Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!!

[Prettyricky]

Right now I think the only way to force Disney hire James Gunn back for GOTG 3 is if all the actors of MCU, including RDJ, jointly write a letter to Bob Iger to plead him to change his mind. GOTG cast doesn't have enough clout, but people like RDJ and Feige do. The question is, will they be willing to make this issue the hill that they die on? Disney won't do it voluntarily, but if it looks as if they had no choice then they might change their mind. And it'd have to be after the Fox deal is finished and Disney doesn't need constantly worrying about it.

While it would be a noble gesture on there behalf I just dont see them holding up production over this. Now could they all be done after part 3 under a different director in a couple years? Most definitely

 

[C. Lee]

Disney shouldn't have had to wait for a movement to come along to learn that Gunn said things worth firing him over. If they did their research, they would have have known it from the start and not hired him in the first place. I don't think we should use the #MeToo movement to excuse the fact that Disney didn't do their research.

So.....you're saying he did things that he should be fired for....but because they should have found out sooner and not hired him, he doesn't deserve to be fired?

 

[Prettyricky]

Disney shouldn't have had to wait for a movement to come along to learn that Gunn said things worth firing him over. If they did their research, they would have have known it from the start and not hired him in the first place. I don't think we should use the #MeToo movement to excuse the fact that Disney didn't do their research.

Are you sure they didnt? If random people can dig up old tweets, Im sure a mega empire like disney could easily as well.

 

[samsnee]

For me the main thing is the fact that nothing has changed since Gunn was hired. If Disney didn't want a weirdo working for them, they shouldn't have hired one. Disney let the guy make two movies before they cared about those Tweets.

It would be a different case if Gunn had swept something under the rug and deliberately hid it from Disney. Let's say Gunn had a criminal record, but he signed on to Disney under a fake identity. I would completely understand firing him over that. But that's not the case. This is more equivalent to hiring a criminal under his real name, failing to do a background check (or ignoring it), and later getting mad that he has a criminal record.

There was no way for anyone to know what Roseanne was going to say in the future before hiring her. It's scary for a company to have an unpredictable person working for them. Gunn was not unpredictable. From what I gather, his behavior was consistent while working for Disney.

This article sums it up perfectly:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/james-gunn-roseanne-barr-difference/

That article is the right take. I haven’t seen anything yet that shows Gunn tweeted about pedophilia or rape while employed by Disney. Whereas Roseanne did tweet something outrageous and offensive as an active employee.

Disney really should have been more nuanced and said they were investigating before just immediately firing. But what’s done is done and I can’t see them rehiring at this point.

 

[skybender]

There's no way that Disney hires him back (for directing), but at least with the backlash they may consider using his script/keeping him on as a writer.

 

[Skrilla31]

For me the main thing is the fact that nothing has changed since Gunn was hired. If Disney didn't want a weirdo working for them, they shouldn't have hired one. Disney let the guy make two movies before they cared about those Tweets.

It would be a different case if Gunn had swept something under the rug and deliberately hid it from Disney. Let's say Gunn had a criminal record, but he signed on to Disney under a fake identity. I would completely understand firing him over that. But that's not the case. This is more equivalent to hiring a criminal under his real name, failing to do a background check (or ignoring it), and later getting mad that he has a criminal record.

There was no way for anyone to know what Roseanne was going to say in the future before hiring her. It's scary for a company to have an unpredictable person working for them. Gunn was not unpredictable. From what I gather, his behavior was consistent while working for Disney.

This article sums it up perfectly:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/james-gunn-roseanne-barr-difference/

Gunn wasn't a liability? Have you seen his Twitter? The guy was routinely nasty and smug towards anyone that opposed him politically. Some would even label him a bully. He brought this situation onto himself by sticking his nose where it didn't belong and trying to belittle others.



You're right this definitely exposes the hypocrisy of Disney for hiring him in the first place, but now they've fired him so they've corrected it in their eyes.


Mind you I happen to think this is all highly ridiculous, but these are the rules now. The left told us that you couldn't joke about racism, about sexism, about gender... and so anyone they opposed or anyone that said something even remotely 'provocative' they attempted to silence. There's only one problem, they forgot to include pedophilia on that list and now the opposing side is using it against them. The right has exploited a huge blind spot.

 

[Zarex]

Gunn was nasty to supporters of Putin's Boy, our white supremacist pathological lying garbage human president. He should get an medal for that, not a pink slip.

And despite what Cernovich's cybernazi chums would have you believe, no one is holding Gunn to a different standard. Folks with racist pasts like Donny Aaron, Josh Nader and even Roseanne should be given a chance to apologize and move on. Roseanne blew her chance. Gunn earned his. Firing him was a stupid move.

