Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!!

[Webfoot Hero]

Just reading some of his Tweets, it sounds like Batista won't be coming back for Guardians 3 since he's taking Gunn's firing personally. I feel sorry for his agent / publicist.

He's hurting and searching for answers right now due to this all going down so suddenly and Gunn being such a close friend. I'm sure once the emotion of it subsides, he'll possibly understand it.

 

[eddy]

What is the dangerous precedent? Don't tweet thousands of times about raping children, women or men, joke or not? That doesn't feel dangerous to me. That feels like common sense.

Eminem made jokes in multiple music albums about women and children being raped and murdered. Should he be dropped from his record label?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Eminem made jokes in multiple music albums about women and children being raped and murdered. Should he be dropped from his record label?

Those are technically considered part of his artform and his label were fine with them since the publicity and controversy they caused helped sell albums. That type of publicity doesn't help sell movie tickets to a typically family-friendly audience so Disney distanced themselves from Gunn.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eminem made jokes in multiple music albums about women and children being raped and murdered. Should he be dropped from his record label?

Is Eminem's employer Disney and/or have they fired him?

 

[eddy]

https://***********/BurnettRM/status/1020530954962530304

Yeah this is sad because Disney actually employed the convicted pedophile, mentioned in that tweet, to direct Powder for them. How the #### has Victor Salva not been banished from Hollywood?!?!?!?f

 

[Mask&Cape]

I'm very conflicted about this. I'm not sure James Gunn should've been fired.

As for the jokes, to the people saying you can never joke about those topics...well I mean...maybe not in that context, but in TV-MA shows those jokes are made.

Shows like Archer, Family Guy, South Park, Rick and Morty, and even The Venture Bros. have made jokes about pedophilia or even featured pedophile characters.

Putting Mr. Herbert from Family Guy aside, look at Sgt. Hatred in Venture Bros. He openly admitted to his pedophilia at one point and that he can't be within 10 feet of any children.

Now I am not saying everyone should be OK with that or like it. But what I am saying though is to point out to the people here who have that mindset, there are a lot of popular genre shows with fervent online fan communities that feature jokes and characters relating to pedophilia, rape, incest, and many taboo subjects.

I think the difference is that with those shows, you know those are edgy over the top and outrageous TV shows. They have more context.

The problem with James Gunn's tweets is that they don't have a TV-MA warning. And they were public, open to everyone. Anyone could find them. And a lot of the jokes lacked context.

It's easy for Gunn to say he was a provocateur and he liked to tell dirty jokes about taboo subjects. But since his tweets were public anyone could find them, and it's not such an easy thing to explain away or excuse.

Also not all of the really filthy ones were relating to just rape or pedophilia. Some of them were racial and homophobic in nature.

Once again, it's really easy for Gunn to say he's just saying these things to be funny or provocative, when a lot of those tweets aren't funny. It's not like he's a standup comedian doing a standup comedy set. Tweets don't really work like that.

Also, if that's the case, can't any person who posts really awful tweets use the same excuse?

It just seems like a lot of Gunn's fans are going out of their way to excuse this behavior.

But my basic point is to respond to the people who say you should never joke about those topics...well I mean a lot of popular shows make jokes about them. So it's not like some hard or fast rule.

Maybe a better way to put it is that you shouldn't joke about those kind of subjects on Twitter because 1) Twitter is not private, and 2) it's hard to explain the context of a short but filthy tweet that's on a very taboo or offensive topic.

Hitler and the KKK are some others who also have "fervent fan communities".

That doesn't make them okay, does it?

Just because those shows have a large following, does not mean that the nasty content suddenly becomes not nasty.

And thanks for the warning about Rick & Morty. I was going to start watching that this week.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Yeah this is sad because Disney actually employed the convicted pedophile, mentioned in that tweet, to direct Powder for them. How the #### has Victor Salva not been banished from Hollywood?!?!?!?f

I only recently heard about him.

Who was in charge at Disney back then?

