James Bond: 007 - Spectre - - Part 11

[The Shape]

Goldeneye is a Top 5 Bond film for many. The case can be made.

Absolutely. And when it's not Top 5 for people, it's Top 10.

 

[Schlosser85]

Goldeneye is Brosnan's best.

 

[The Shape]

Clearly. As far as his other Bond films, his Bond deserved to have better films.

 

[Schlosser85]

I didn't think Tomorrow Never Dies and The World Is Not Enough were that bad.

 

[Doctor Jones]

TND is so damn boring. TWINE isn't that bad. I enjoy the film. It's biggest flaws are Richards and Renard but Elektra was excellent.

 

[flickchick85]

I thought TND was better than TWINE, just 'cause Denise Richards was distractingly awful in TWINE, imo. And TND had Michelle Yeoh.

 

[titansupes]

^ I'm the opposite with that one. TND is pretty mediocre, but I can watch it and basically enjoy it. TWINE was bloody boring for me. Just this stiff, lifeless thing. I'm still not sure if I've seen it all the way through, to be honest.

EDIT: That was to Doctor Jones.

 

[AnneFan]

I like Goldeneye, it's a good movie and it has the nostalgia factor. But I actually prefer TND to it.

 

[Schlosser85]

I like Tomorrow Never Dies better than The World Is Not Enough. It was more entertaining, to me, Pryce was a better villain than Carlyle, and Michelle Yeoh was great, an equal partner, not just a "Bond girl".

Really the only standout part of TWINE is Sophie Marceau.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm prepared to make the case that both TND and TWiNE are better than Goldeneye.

 

[The Batman]

I like TWINE better than TND, mainly because the PTS and Elektra King. Both are horribly mediocre overall, IMO.

Over 50 years later and I still don't think the duo of From Russia with Love and Goldfinger have been matched. Those are two of the best action movies ever made, period. Not just best in the series.

Most Bond films are either trying to be one or the other, IMO.

 

[Warhammer]

I don't like The World Is Not Enough. Aside from Elektra King and Bond having to kill a woman in cold blood (a scene that was wasted in this film), it's not even mediocre. It just kinda sucks. Renard is such a crappy villain, too. Christmas Jones was probably the finest Bond girl, which sucks because Denise Richards' acting left more to be desired.

Tomorrow Never Dies is slightly above mediocre for me. There isn't anything wrong with the film. There just aren't many things that are right about the film. I would say Elliot Carver is an underrated villain. He's a legitimate "real world" villain, which is probably why some didn't dig him. And it was cool to see a Bond girl who could kick Bond's ass.

 

[Doctor Jones]

^ I'm the opposite with that one. TND is pretty mediocre, but I can watch it and basically enjoy it. TWINE was bloody boring for me. Just this stiff, lifeless thing. I'm still not sure if I've seen it all the way through, to be honest.

EDIT: That was to Doctor Jones.

I love the moment when Coltrane before he dies shoots the shackles of Bond free and smiles. There's some good little moments for me to save the thing. Some of the action sequences are overlong (the opening and the damned chopper saw thing).

I like Tomorrow Never Dies better than The World Is Not Enough. It was more entertaining, to me, Pryce was a better villain than Carlyle, and Michelle Yeoh was great, an equal partner, not just a "Bond girl".

Really the only standout part of TWINE is Sophie Marceau.

See sometimes I forget Yeoh is in the movie. She was great, but the movie is just so boring it sinks even the bright spots sown with it.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm prepared to make the case that both TND and TWiNE are better than Goldeneye.

 

[DigificWriter]

Reasons why I think TND is better than Goldeneye:
* TND is quintessentially classic Bond, whereas Goldeneye feels more like True Lies and Mission: Impossible

* Elliot Carver is the best James Bond villain since Blofeld, and Jonathan Pryce dwarfs Sean Bean in terms of star power and stature (and Bean is not an insignificant name by any means)

* Michelle Yeoh and Teri Hatcher have equal 'screen presence', whereas Goldeneye is dominated by Famke Janssen as Xenia Onnatopp

Reasons why I think TWiNE is better than Goldeneye:
* It gives the pre-Craig version of Bond his "Vesper" moment

* We get a far better sense of who Dench's old!M is than we did in Goldeneye

* James and Moneypenny go back to their classic interactions

* Robert Carlyle

* Denise Richards' Christmas Jones is a more interesting character than Izabella Scorupco's Natalya Simonova

* Robbie Coltrane's Valentin Zukovsky has a far bigger role in TWiNE than he does in Goldeneye, which automatically makes TWiNE better just because of how awesome that character is

* John Cleese

* A ski chase sequence

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Tomorrow Never Dies feels like every frame is carefully collated to seek the approval of a committee and every cut is the final revision of several iterations of focus groups. It's tenaciously formulaic.

 

[Schlosser85]

I didn't find Sean Bean that memorable of a villain. I enjoyed Jonathan Pryce more.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Reasons why I think TND is better than Goldeneye:
* TND is quintessentially classic Bond, whereas Goldeneye feels more like True Lies and Mission: Impossible

* Elliot Carver is the best James Bond villain since Blofeld, and Jonathan Pryce dwarfs Sean Bean in terms of star power and stature (and Bean is not an insignificant name by any means)

* Michelle Yeoh and Teri Hatcher have equal 'screen presence', whereas Goldeneye is dominated by Famke Janssen as Xenia Onnatopp

Reasons why I think TWiNE is better than Goldeneye:
* It gives the pre-Craig version of Bond his "Vesper" moment

* We get a far better sense of who Dench's old!M is than we did in Goldeneye

* James and Moneypenny go back to their classic interactions

* Robert Carlyle

* Denise Richards' Christmas Jones is a more interesting character than Izabella Scorupco's Natalya Simonova

* Robbie Coltrane's Valentin Zukovsky has a far bigger role in TWiNE than he does in Goldeneye, which automatically makes TWiNE better just because of how awesome that character is

* John Cleese

* A ski chase sequence

Judging by that avatar and this post, people don't usually agree with you, do they?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I do not find being a classic Bond film to be an innately elevating quality. Some of the best films in the series eschewed -- or were made before -- the so called classic formula.

 

[DigificWriter]

I do not find being a classic Bond film to be an innately elevating quality. Some of the best films in the series eschewed -- or were made before -- the so called classic formula.

To what films are you specifically referring, JOOC?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Dr No, FRWL, CR, Goldeneye, Skyfall, OHMSS

 

[Roose Bolton]

Y'all are crazy. Sean Bean as Alec Trevelyan was amazing.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The best parts of TWINE are better than anything in TND, but the worst parts are worse than anything in TND.

I've waffled on the two films in relation to each other over the years, but at the moment I prefer the reliably formulaic TND over the wildly inconsistent TWINE.

 

[The Joker]

Goldeneye is Brosnan's best.

The competition for that title isn't exactly stiff so it's not saying much. It's sad that Brosnan peaked with his first Bond movie and it was a steep downhill slope for him ever since.

 

[DigificWriter]

Dr No, FRWL, CR, Goldeneye, Skyfall, OHMSS

Two of those movies (DN and FRwL) are establishing the classic formula, one (OHMSS) very much adheres to said formula, and one (Skyfall) is incredibly overrated, so I can't say I agree with you at all in this.