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Apocalypse James McAvoy is Professor Charles Xavier!

During that teaser there's a scene that implies that Charles will be
taken hostage by Apocalypse
and he's been disqualified from playing during the finale in almost every x-film...

X1 - poison
X2 - kidnapped and brainwashed
X3 - pulverized
DOFP - stuck under a beam

In hindsight, it fits okay with his character. He's like their shepherd, so losing him raises the stakes on the team. But should Apoc be the same?
 
Are we even sure he will be taken by Apocalypse right before the climax or the final battle starts?
 
Altie said:
it's not the first time that marketing don't rely on him - another example would be Wanted, where the marketing was focused on Angelina Jolie, while McAvoy was the lead.
At least he was on the poster and the DVD cover! :woot: No seriously, there are no excuses for the absence of James on The Rogue Cut marketing campaign. I find that outrageous. He got second billing after Hugh, the actor isn't unknown as he was when Wanted was released (especially when compared to Jolie) and isn't DOFP supposed to be Charles' arc anyway? Absurd.

Sometimes I wonder if the reason why James is not used for marketing is because Hollywood has this idea of standard male beauty he hasn't, and deems his face not to be really recognizable enough for publicity, too ordinary.
Could be. Maybe it's something that happens more in the US, I don't know. When you compare the DVD cover of a film like The Conspirator, the American version is the only one that doesn't have his face on the cover. The Last King of Scotland had like FOUR images of Whitaker, a small one of Kerry Washington and none of James, even though he was the main character.
I think he's a very handsome man whose "fault" is to be shorter than the average Hollywood star, so I guess that since he's not American and called Tom Cruise he must be punished for it. :whatever: Not to mention the superb actor he is, of course.

And in a sense, it's true - and precisely he's a chameleon because when he acts you see the character, and not the actor. Unlike, I think, someone like Fassbender.
And personally, I feel his charisma appears when you see him move and talk, and his face and eyes take all the expressions (seriously, on stage he glows for real, I've never seen this on anyone before) - but that doesn't really appear in a still or on a poster.
Everyday - and I mean every single day - I read a tweet saying something like "no way, is the actor who plays Charles Xavier the same who played Mr. Tumnus?!?" :woot:
So yeah, I guess that the fact that the actor disappears into the character is at the same time a blessing and a curse, because so many people can't figure out that James is the same guy playing Tumnus, Charles, Macbeth and Bruce from Filth.
And you are right when you say that when he's moving - acting, of course, but also giving interviews - you can't take your eyes off him. On a stage he really glows. His physicality, energy and charisma are personality traits that a few photographers managed to capture.

Another fear I had was that Vaughn would gloss over Charles' trauma of losing the use of his legs and the two people he loves most in the world. It bugged the hell of out of me at the end of XMFC to see Xavier depicted as being emotionally stable after going through hell. (...) When I look back on my concerns 4 years ago on how Xavier's role would be treated in the follow-up, XMDOFP turned out to be a godsend.
So true. I'm pretty sure Vaughn was dying to put Charles on the background sitting in his wheelchair, pretty satisfied to be The Professor, while Magneto would get all the action and focus. He had already said that he (Vaughn) would have to find a new nemesis for Magneto to fight, since Charles was out of the picture in his wheelchair. :loco:

While I agree that Magneto's character development in DOFP was really lacking, I think that DOFP was the first time we saw a Charles Xavier personal development (I've always thought that Charles in FC was merely at service of Magneto's character development, and only James' intensity and commitment made Charles relevant), so that was fair. I hope we'll get more of a balance in Apocalypse.

On a somewhat related note, Xavier is less popular than Logan and Erik because he has an androgynous personality (a mix of so-called "masculine" and "feminine" traits). In our patriarchy-influenced culture, empathetic "nice guys" unfortunately finish last to über-violent maniacs.
We still live in a sexist and macho society, and geek/nerd culture can be extremely sexist. I read an article a week ago about women cosplayers who complained about being ridiculed and even harassed because of their "provocative" costumes. I can see how a character like Charles won't have a great appeal to mass consumption, sadly. So I was really glad to see him get a lot of attention and development in DOFP, and I guess I really have to thank Kinberg for that.

