Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!!

[NotNickFury]

And I don't think MLK or Ghandi were trying to be the thought and speech police like SJWs often are or are at least perceived to be.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't consider "SJW" an insult anyway

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Incorrect. Folks are supporting Gunn because he has disavowed those awful former "jokes" and has been an excellent contracted employee for the Mouse for six years and two extremely well received films. He has the support of his cast and crew and he is clearly a different fellow from the time when he posted shocking comments on the Twitter machine.

Decent people are able to forgive the moral failings of other, so long as they apologize and change their behavior. Donny Aaron and Josh Hader have disavowed their past racism and anti-semitism and are being supported in their efforts. Roseanne wasn't because she couldn't not be a nasty, vile person and her cast members didn't want to work with her. This has nothing to do with political affiliations,

I can't speak about Aaron, but Hader was and still is getting crushed by the media for it. His supporters were basically compared to KKK members.
And these are tweets he made as a minor. Gunn was a middle-aged adult.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

SJWs or not, the whole PC culture war climate did make things like Gunn's tweets unacceptable. Whether they happened 10 years ago or not. If it was someone on the right-wing or conservative political spectrum, the same media outlets defending Gunn right now would be all over these tweets.

Exactly this. Things that were tolerated 2-3 years ago are not now. Even more so since the #MeToo movement started where an accusation is equivalent to guilt. Am I happy about it? Definitely not. But that's the reality of society right now.

And you are dead on about it being largely determined by political affiliation or simply whether the person is liked or not. If this was Zack Snyder, many of the same people defending Gunn would be calling for his head. There is zero consistency any more.

Twitter is like the film War Games. The only winning move is not to play.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

James Gunn couldn’t go a day without igniting arguments with random people on Twitter and routinely insulted people with foul language. This is being a model employee?

So by this logic all you want from Trump is a sincere apology? That would make things right with you?

completely inept comparison. try again.

 

[writer0327]

Its probably a good idea for the Hollywood big hitters to ghost from social media. Let everything hop back to the tabloid era instead of hearing directly from the horse's mouth. At least they had plausible deniability back then.

 

[Zarex]

I can't speak about Aaron, but Hader was and still is getting crushed by the media for it. His supporters were basically compared to KKK members.
And these are tweets he made as a minor. Gunn was a middle-aged adult.

From what I can tell his supporters are taking most of the criticism for the standing O. And I agree. I don't think James or Josh should be lauded for their past stupidity. But they shouldn't be fired either.

James Gunn couldn’t go a day without igniting arguments with random people on Twitter and routinely insulted people with foul language. This is being a model employee?

Gunn certainly has A-hole tendencies on the Twitter machine. But James made two terrific (imo) films, has a great relationship with the cast and crew, didn't harass or abuse those under his charge or treat them in a disrespectful fashion. If that's not a model employee it's pretty darn close.

So by this logic all you want from Trump is a sincere apology? That would make things right with you?

An apology wouldn't be enough. He would have to drop the messages of white supremacy, misogyny and xenophopia, despite how well they play with his base of deplorables. End the pathological lying about everyone and everything and his continuous denigration of the free press that calls him out for it. Stop the destruction of the environment, the supplication to corporate interests, the subservience to Vladamir Putin. If he does all that (and probably a few other things I am forgetting) then, yeah, I could forgive him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly this. Things that were tolerated 2-3 years ago are not now. Even more so since the #MeToo movement started where an accusation is equivalent to guilt. Am I happy about it? Definitely not. But that's the reality of society right now.

And you are dead on about it being largely determined by political affiliation or simply whether the person is liked or not. If this was Zack Snyder, many of the same people defending Gunn would be calling for his head. There is zero consistency any more.

Twitter is like the film War Games. The only winning move is not to play.

I would feel same way about Gunn's situation if it was Snyder. But you're right, the name alone does make it different to some.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I would feel same way about Gunn's situation if it was Snyder. But you're right, the name alone does make it different to some.

I definitely don't mean all. But it is true of many.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I definitely don't mean all. But it is true of many.

But in that regard, maybe it is better it happens to a guy like Gunn than Snyder. That way we can at least have a more honest conversation about an issue like this, without dismissing it because it happened to someone you already don't like or care for.

 

[Tony Stark]

I would like to think I would defend Snyder because I wasn't a fan of the way he was fired. He should have been fired, but it should have been immediately after BvS when it was clear that film was not what anyone expected and few really wanted. To remove him in the middle of a project and then use his daughter's tragedy as an excuse to me was a low blow for WB.

Having said that, this thing is much larger than Gunn or Snyder or anyone else. I feel social media is going to be the downfall of society. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore. Be aware of what you say online and realize that any and all of it can reflect upon you. Take time to think before you speak and react, or before you post something you think is funny.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can't speak about Aaron, but Hader was and still is getting crushed by the media for it. His supporters were basically compared to KKK members.
And these are tweets he made as a minor. Gunn was a middle-aged adult.

Being super racist and homophobic when you are 17 isn't exactly, "oh he was a little kid". And yes, a stadium full of white people giving him a standing ovation is not a good look. Especially in Milwaukee.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...3644/why-is-milwaukee-so-bad-for-black-people

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/us/sterling-brown-milwaukee-bucks-police-lawsuit/index.html

 

[DarthSkywalker]

MLK and Ghandi weren't offended by everything.

Well, Gandhi was a bit offended by his wife it seems.

