BvS Jimmy Olson (spoilers)

[ZIPBAGS]

I also assumed that Jenny had taken the place of Jimmy since MoS.

 

[Poni_Boy]

If they're not going to use him anyway, and they give him a hero's death, how is that disgraceful?

Getting executed without accomplishing your mission is not a "hero's death"

 

[Light]

Getting executed without accomplishing your mission is not a "hero's death"

Not to mention the scumbag endangered a civilian and put her life at risk. And potentially knowing what Lois could endure before they killed her should have had him think otherwise.

 

[The Guard]

Getting executed without accomplishing your mission is not a "hero's death"

Opinion.

 

[Verick808]

Yeah, not happy about one of my favorite comic characters, a fairly beloved character in general, being shot in the face. Just cause Snyder felt like it.

 

[Victarion]

It's because we're still in the denial phase.

Nothing is wrong with this movie! It's the perfect representation of the DC universe!

Spoiler

Like you didn't know the kid character of Jimmy Olsen has been begging to be reimagined as a CIA Operative who gets shot at point blank range for decade. It's so dark and edgy. Snyder understand the true spirit of the Superman comics

I missed the edge. You see it alll the time in countries where warlords are the major power.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Opinion.

A fairly educated one regarding the subject matter of death in combat

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Couldn't care less about this really. It's just another inconsequential thing for people to rip Snyder about.

Yesterday, somebody actually criticized Snyder for a book that can apparently be seen in Bruce Wayne's study. This is only the beginning.

Wait, do you have more information about this? Frankly, I'm curious.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Getting executed without accomplishing your mission is not a "hero's death"

Agreed. Jimmy deserve better.

 

[Victarion]

You don't always get what you deserve. Bad things happen to the best of people.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Never really liked Jimmy. Kind of glad he's dead honestly. A bit harsh maybe, but he'd be just as pointless as Robin.

 

[samsnee]

It's obvious Jimmy wasn't even Superman's friend in this continuity. It really was probably a random character and they decided to call him Jimmy last minute.

 

[gdw]

I believe Clark will be back.
There was a lot of chaos on that day ,it would be easy for someone to be wrongly presumed dead.
Have faith, all will be well.

Except for that whole open casket funeral thing.

Now, Clark has been killed off multiple times in the comics, in different ways, and brought back in different ways.
I'm not worried that they can't bring him back, but I am worried that they won't.

 

[gdw]

It's obvious Jimmy wasn't even Superman's friend in this continuity. It really was probably a random character and they decided to call him Jimmy last minute.

No, that's almost the exact opposite of what happened.

This is the role Eisenberg originally auditiones for, and that was part of the hook they planned.
The audience was to get excited about seeing Jimmy, and Eisenberg being in the role was to gt the audience convinced he'd be in the whole film.

Then they decided to use Eisenberg for Lex. So they recast the role, shot it as written, despite no longer having half of the original intention in place given that it was an unknown actor, and ultimately decided to cut the specifics from the theatrical cut.

All of this has been stated explicitly by Snyder, AND left in the ultimate cut.

 

[The Guard]

A fairly educated one regarding the subject matter of death in combat

I'm aware of that.

It's still an opinion.

The general public often feels like dying in service is a hero's death.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm aware of that.

It's still an opinion.

The general public often feels like dying in service is a hero's death.

And if they showed him dying valiantly during combat? Sure. Instead he was executed for ****s and giggles. Not the same

 

[Ahasverus]

After knowing this Snyder has no redemption for me. This along with Batmurder just says it all. He really doesn't give a *****.

From this point on, the DCEU is a weird elseworlds story, like the Burton films, inspired but not based on the DC characters.

 

[DACrowe]

I find it shocking that comic book fans are defending the cold-blooded murder of a major comic book character after 90 seconds of screen time because the director thought it was funny.

Wow, people really just will not accept that this movie is awful or a disgrace to the comics they love so much.

 

[Limonade]

It's obvious Jimmy wasn't even Superman's friend in this continuity. It really was probably a random character and they decided to call him Jimmy last minute.