 

[zephyrinthesky]

Just reading some of his Tweets, it sounds like Batista won't be coming back for Guardians 3 since he's taking Gunn's firing personally. I feel sorry for his agent / publicist.

Unless you're insinuating that Disney's gonna fire Dave, there's nothing from his tweets that indicates he's leaving. He's pissed about what's happened, but I'm not reading anything that says "I quit".

 

[eddy]

Whedon deserved to be fired
Gunn didn't deserve to be fired

He was an immature idiot who had a weird sense of humor but sadly many years later he has to deal with the fallout

Why do people keep repeating this Joss Whedon was not fired. His contract with Marvel ended in 2015. He chose to not do another film with them. If he wanted to, they would've gladly signed him for a 3rd film. And if I remember correctly the Russos were announced to be doing Avengers 3 and 4 before AOU was even released. I doubt Joss wanted to spend another 2 years making another Marvel film much less TWO back to back!

Considering how little AOU dropped from Avengers compared to the drops of JW2 and TLJ from their 2015 first entries, AOU looks like a basket of roses!

 

[Mask&Cape]

there's a difference between saying it while you're being employed and saying it to be an edgy fool like he was doing back in 2010/11. which he did apologize for in 2012

and if anybody has been following his twitter/social media since gotg, can obviously see that he's a good person and that was just being provocative for the sake of being edgy

disney knew this. they only cut him loose when it became more known now. which is still stupid because the person who brought it up actually bragged about sexual assault and had an axe to grind with gunn because he calls out their side politically and disagrees with them.

for lack of a better metaphor they jumped the gun on this

How do you know the people in charge at Disney knew about those tweets all along?
Just because some fans knew, doesn't mean the suits knew.

Is there any evidence or have the they commented on it before?

Gunn was fired for being "provocative" and "edgy" since making Guardians. He was fired rape and paedophile comments he made that were disgusting - not "edgy".

Yes, the guy who gathered up the information is a toe rag but that is nothing to do with Disney. He doesn't work for them.

 

[Godkiller]

It's interesting that directors don't last that long for either companies. Are the Russos the longest working cbm directors?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why do people keep repeating this Joss Whedon was not fired. His contract with Marvel ended in 2015. He chose to not do another film with them. If he wanted to, they would've gladly signed him for a 3rd film. And if I remember correctly the Russos were announced to be doing Avengers 3 and 4 before AOU was even released. I doubt Joss wanted to spend another 2 years making another Marvel film much less TWO back to back!

Considering how little AOU dropped from Avengers compared to the drops of JW2 and TLJ from their 2015 first entries, AOU looks like a basket of roses!

As the Russos complete their 4 film.

 

[eddy]

Why did Gunn close his Twitter account? He was fired by Disney. Does he still expect further repercussions by leaving it open? Or is he trying to avoid people sending him hate mail now?

Did he delete his account and reopen it? Because ever since he got fired on Friday I've been seeing people say that he deleted it but when I was at work at like 7pm and read the news, I've been able to see his account the whole time since.

 

[eddy]

Gunn is probably in a sad place right now. The honest truth is if the man had deleted the freaking tweets years ago we wouldn't be having this discussion. He has to have lost tens of millions of dollars in GOTG 3 and the Sony project. I wouldn't want to be on twitter after that either.

You know what, I think thats why i'm so angry with the situation. James Gunn seems like a reasonably smart and socially conscience person and for him to say he was sorry for those tweets and be stupid enough to leave them there is insane. People want to blame Disney or some crazy conservative but with a few keystrokes Gunn could still be directing GOTG 3.

Jesus-freaking-christ! How do you go around pulling up old tweets and forget to delete pedo tweets in your own timeline. I feel like there has to be some autism there somewhere.

Maybe he forgot he tweeted them? FB reminds me of stupid stuff I posted 8 years ago but twitter doesn't.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Who had to delete 10,000 tweets about pedophilia? Are we moving into hyperbole territory now? Sure lets go for it!

How about the hundreds of millions of children that have had to suffer through Star-Lord's jokes about *********ion and Drax's jokes about a man's penis?

