JLA vs avengers

[Marvin]

i thought he was being sarcastic

 

[Docker2.0]

It doesn't matter what Busiek or any writer says. Thor was created to beat Supes so I tend to believe Stan Lee and Kirby. Sure he says that about all his creations but its been stated that Thor was created for that purpose.

 

[BrianWilly]

...That's nice?

 

[torkibe]

It doesn't matter what Busiek or any writer says. Thor was created to beat Supes so I tend to believe Stan Lee and Kirby. Sure he says that about all his creations but its been stated that Thor was created for that purpose.

Hmmm... Thor was created to beat Superman... Thor... the Norse god and legend that's been around for thousands of years... Was created to beat a character from a different comic book company entirely. And a we'll take the word of his "creator" that he will beat someone else's creation, even though he has never written for that other creation, because well... he created him so there's no way he'd be biased.

Not to mention, I don't think I've ever read anywhere that said Thor was intended to do anything regarding Superman.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Hmmm... Thor was created to beat Superman... Thor... the Norse god and legend that's been around for thousands of years... Was created to beat a character from a different comic book company entirely. And a we'll take the word of his "creator" that he will beat someone else's creation, even though he has never written for that other creation, because well... he created him so there's no way he'd be biased.

Not to mention, I don't think I've ever read anywhere that said Thor was intended to do anything regarding Superman.

Well it's not exactly the same as the mythology, it draws from it, all superhero's have mythological elements...

 

[torkibe]

Well it's not exactly the same as the mythology, it draws from it, all superhero's have mythological elements...

I'm aware. It's called sarcasm.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'm aware. It's called sarcasm.

Sorry, was only skim reading! Also, this debate should be made simpler really, most of the people cancel each other out, it's really only between the big hitters like flash, supes, WW, GL Cpt Marvel and then Iron man and sentry etc...

 

[The_Mystery]

For the record, I think if you look at the JLA/Avengers fight, Thor's hammer is crackling with energy. For those saying "well, how do you know the energy is magic," I say is there any other type of energy fuelling Mjolnir? That energy should have cancelled out his invulnerability and the hammer strike should have effect him the same way it would if it hit a normal guy or his size, build and weight.

 

[Brainiac 8]

In the grand scheme of things, all Marvel/DC crossovers are out of contiuity, so they cannot be used as a basis for a fight between the two teams.

 

[Varient]

For the record, I think if you look at the JLA/Avengers fight, Thor's hammer is crackling with energy. For those saying "well, how do you know the energy is magic," I say is there any other type of energy fuelling Mjolnir? That energy should have cancelled out his invulnerability and the hammer strike should have effect him the same way it would if it hit a normal guy or his size, build and weight.

When Storms fist crackles with energy,.... is that magic?
When Icemans fist shows that power aura,.. is that magic?

I'm STILL waiting for you to post a picture or a link that describes any of Thors weather effects to be "magical" in nature.

I notice that you can't find any,.. otherwise they would've been there to refute my words and give verity to yours.

V.

 

[Cyrusbales]

WOW, let's make it easy.

Storm=Mutant.

Thor = God.

God>>>>>>>>mutant.

What would you call creating the world from nothing? It's gonna be somethign along the lines of magic i thinks. God's use magic power, easy peasey!

 

[Sloth7d]

For the record, I think if you look at the JLA/Avengers fight, Thor's hammer is crackling with energy. For those saying "well, how do you know the energy is magic," I say is there any other type of energy fuelling Mjolnir? That energy should have cancelled out his invulnerability and the hammer strike should have effect him the same way it would if it hit a normal guy or his size, build and weight.

Thors hammer is enchanted, so yes it would bypass his invulnerability. The lightning from it however would not.

 

[Cyrusbales]

also it's refered to as a 'magic hammer' numerous times.

 

[Sloth7d]

HOLY *****!!!!!!!! Did you not just read everything that was said for the last 4 pages about why Thor's Hammer wouldn't hurt him??????????

You guys are talking about the lightning from it, I'm talking about the hammer itself. Just like how Diannas enchanted sword cut Supes wrist and magic playing cards pierced his skin, Thors hammer could make him bleed if he bashed him with it.

 

[Varient]

WOW, let's make it easy.

Storm=Mutant.

Thor = God.

God>>>>>>>>mutant.

What would you call creating the world from nothing? It's gonna be somethign along the lines of magic i thinks. God's use magic power, easy peasey!

Point You are trying to ignore:

That Hammer crackling with elemental lighting in a fight is exactly the same kind of electrical discharge shown for decades as the energy MANIPULATED by magic - BE IT sTORM, iCEMAN OR THOR.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The hammer controls the lightning, the hammer is magical, lighting is not magic. THe comics describe the hammer as magic!

 

[The_Mystery]

Hey, Varient, BrianWilly, torkibe & Marvin, how about we agree to disagree Smiles all around. You guys are great debaters by the way. I am throughly impressed.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, interesting point. Thor's magic only really manipulates weather related elements. He doesn't actually create lightning, just the event that creates lightning. And since he can do it down an entire path, he can basically direct what would normally be a random event. No actual changing of being is needed, just energy that didn't exist before, pushing on pre-existing stuff.

 

[Marvin]

Hey, Varient, BrianWilly, torkibe & Marvin, how about we agree to disagree Smiles all around. You guys are great debaters by the way. I am throughly impressed.

I've gotta give it up to Brian this time around he killed it
(looking forward to our disagrements in the future)

honorable mention should be made out Busiek lol

 

[Varient]

also it's refered to as a 'magic hammer' numerous times.

please stop "skim reading" this was ALL covered already - to be short: the hammer is magical,.. but like all magic,.. it's specific.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, like Cyrus said, the hammer is indeed a magical hammer. It itself is magic, with magical properties that don't operate on the physics of our universe, but it doesn't make things it interacts with magic.

 

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, so if Thor smacks him with it, it will hurt alot more than an ordinary hammer.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Depends. If that's what the hammer is MEANT to do, it will do that. It doesn't make the target weaker to the hammer.

 

[Sloth7d]

Superman is vulnerable to magic items. Just like Dianna sword. Because it was enchanted it was able to bypass his vulnerability. Thors hammer is enchanted so it also can bypass his invulnerabilty.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Only if the enchantment was specific to the task.