James Cameron's Sequel to "AVATAR" - Part 1

[Teelie]

Things are moving faster now, what's exactly the problem if we're only 13 years in, in only that time we received quite a lot of big films.

You can't take 13 years of movies, declare something the best of the century (this is barely a 10th of a century) and then try to justify it. That's like saying the best movie of the year is something that came out in January when it's only April.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

You can't take 13 years of movies, declare something the best of the century (this is barely a 10th of a century) and then try to justify it. That's like saying the best movie of the year is something that came out in January when it's only April.

LOL, than let's just say it's the biggest of all-time (unadjusted), and leave it at that...

 

[Lord]

You can't take 13 years of movies, declare something the best of the century (this is barely a 10th of a century) and then try to justify it. That's like saying the best movie of the year is something that came out in January when it's only April.

We can only count with what we have, people say 21st century the same way many say the 60s and 70s, for now we still don't use the 2000s very often, so saying 21st century is easier.

 

[jmc]

Yes, it did. That's my whole point.

You don't achieve the level of success that it did from a commercial, critical, and an awards standpoint, if people didn't care about it. I don't what else to tell you but facts are right in front of us.

Like I said, even having this debate just feels incredibly strange...

I'm talking about whether people actually give a damn. I can point to Transformers 3 being this billion dollar movie but no-ones really cares about that film do they? I understand what the facts are, but I'm asking whether people actually care about the movie? Has it ingrained itself in pop culture? Not really. Do people talk about it at any great length? Can't say I've ever been part of an in depth conversation about it. Does anyone even remember any of the characters names?

 

[Lord]

Transformers 3 is actually a good example that the internet doesn't disctate anything, the mainstream population enjoyed it, it still see people talking about how they liked it. Many are excited with the promise of a 4th one, fanboys and fangirls are simply more vocal, and even then Facebook is a very good place to evaluate when a film has a strong following or not.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Comparing Transformers to Avatar is a bad example because unlike Transformers, Avatar was not only critically acclaimed but was an Oscar nominated film.

What's the last billion dollar hit, to also nab a Best Picture & Director Oscar nomination?

Lord of the Rings most definitely. Titanic goes without saying.

 

[Lord]

Comparing Transformers to Avatar is a bad example because unlike Transformers, Avatar was not only critically acclaimed but was an Oscar nominated film.

What's the last billion dollar hit, to also nab a Best Picture & Director Oscar nomination?

Lord of the Rings most definitely. Titanic goes without saying.

I'm not comparing it to avatar i'm using it as an example for how the general public cares more about something than the internet may lead to believe

 

[Tacit Ronin]

No to forget that the General Public made Epic Movie and films of their family profitable for a while. Those films are vile and disgusting from an objective level (shot selection, composition, lighting, acting, editing, music). Suffice it to say, many casual filmgoers have no taste at all.

 

[terry78]

No to forget that the General Public made Epic Movie and films of their family profitable for a while. Those films are vile and disgusting from an objective level (shot selection, composition, lighting, acting, editing, music). Suffice it to say, many casual filmgoers have no taste at all.

I agree that a lot of the populous has poor taste in entertainment yet I wouldn't be able to enjoy life on the other hand if I just felt everybody else was a moron. I gotta lower myself on occasion and just have fun. Ignorance is bliss, and intelligence is lonely.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I'm not comparing it to avatar i'm using it as an example for how the general public cares more about something than the internet may lead to believe

Oh, I agree. Most definitely.

The internet does not equal the general public. Not by a long shot.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

No to forget that the General Public made Epic Movie and films of their family profitable for a while. Those films are vile and disgusting from an objective level (shot selection, composition, lighting, acting, editing, music). Suffice it to say, many casual filmgoers have no taste at all.

I agree that a lot of the populous has poor taste in entertainment yet I wouldn't be able to enjoy life on the other hand if I just felt everybody else was a moron. I gotta lower myself on occasion and just have fun. Ignorance is bliss, and intelligence is lonely.

Snob alert !

Movies are like food, sometimes you like to eat elaborate cuisine sometimes you feel like having a burger, it doesn't mean you have no taste.

 

[terry78]

Snob alert !