I consider Fassbender to be James' equal in terms of their acting talent, but I agree that because Fassbender has a more distinct face, he doesn't "blend" into his roles as much visually like the way McAvoy can.
James is the kind of actor who appeals to people who don't need anything "flashy" to appreciate how skilled a thespian is at his/her craft, and sadly we only make up a small fraction of moviegoers.
I'm Team McAvoy and I may be completely biased, but I have a personal explanation as to why he appeals more to me as an actor, and it's based on a first impressions (the first time I saw James and Fassbender acting in a film) and seeing James on a stage for three times now. Theater will never get the same level of attention and impact culture as much as films, so unfortunately a large portion of James' talent will go unnoticed to critics in general, who somehow determined that Fassbender is the best actor. Well, I may be in minority but I'll stick with the Scottish dude. :cwink:
 
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Actually the first time you see prof x in a mission is the rogue cut and technically that was cut.... I'd be happy to see him used like this in fixture films. In charge of the jet. Commanding to from the jet
 
For what it's worth LoganBabe McAvoy was on the back cover of The Rogue Cut. He's the biggest figure on there. And the website for the new release.

So he wasn't totally excluded from the marketing materials.
 
For what it's worth LoganBabe McAvoy was on the back cover of The Rogue Cut. He's the biggest figure on there. And the website for the new release.
So he wasn't totally excluded from the marketing materials.
A back cover is exactly that - a back cover. You'll never see a back cover displayed anywhere when you enter a store. A back cover isn't advertised. Plus, I follow X-Men movies on twitter and I saw all the ads for TRC, and none displayed McAvoy.

So you have Lawrence, Jackman and Fassbender (and Paquin, of course) on the DVD front cover and all the ads and stuff, while James is on the back and nowhere to be seen in any form of publicity. How is that not an exclusion? I even read someone saying when Amazon tweeted the cover "So I guess McAvoy isn't in this one". :whatever:
 
Like I said that same McAvoy image was also in the Rogue Cut website. So not totally excluded.

I also did have a problem with Fassy being front and center on the cover mostly because IIRC they didn't add any new scenes of him in The Rogue Cut. If they insisted on a Magneto being in the middle (again I'm against this, should've been one of the heroes), it should've been McKellen's.
 
Guess he and Jennifer have the better publicists, then.

I can't figure out why Fox didn't try and promote James a little bit through The Rogue Cut, considering that not only Charles Xavier has the main arc, but also James is on a new Fox release, Victor Frankenstein. But who knows the forces behind the hyping of an actor, while the other gets almost completely dismissed.
 
Like I said that same McAvoy image was also in the Rogue Cut website. So not totally excluded.

I also did have a problem with Fassy being front and center on the cover mostly because IIRC they didn't add any new scenes of him in The Rogue Cut. If they insisted on a Magneto being in the middle (again I'm against this, should've been one of the heroes), it should've been McKellen's.

Yeah, it's weird having Fassbender so central on the cover of the Rogue cut. Also, small Wolverine looks weird. They should've gone for a nice and balanced composition of: Prof X (both), Magneto (both), Wolverine, Mystique, Beast, Rogue, Storm and Quicksilver. These are arguably the most popular and/or visual characters in DOFP.

I like the earlier discussion about how Charles/Mcavoy is being promoted. At university, I studied the science of disabilities and I've always applauded X-Men for having such a prominent character with a disability (and there are also of course the many other metaphors for other minorities).

In DOFP, they found a good balance of showing the struggle one could have when being disabled without being preachy about it. I'm not going to pretend I know how it feels to sit in a wheelchair, but it's interesting how his dis-ability is the one way to his ability. It's not saying that it's easy or fun to have a disability, instead it simply shows that there's more than just the disability. It's like a blind person with great hearing or someone with autism who has a unique way of experiencing music or doing maths.

It helps he's played by a fine actor. :)
 
This is so exhausting. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Some people are never satisfied. Even when they get everything they've been complaining about.
 
I said it many times before, and I'll say it again - you're welcome to block me. Allow yourself a happier life. :o
 
Whether anyone likes it or not fox are marketing the X-Men and not the story of james mcavoy so they will market it how they feel is best with whatever they feel is the best marketing aspects

i am pretty sure no one is taking a dump on james mcavoy since he has been one of the most developed characters this series but putting a long haired xavier on the cover was never gonna be the first thing people recognise when it comes to x-men
 
Whether anyone likes it or not fox are marketing the X-Men and not the story of james mcavoy so they will market it how they feel is best with whatever they feel is the best marketing aspects

i am pretty sure no one is taking a dump on james mcavoy since he has been one of the most developed characters this series but putting a long haired xavier on the cover was never gonna be the first thing people recognise when it comes to x-men


It's marketing 101, and there is money spent on focus groups for this sort of thing on a constant basis.