Yeah. Jimmy Olsen, though, plays an integral role in showing another dimension to Superman's friendly character. To befriend Jimmy, shows audience how Clark Kent/Superman can empathize and relate to a dork like Jimmy.

It's an endearing long-lasting friendship.

Get rid of that--and that's one less opportunity to connect with the general audience.

 

[Dotten]

I find it shocking that comic book fans are defending the cold-blooded murder of a major comic book character after 90 seconds of screen time because the director thought it was funny.

Relax. Jimmy was not killed of because the director found it funny.

He said a Ned Stark-type arch/shocker would be "having fun with him". That is something else entirely.

A character dying in the service of his country is not the worst way to go. And in some regards, having one of their operatives killed in the situation - where Supermans involvement was unclear (hence the hearing), strengthens the whole "we don't trust this god"-storyline (although the whole scene was poorly edited, they cut to much).

 

[LamboMan]

Didn't even know that was Jimmy Olsen, must have missed it when he said his name i guess.

Well we still have Jenny. Why can't she be the new Jimmy?

 

[lukebrodyg]

I'm totally okay with Jimmy's role in this movie. :P

 

[KalMart]

I missed some of the brief dialogue right before Jimy was shot. I know he says something that he works for the CIA. Now, I know people are upset how they threw Jimmy's character away like that. But, I wonder if that really wasn't Jimmy Olsen. What if he was just a regular cia agent and they just used Jimmy's name because he works with Lois?

Just throwing this out there.

Wait....the guy with the tracking device in his camera, who was shot seconds later....was Jimmy Olsen?




That's.......





.......hilarious!

 

[gdw]

I'm totally okay with Jimmy's role in this movie. :P

Yeah, killing off a character usually very close to the main character, while at the same time having a completely random made up character filling in the exact same role Jimmy should be filling, that makes sense.

It's complete nonsense, and nothing other than Snyder saying 'oh, it would be cool to totally **** with the audience and fans, while serving absolutely ZERO purpose in the context of the rest of the film, and character arcs.

A move like this is perfectly ok, and can even be great, IF it serves a purpose in the film. In this case, it serves absolutely nothing other than Snyder himself. It is literally directorial *********ion. The film is full of a LOT of that.

The fact that Snyder thinks they did NOT have room for Jimmy, but DID have room for random intern Jenny shows how pointless a move this was, and how it is just absolutely horrible writing.

I couldn't be happier that his name was cut from the film. I am choosing to ignore it in the credits.

The addition of the dialogue naming him is, so far, the only thing I am NOT looking forward to in the Ultimate Cut.

Hopefully when we finally get a solo Superman sequel, which will almost certainly have a different director, even with Zach sticking around for the JL films, and general over seeing of the universe, they will properly introduce the character.
Even if we consider the Ultimate cut, or the crediting in the theatrical cut, to be canon, we can resolve this by assuming the CIA agent's name was part of his cover.

 

[gdw]

Relax. Jimmy was not killed of because the director found it funny.

He said a Ned Stark-type arch/shocker would be "having fun with him". That is something else entirely.

A character dying in the service of his country is not the worst way to go. And in some regards, having one of their operatives killed in the situation - where Supermans involvement was unclear (hence the hearing), strengthens the whole "we don't trust this god"-storyline (although the whole scene was poorly edited, they cut to much).

Except it WASN'T a Ned Stark type arc, as he HAD no arc. A character introduced, and then almost immediately killed, would be the exact OPPOSITE of an arc.
That notion was also tied to the casting of Eisenberg in the role. The recognizably of the actor, combined with the character, was what contributed to it being (remotely) similar to Ned Stark.

They abandoned casting Jesse in the role, but still went forward shooting a half assed version with an all but unknown actor.

Also, he did not die in service of his country, he died in service of Luthor's scheme to discredit the Superman.

He may not have known this, and thought it was for his country, but that doesn't change the fact of what it was actually in service of.

This is exactly what I mean as far as this kind of thing working IF it ACTUALLY is in service of the story.
This was the exact opposite of that.