 

[wampa1]

I don't consider "SJW" an insult anyway

If it's good enough for the Green Arrow...

 

[Spider-Fan]

Guys, let's leave Trump out of this thread. Take that to the politics forum. This discussion is going bad places right now. I can see why it came up, but it is derailing the thread and I already see it trending somewhere that will lead to trouble in here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Guys, let's leave Trump out of this thread. Take that to the politics forum. This discussion is going bad places right now. I can see why it came up, but it is derailing the thread and I already see it trending somewhere that will lead to trouble in here.

Trending in a bad way? Nothing anyone said led to the idea of people of being pedophiles for supporting Gunn (I don't support Gunn, but not the issue). That was like 10 miles outside of reality.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Trending in a bad way? Nothing anyone said led to the idea of people of being pedophiles for supporting Gunn (I don't support Gunn, but not the issue). That was like 10 miles outside of reality.

The debate was spiraling out of control fast. I am not publicly admonishing any single poster in the debate (that's something I would do in a PM). I'm just saying in general, that whole discussion was going bad places.

 

[Zarex]

I posted this on another board. Adult Swim provided a template for what Disney should have (and still could do) with their response to Dan Harmon's distasteful 2009 pilot:

“At Adult Swim Disney, we seek out and encourage creative freedom and look to push stay well within the envelope in many ways, particularly around comedy branded franchises. The offensive content of Dan’s 2009 video James's tweets that recently surfaced demonstrates poor judgement and does not reflect the type of content we seek out. Dan James recognized his mistake at the time and has apologized. He understands there is no place for this type of content here at Adult Swim Disney.”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If it's good enough for the Green Arrow...

Social Justice, its meaning and all it has entailed has been altered to fit a narrative. There does seem to be this idea that we are in a post "need to fix such things" era. The thing is, that is every era. Every era seems to adjust to what came before, see it as the norm, and then act like they "fixed" everything enough. Its exactly why these things take so long to change. The backlash to the concept of #MeToo feels like that to me.

That is why this situation with Gunn can be so tricky for some. He sees himself as one fighting for causes online. His issue is some causes he might even be fighting for now, he was making jokes about pretty regularly in the past.

And with Gunn, I don't see it necessarily as him having been "awful" in the past. An *******? Most definitely. He still seems to be that really. But as with most people, what he probably even sees as acceptable has changed. Does that come with a change in society? His own maturing as a person? Him being pretty stinking rich now? Who knows. One major issue for Gunn is he has used these tactics one might complain about being used on him, on others apparently. So while those that dug this stuff up are the worst of the worst in this arena, that doesn't mean what they have brought to the front is wrong. Its still things Gunn wrote and put on the internet, for whatever reason.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I posted this on another board. Adult Swim provided a template for what Disney should have (and still could do) with their response to Dan Harmon's distasteful 2009 pilot:

“At Adult Swim Disney, we seek out and encourage creative freedom and look to push stay well within the envelope in many ways, particularly around comedy branded franchises. The offensive content of Dan’s 2009 video James's tweets that recently surfaced demonstrates poor judgement and does not reflect the type of content we seek out. Dan James recognized his mistake at the time and has apologized. He understands there is no place for this type of content here at Adult Swim Disney.”

Adult Swim isn't Disney. They are two very different companies. Adult Swim is owned by Turner. Also, we are talking about this Adult Swim and this Dan Harmon:

https://www.polygon.com/2016/10/4/13156398/adult-swim-female-writers

http://time.com/5100019/dan-harmon-megan-ganz-sexual-harassment-apology/

Morality isn't exactly their strong suit. Not that Disney is some sort of paragon, but both know their audiences. And Adult Swim and especially Rick and Morty (which I love).... well yeah.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Guys, let's leave Trump out of this thread. Take that to the politics forum. This discussion is going bad places right now. I can see why it came up, but it is derailing the thread and I already see it trending somewhere that will lead to trouble in here.

To be fair, it is somewhat difficult to leave Trump out of this conversation since Gunn's political views are a giant part of the reason this all happened.

 

[Spider-Fan]

To be fair, it is somewhat difficult to leave Trump out of this conversation since Gunn's political views are a giant part of the reason this all happened.

I know that, and it's not that it was irrelevant to the discussion. But, clearly that discussion was going to have a nuclear ending. That's the only reason I kabashed it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Being super racist and homophobic when you are 17 isn't exactly, "oh he was a little kid". And yes, a stadium full of white people giving him a standing ovation is not a good look. Especially in Milwaukee.

That's not the point. The point is that Zarex claimed that Hader apologized and was forgiven for it. Essentially that the whole thing blew over. That clearly didn't happen. We are now a week into Hadergate and it shows no signs of going away.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's not the point. The point is that Zarex claimed that Hader apologized and was forgiven for it. Essentially that the whole thing blew over. That clearly didn't happen. We are now a week into Hadergate and it shows no signs of going away.

Sorry, I misunderstood the post. Still, is it bad? It doesn't seem so. I heard them talking about it on the usual ESPN shows and well... quite a few older white gentleman seemed to want to play it down. A lot. And thus the situation feels like it isn't really a matter for a giant portion of sports media.

Like compare it to the Ozil/Germany situation. That is a national incident in Germany.

 

[TheVileOne]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-says-james-gunn-starsky-hutch-reboot-off-180531578.html

James Gunn was supposed to appear at Comic-Con to announce a Sony TV project. Could it have been this? Or is Amazon telling the truth?