It's not done arbitrarily. No one in the marketing department is thinking "**** that guy! don't put him on anything!" :whatever:
 
Who said anything about "the story of James McAvoy"? The actor is representing a character. Said character had a very important arc in the film. Character should be on the front cover. It's simple as that.
 
it makes me wonder how integral he is to the plot of this film, seeing what happens to him in the trailer. Makes me wonder if he does play a part in the grand schemes of things.
 
This is so exhausting. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Some people are never satisfied. Even when they get everything they've been complaining about.

It's just a discussion of the cover of the Rogue cut. :whatever: Nobody takes it THAT seriously and most people don't give a f****, but simply enjoy visiting this place to discuss stuff.

If you think this is 'exhausting', do something else.
 
I like the earlier discussion about how Charles/Mcavoy is being promoted. At university, I studied the science of disabilities and I've always applauded X-Men for having such a prominent character with a disability (and there are also of course the many other metaphors for other minorities).
There used to be a forum member who worked with disabled people, I've always enjoyed reading her insights about Charles' condition. She also wrote an amazing fanfic in which Erik kidnaps Charles and forces him to use a constructed Cerebro, so when I saw the trailer footage I immediately remembered her story. :yay:
And yes, I agree that a paraplegic having such a strong leadership position and importance in an universe in which physicality is so valued is really amazing. And since Charles will be in a wheelchair for the whole film (I guess), the contrast between his more than able mind and his disabled body will be really an interesting thing to see.

It's not saying that it's easy or fun to have a disability, instead it simply shows that there's more than just the disability. It's like a blind person with great hearing or someone with autism who has a unique way of experiencing music or doing maths.

It helps he's played by a fine actor. :)
Exactly. And with Apocalypse comes the "acceptance" stage of being a paraplegic, so Charles will finally put to to work the immeasurable power of his telepathy.
 
There used to be a forum member who worked with disabled people, I've always enjoyed reading her insights about Charles' condition. She also wrote an amazing fanfic in which Erik kidnaps Charles and forces him to use a constructed Cerebro, so when I saw the trailer footage I immediately remembered her story. :yay:
And yes, I agree that a paraplegic having such a strong leadership position and importance in an universe in which physicality is so valued is really amazing. And since Charles will be in a wheelchair for the whole film (I guess), the contrast between his more than able mind and his disabled body will be really an interesting thing to see.


Exactly. And with Apocalypse comes the "acceptance" stage of being a paraplegic, so Charles will finally put to to work the immeasurable power of his telepathy.

True, and what I love about his "acceptance" arc is that in DOFP they focussed more on accepting his powers than accepting his disability. Of course, the wheelchair is important and would have an impact on anyone, but I felt it wasn't the main point. It would've been quite stereotypical if they made it a story about accepting your disability (which is way more complex than just a problem which can be overcome in a movie).

Also, in the Rogue cut, they gave 2 elderly people an important mission (rescuing Rogue). Here you have 2 groups of people (elderly and disability) given the spotlight without focussing on age or disability, which is not so obvious and common for mainstream blockbusters. :)

Let's hope they'll progress the story of Charles in a similar way in X-Men: Apocalypse.
 
A nice quote from Tye Sheridan about James that I think belongs here: :atp:
I came back from having a week off and it's my first scene to shoot with James McAvoy, and let me tell you something -- James McAvoy is my idol! We get along great, and I've told him how big of a fan I am, but just to even be working with him -- just to meet him and talk to him is amazing. But having a scene where I'm one on one with him -- my god, it's insane!
(the complete interview is at the Cyclops thread)
Let's hope they'll progress the story of Charles in a similar way in X-Men: Apocalypse.
I really hope they will. James has always said that he wanted a dynamic Charles, until the character reached the "Patrick Stewart" level. But to be honest, I hope he never reaches that level while James is playing him, because I like how Charles can be dynamic and flawed and make mistakes and learn from them, while the OT Xavier seemed too flawless and static - nothing to do with the way Patrick played him, of course, which was brilliant. Just how the Professor was written until X3, when the character was screwed for good.
 
During that teaser there's a scene that implies that Charles will be
taken hostage by Apocalypse
and he's been disqualified from playing during the finale in almost every x-film...

X1 - poison
X2 - kidnapped and brainwashed
X3 - pulverized
DOFP - stuck under a beam

FC - got the bullet in ass
 
Here's another collage which shows that James has barely aged over the years.

tumblr_nbmykajvth1qd4yhbo1_1280.jpg
 
not sure if he looks young for his age now, or looked mature for his age back then
 
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