. And considering Bond's all-too-short conversation with White set up his counterattack, it's a valid tactic.

I do feel that if Bloefeld's new past with James is lame, so is their execution of the plan; characters who hate each other should have that expressed throughout the film.

 

[Gold Samurai]

So is anyone tracking box office results for the U.S?

Usually people in bigger comic sections here would be all over that sort of thing. Almost minute by minute results.

 

[BobJM]

And chalk me up as someone who's also disappointed in Moneypenny's role here, especially given what was set up in SF.

SF set Moneypenny up with a desk job away from the action. Her role seems perfectly in line with that story arc

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Loved Silva. Easily the best villain of Craig's movies, and the best Bond villain since 006 in Goldeneye. Bardem just chewed up the scenery.

Silva was awesome.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

It's true though