Remember Donald Glover? The guy Disney just recently cast in Solo and Spider-Man Homecoming? I seem to remember him saying he'd rather get AIDS than have a baby. And that's pretty tame compared to some of his material.

Anyone remember what RDJ was up to a decade before Disney hired him?

Glover's statement is unpleasant and makes me think he is not a nice person but I fail to see how you think it is on the same level as trying to make "jokes" about paedophilia and rape? Where is Glover saying that molesting children is funny?

Bringing up Downey Jnr. is even more bizarre. Were are the "jokes" about rape and harming children?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Bringing up RDJ having a disease is so bizarre.

 

[Doug_Moore]

Unless you're insinuating that Disney's gonna fire Dave, there's nothing from his tweets that indicates he's leaving. He's pissed about what's happened, but I'm not reading anything that says "I quit".

I wouldn't be surprised if he quit in protest. He's always had thin skin.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I wouldn't be surprised if he quit in protest. He's always had thin skin.

What part about bowing out of a contract for potentially millions of dollars out of loyalty to a friend is "thin skinned?"

 

[Mask&Cape]

Maybe he forgot he tweeted them? FB reminds me of stupid stuff I posted 8 years ago but twitter doesn't.

Someone quoted an interview where he discusses the kind of stuff he used to post on Twitter and how he has changed since then.

He doesn't say what stuff, only that it was nasty, but if he is discussing nasty tweets he surely remembers what is in them. And it would indeed be sad if he was the type of person who can try make "jokes" about rape and then forget it.

Setting aside the fact that the comments in question were horrible, I'm baffled by the fact that he had the ability to remove them but didn't and has apparently spent years in online conflict with others encouraging people to dig up dirt on others.

 

[Doug_Moore]

What part about bowing out of a contract for potentially millions of dollars out of loyalty to a friend is "thin skinned?"

Ask Edward Norton.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Ask Edward Norton.

Edward Norton didn't "bow out of a contract because of loyalty to a friend".

He was fired/not rehired because of clashes of personality, etc.

Regardless, I think "thin skin" isn't the correct phrase.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Ask Edward Norton.

Which friend are we referring to that Ed Norton was loyal to?

 

[Mask&Cape]

Which friend are we referring to that Ed Norton was loyal to?

I believe Doug_Moore is referring to Norton clashing with the director and studio over cutting the scenes involving the Phil from Modern Family (the name escapes me).

What it has to to do with Bautisa or Gunn I do no know.

 

[MarvelRudi]

I think Feige would have known about the tweets in 2012 when the blog controversy happened however he probably was more forgiving about it. They probably discussed the matter and it was probably agreed that he should not be making those comments anymore as he is working under the Disney brand.

I would assume Alan Horn wouldn't have known much about it as to him Feige was dealing with it. Not sure what Gunn posted on his blog...was it as disgusting as the tweet? Or was the blog stuff less provocative than the tweets?

 

[eddy]

The left wanted to play purity police and now it’s come back to claim one of their own.

Either all jokes are okay are none of them okay. If pedophila and child abuse is fair game in the name of comedy then so must everything else. The same people defending James Gunn would be the same people first in line on the firing squad if the jokes had been racist or homophobic... or mysoginistic.

So racism and homophobia people aren’t cool with, but pedophilia... they’re cool with? This fake hypocrisy speaks for itself.

I don’t know Gunn personally so I can’t cast judgement but he presents himself on Twitter as a very vile person, and I’m not just talking about these pedo jokes either. I have to admit that while I don’t agree with Disney’s decision, the irony in his firing is wholly satisfying to me

I hardly post on here anymore so I keep forgetting I can't curse on here but you're full of you know what. Many of the jokes that got Gunn fired were homophobic and misogynistic and apparently one racist one against hispanics that got quoted a few pages back that I'll admit made me laugh out loud irl but yeah sure, ok. The right are completely hypocritc free with their Epstein plane flying presidents and mall cruising congressmen nominees.