James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[shauner111]

That's really funny considering his Bond movies were truly terrible. Well, ill cut Goldeneye a little slack..

Im talking about his weak story remark. I didn't have a problem with the running time but i understand if he thinks it's too long.

 

[Vaibow]

Bond sort of is an anti hero in a way, he isn't a boy scout hero.

True, but he is regarded as a 'bad boy, but not so bad with a good heart, so we'll over look it'. Plus it's always been, in my mind, subtle and no way as depicted in the novels. Craig came across as ruthless and cold, but it never really went into detail, although let's be honest, in spectre, he almost assaults Lucia.

I have always wondered why they never made action figures of Bond and i guess this is why, maybe?

 

[Ossian]

Fascinating and informative post. Welcome to the hype.

Thanks! I hope to enjoy my stay here.

 

[Bruce Malone]

That's really funny considering his Bond movies were truly terrible. Well, ill cut Goldeneye a little slack..

Im talking about his weak story remark. I didn't have a problem with the running time but i understand if he thinks it's too long.

I'll give Brosnan some slack as I believe he has admitted most of his films especially post-Goldeneye were not so great.

I think he just feels shafted he didn't get to do one last redemption film like he wanted to after DAD.

 

[MrMaooz]

I thought the snow sequence was the worst action sequence in the movie. Why emphasis over and over that Bond spent two winters learning to ski, and not have a skiing sequence?

Wow. You're right. Now that I think about, a skiing sequence would have definitely been nice.

 

[Doctor Jones]

James Bond is no exploration of misogyny or sexism though. Bond simply is sexist. He smokes, he drinks, he talks about work, he praises M, he worries about the Russians, and he talks about spanking women if they get out of line. It's as mundane as all those other things. He doesn't give it a moments worth of reflection.

I think if you can give him some of those traits and have people around him react to it you could still explore it in a Bond film though that would never happen. I mean a lot of those things are products of their time. Except misogyny. I think perhaps you could change things a bit where he does explore it to give it that more depth. It would betray the time that these books were written and these things accepted and that doesn't make them good, so maybe I think they couldn't really be done in the 50's anymore. And for good reason, since Fleming stated Bond should always be a modern character to suit the times.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

People are taking digs at Brosnan here and everywhere else. Why? His movies having problems of their own doesn't make his criticisms of Spectre invalid. Especially when similar comments have been espoused by critics and fans alike. Besides, it's not like he is under any illusions. He is always lamenting his run in the franchise and dismissing of his work as Bond.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's too bad though because I love Goldeneye. Better than Spectre anyway.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The only thing I didn't get was his Bourne comments. Whatever Spectre's problems, it didn't feel like a Bourne movie at all. Otherwise I think he was very respectful towards Craig and the crew.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Goldeneye is miles better than Spectre. That is a movie where the personal connection between Bond and the villain actually has drama. And they didn't need to shove some photoshopped picture or lame twist either.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I don't think anybody ever rags on Goldeneye, I think that film represented the lost potential with Brosnan's Bond.

I do think he wanted a do-over after DAD and I remember in interviews even just before Craig was announced he planned to come back and redeem himself as Bond.

I'll add that Brosnan might have been the most important Bond since Connery in a way, as he proved Bond could be relevant post the cold war.

This is a little before my time but I believe in the 6 years from when Dalton last played Bond to Brosnan taking over there was talk about the franchise being over actually?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Dalton thought at the time, because they were approaching the end of the Cold War and the times were changing that Bond wasn't really relevant anymore. He was signed on for a third film, but always thought Licence to Kill would be the last.

 

[Schlosser85]

Spectre didn't feel like Bourne to me. If anything, Quantum of Solace and even some scenes in Casino Royale felt more similar to Bourne than anything in Spectre.

Spectre is the most "traditional" Bond movie Craig has done so far, so that was a bit of a weird criticism.

Everything else is fair though, although some are pointing out the obvious that most of Brosnan's movies weren't exactly narrative masterpieces. It wasn't his fault, though.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Goldeneye is miles better than Spectre. That is a movie where the personal connection between Bond and the villain actually has drama. And they didn't need to shove some photoshopped picture or lame twist either.

Goldeneye is one of the best in the series. I don't think I would put it above my favorite Craig film (Casino Royale), but I'd at least have to think about it.

 

[Jason Kane]

I'll give Brosnan some slack as I believe he has admitted most of his films especially post-Goldeneye were not so great.

I think he just feels shafted he didn't get to do one last redemption film like he wanted to after DAD.

Yeah. All he needed was FYEO type of flick to clock his tenure out on instead of as things stand today

 

[DigificWriter]

Haven't seen SPECTRE yet, but, thus far, Quantum represents the pinnacle of the Craig Era, at least for me.

As far as the pre-Craig Era goes, I'd make the argument - for now, anyway, since I'm still watching the movies - that the best films from it are FYEO, TLD, LtK, and TND.

 

[Dave McFly]

can't believe Goldeneye came out 20 years go on the 17th wow

 

[AnneFan]

The only thing I didn't get was his Bourne comments. Whatever Spectre's problems, it didn't feel like a Bourne movie at all. Otherwise I think he was very respectful towards Craig and the crew.

Yes, well put. I actually agree with his 'too long' comments. The L'Americain stuff could've been trimmed, and the finale dragged at times. But apart from that, I'm satisfied.

 

[TheVileOne]

Brosnan is entitled into his opinion, and it's an opinion that many share actually. Dude's a working actor and a former Bond. He's made some stinkers, but what actor hasn't?

 

[Golgo-13]

Haven't seen SPECTRE yet, but, thus far, Quantum represents the pinnacle of the Craig Era, at least for me.

As far as the pre-Craig Era goes, I'd make the argument - for now, anyway, since I'm still watching the movies - that the best films from it are FYEO, TLD, LtK, and TND.

The Living Daylights is definitely in my top 5 favorites of the franchise. It's weird because i hate Aha's title song, but it's still catchy as hell!

 

[Visceral]

Goldeneye is damn good and better than Spectre. But Spectre is leagues above Bronsons other three, which i still watch from time to time.

But Casino Royale just cant be beaten. Even though Alec is my favorite bond villain, flemings original story with a very serious take by Martin Campbell's perfected directing is too good.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I love Casino Royale and agree that is the best Craig film and certainly a Top 5 Bond film, but there are some pacing issues in the film, particularly around the Miami Airport sequence and towards the end when Bond is recovering from his injuries.

Over 50 years later and I still don't think the duo of From Russia with Love and Goldfinger have been matched. Those are two of the best action movies ever made, period. Not just best in the series.

 

[Warhammer]

Goldeneye is a Top 5 Bond film for many. The case can be made.

 

[Vaibow]

Brosnan to me, was the perfect Bond, in looks, character and emotion.

Goldeneye was good, i also enjoyed 'TWINE'

DAD for me was terrible, even though i liked the pre credit sequence. Surfing on an avalanche and an invisible car were 'wtf' moments for me.

I honestly think, if Brosnan had hit the gym and did CR with a few tweaks, we would have seen the ultimate Bond movie - however, i was happy with CR either way.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Bond is supposed to be ruggedly handsome. Brosnan is too much of a pretty boy.

This is as close to a real life Bond as you are gonna see.