Movies are like food, sometimes you like to eat elaborate cuisine sometimes you feel like having a burger, it doesn't mean you have no taste.

You know we're all thinking it on here.

 

[redhawk23]

Hobbit hasn't caught on. Harry Potter is more of a kids thing to be honest. I know adults that like it but the adult fanbase isn't as rabid as SW.

That's because many Star Wars fans were children when the franchise started. The SW franchise is what, 20 years older than the HP franchise? At the same time, you don't exactly see Star Wars focused sports leagues in colleges.

 

[Doctor Jones]

No to forget that the General Public made Epic Movie and films of their family profitable for a while. Those films are vile and disgusting from an objective level (shot selection, composition, lighting, acting, editing, music). Suffice it to say, many casual filmgoers have no taste at all.

 

[dark_b]

It begs the question if Avatar never really endeared itself to people how in the bloody hell did it get so big? The only answer I can think of is the 3D.

Navi facial movement was very real looking plus realistic looking flying dragons. plus a detailed big scale alien jungle planet with floating mountains. plus the best 3D .

for Avatar to make so much money people had to see it 3-4 times. not only teens or 30 year old. but also old people. its the perfect 880 movie. the perfect movie for 8 year old kids and 80 year old men.

 

[:eek:]

It begs the question if Avatar never really endeared itself to people how in the bloody hell did it get so big? The only answer I can think of is the 3D.

If people only saw it for the 3D, then how do you explain that the original Blu-Ray (without 3D) sold more units in four days than what The Dark Knight did in one and a half year?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

No to forget that the General Public made Epic Movie and films of their family profitable for a while. Those films are vile and disgusting from an objective level (shot selection, composition, lighting, acting, editing, music). Suffice it to say, many casual filmgoers have no taste at all.

Actually, in terms of shot selection, composition, and lighting is where the Transformers movies actually excellent at. It wasn't perfect, but Bay isn't as bad a director as people think. The problem is that his self-indulgence and fratboy humor gets the better of him.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If people only saw it for the 3D, then how do you explain that the original Blu-Ray (without 3D) sold more units in four days than what The Dark Knight did in one and a half year?

Part of that has to do with timing. When TDK came out on blu-ray in 2008 the format had only been out about 2 years and the format war between blu-ray and HD dvd had just ended. So few people even had blu-ray players at the time as they were waiting to see which format would prevail.

Avatar on the other hand came out in 2010 right around the time a lot of people were finally making the transition from DVD to blu-ray.

 

[dark_b]

yes i agree. this was closer to the br and hd wars. and its hard to know.

but we can agree r that Avatar was very popular on dvd and bluray? right?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Here's the thing Avatar looks great on blu-ray, it's pure eye candy and i'll pop it in just for that reason now and then.

However like candy it's disposable and eventually you bore of it. Aside from the visuals avatar doesn't have great re-play value. I don't know how many people pop it in on replay to take in the complex and very deep story as well as the top-notch acting?

I'm sure A2 will have amazing visuals but will that be enough to keep people excited to see its sequel the year after and then its other sequel the year after?

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah, to me the replay value for Avatar was very..limited. I too got bored by multiple viewings spread across the months.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Here's the thing Avatar looks great on blu-ray, it's pure eye candy and i'll pop it in just for that reason now and then.

However like candy it's disposable and eventually you bore of it. Aside from the visuals avatar doesn't have great re-play value. I don't know how many people pop it in on replay to take in the complex and very deep story as well as the top-notch acting?

I'm sure A2 will have amazing visuals but will that be enough to keep people excited to see its sequel the year after and then its other sequel the year after?

That might be how you feel and you're more than entitled to your opinion but your definitely in the minority. Again, the film's success speaks volumes as to how much it connected with the general audience. You don't generate the kind of numbers in box office and home video sales, without having great replay value.

 

[dark_b]

come on guys. it was popular on the bluray. for the love of god .

it was not the best movie of all time and it didnt stop crime and cure aids. but people liked the movie and watched it again on the bluray.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm sorry what movie are we talking about again. I forgot...

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I'm sorry what movie are we talking about again. I forgot...

Avatar, of course!