 

[Web-Head]

This thread

 

[terry78]

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/23/17604178/rick-morty-dan-harmon-twitter-4chan-reddit-far-right

Dan Harmon has left Twitter after a far right 4chan group posted an old offensive skit he created years ago.

 

[OfficerK]

I don't like James Gunn much, but people underestimate how much a director brings their own style and nuance to a movie. If anything the next one will be different at best, or just outright terrible. I can understand if people feel more optimistic than I do, but I think the third movie is frigged at this point. Since disney is on a roll lets fire Rian Johnson next.

 

[LoganGambit87]

I don't like James Gunn much, but people underestimate how much a director brings their own style and nuance to a movie. If anything the next one will be different at best, or just outright terrible. I can understand if people feel more optimistic than I do, but I think the third movie is frigged at this point. Since disney is on a roll lets fire Rian Johnson next.

well to be fair its not like gotg 2 was a home run many people didn't love that film and was probably one of the weaker mcu films in recent outings

i thought the movie was average myself

 

[DarthSkywalker]

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/23/17604178/rick-morty-dan-harmon-twitter-4chan-reddit-far-right

Dan Harmon has left Twitter after a far right 4chan group posted an old offensive skit he created years ago.

Well if he made it, why is afraid of it? That is the thing.

 

[Skrilla31]

Gunn was nasty to supporters of Putin's Boy, our white supremacist pathological lying garbage human president. He should get an medal for that, not a pink slip.

And despite what Cernovich's cybernazi chums would have you believe, no one is holding Gunn to a different standard. Folks with racist pasts like Donny Aaron, Josh Nader and even Roseanne should be given a chance to apologize and move on. Roseanne blew her chance. Gunn earned his. Firing him was a stupid move.

"Garbage human"... according to the same people that brought you:



The Expendables was so manly I f*** the s*** out of the ***** boy next to me!

I like it when little boys touch me in my silly place!

I remember my first NAMBLA meeting! It was the first time I felt ok being who I am!

 

[samsnee]

Well if he made it, why is afraid of it? That is the thing.

You know the answer

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"Garbage human"... according to the same people that brought you:



The Expendables was so manly I f*** the s*** out of the ***** boy next to me!

I like it when little boys touch me in my silly place!

I remember my first NAMBLA meeting! It was the first time I felt ok being who I am!

But did he ever say he grabbed women by their privates on the regular, and has he ever accused by a double digit amount of women that he sexually assaulted them, including a teenage girl that said he raped her?

For what Gunn said, there is no indication he has ever done any such thing. Not the same with the garbage human being that is Trump.

And for the record, I believe Gunn when he says he has grown as a human being. That doesn't mean I blame Disney for firing him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You know the answer

And that is exactly why you don't do it in the first place. I am not saying things aren't mistakes. I have said a lot of stupid **** on here. But as embarrassed as I would be to look at any of it, but there is a real difference between between stuff that would embarrass and stuff that could haunt you, like that. Not that I expect it to hurt Harmon, but that someone who loves to be so aggressive in general online, it looks very cowardly to run away from this. And yeah, this is a guy who harassed a woman he worked with. So...

 

[Skrilla31]

But did he ever say he grabbed women by their privates on the regular, and has he ever accused by a double digit amount of women that he sexually assaulted them, including a teenage girl that said he raped her?

For what Gunn said, there is no indication he has ever done any such thing. Not the same with the garbage human being that is Trump.

And for the record, I believe Gunn when he says he has grown as a human being. That doesn't mean I blame Disney for firing him.

You think Trump is a garbage human because you believe he has abused women. You are entitled to that belief, just as there are those that believe James Gunn is a garbage human being for making light of child abuse.



If you are free to define 'comedy' as you please, then you must respect the right of others to define 'abuse' as they please. There is obviously a fair amount of people, including females, that don't consider what Trump did to be abusive like you do.


Keep in mind that Trump has been in the public eye for over 30 years and the overwhelming majority of those accusations conveniently came right around the time he was about to be nominated as the republican candidate. Meanwhile James Gunn's controversy is still a mere 3 days old so who knows how long it could take, if ever, for potential victims to come forward. Look at what happened with Kevin Spacey.

 

[JannTosh]

Gunn is not coming back . If they rehire? him then they will get another backlash from the people that say he is making light of pedophilia, that Roseanne was fired but he wasn't etc. It is too much headache, Gunn is out and he is never coming back



honestly, Gunn has many times perpetuated this outrage culture that brought him down. If they exact same tweets had been from someone else h?e likely would have been one of the ones out there with a pitchfork, so it's easy to not feel too sorry for him.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

There's no way that Disney hires him back (for directing), but at least with the backlash they may consider using his script/keeping him on as a writer.

That would be far worse. They kick him out but still use his work? That's messed up.

 

[Godkiller]

That would be far worse. They kick him out but still use his work? That's messed up.

Edgar Wright worked on Ant-man for YEARS and they still used his work and kicked him out.

Disney sticks with their decision. I don't think they cave. They do what they want.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You think Trump is a garbage human because you believe he has abused women. You are entitled to that belief, just as there are those that believe James Gunn is a garbage human being for making light of child abuse.



If you are free to define 'comedy' as you please, then you must respect the right of others to define 'abuse' as they please. There is obviously a fair amount of people, including females, that don't consider what Trump did to be abusive like you do.


Keep in mind that Trump has been in the public eye for over 30 years and the overwhelming majority of those accusations conveniently came right around the time he was about to be nominated as the republican candidate. Meanwhile James Gunn's controversy is still a mere 3 days old so who knows how long it could take, if ever, for potential victims to come forward. Look at what happened with Kevin Spacey.

I am not defining comedy. I think these "jokes" were sick and gross. Trump has been accused many, many, many times, including by his former wife who accused him of rape. That you want to seemingly ignore that, but condemn Gunn for this seems rather strange. I personally do not ignore either case.

Also it is so disingenuous to even bring up the idea that Gunn did anything without a scrap of evidence, to deflect from Trump where we have had many potential victims come forward. But of course you are willing to think that of him potentially, even as Trump was recorded admitting he did such things as he felt like it. Yeah, no.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Edgar Wright worked on Ant-man for YEARS and they still used his work and kicked him out.

Disney sticks with their decision. I don't think they cave. They do what they want.

I hate what happened to Edgar Wright, completely. But he was not fired. He left on his own accord, because he didn't want to deal with the political BS of them messing with his work.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Edgar Wright worked on Ant-man for YEARS and they still used his work and kicked him out.

Disney sticks with their decision. I don't think they cave. They do what they want.

Completely different situation. They didn't kick him out, they had creative differences and decided to not work together.

But yeah Disney is not gonna changer their mind at this point.

 

[Godkiller]

I hate what happened to Edgar Wright, completely. But he was not fired. He left on his own accord, because he didn't want to deal with the political BS of them messing with his work.

Yeah and they used and messed with his work anyway. I remember people against Marvel for that as well. But Marvel still did it and the movie was fine.

Losing Gunn would be the same to Marvel is what I'm saying. They'll still use any groundwork Gunn did if they liked it.

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[TheVileOne]

Some fallacies that need correction and some thoughts I wanted to add:

1. James Gunn announced he was directing Guardians of the Galaxy in September 2012. He was reportedly in talks to direct it as early as August 2012.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...direct-marvels-guardians-of-the-galaxy-92153/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-marvel-guardians-of-the-galaxy-363928

2. Some of Gunn's "offensive tweets" are dated after he was in talks with or already hired by Disney. At least one is dated as late as December 2012, after he already confirmed his hiring for Guardians of the Galaxy.

3. If Gunn truly has matured and grown as a person, why post something like this on Twitter? Now look. I don't know how Jared Leto is as a person or what he does behind closed doors. But that goes the same for Gunn. I've heard the accusations about Leto, but they are still just accusations. On Twitter, Gunn basically interjects himself to an online conversation between Dylan Sprouse and Jared Leto, and basically lowkey accuses Leto of being a statutory rapist. I mean, I'm sorry, but that's a pretty serious accusation. Why use Twitter as the platform to do that? Gunn posted this tweet in MAY 2018!
https://***********/jamesgunn/status/996637656913141760?lang=en

4. The only apology, before this incident, I can find from Gunn was when he apologized over his superhero list blog. More on that below. You guys want to know the outlet that called him out on that offensive blog from 2010 or 2011(?) was a left-leaning website called The Mary Sue. Just saying. For that occasion, the source of the outrage was a leftist website. However, I never saw any apology for the tweets in question until now.
https://www.themarysue.com/james-gunn-apology/

5. The world would be a much better place if people stopped tweeting. Social media in general is poisonous and toxic. People should stop using them. Just for example. Look at Gunn's tweet directed at Leto. he basically comes in, posts a short tweet accusing Leto of being a predator toward underage women on the internet. No follow-up. There's nothing of substance. Yet he makes a serious accusation and basically accuses Leto of committing illegal acts. Why is this OK? All politics aside, why is it OK to do something like that?