JLA vs avengers

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not really seeing as the density of it would give more force to the blow. No different than wood vs Steel. If you smack a person with a wooden chair it wouldn't hurt that much. But smack them with a steel chair and its a different story. Because is less likely to give under the pressure it gives off a better blow than the wooden chair.

You wonder why I said same density, weight, and shape?

Not just any other sort of tool?

 

[Sloth7d]

If the design was so specific only gods could forge it, that would basically mean you NEED magic to forge the sword. I doubt Irons could do it.

Also, her sword must also be held to stay as sharp as it is through magic, as she never sharpens it. If a sword were that sharp, it would dull to just razor sharp really quick after a few uses.

The gods had to craft Thors sword in order for it to be as effective as it is in design. So what are you saying?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

at the same time one has to agree that a hammer made of steel would hurt you more than a hammer made of plastic...

That's why I basically said it's the same thing as Mjolnir. I guess I should've added that it's steel or something.

 

[Sloth7d]

You wonder why I said same density, weight, and shape?

Not just any other sort of tool?

Wouldn't you think its density would be much different from a regular sword because of its enchantments.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The gods had to craft Thors sword in order for it to be as effective as it is in design. So what are you saying?

I'm not sure, as you're attempting to mislead the conversation.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Wouldn't you think its density would be much different from a regular sword because of its enchantments.

Not really. Unless the magic fundamentally changed everything about it, which I highly doubt. If that were the case, Odin would've just made the hammer from a tree or something.

 

[Marvin]

If the design was so specific only gods could forge it, that would basically mean you NEED magic to forge the sword. I doubt Irons could do it.

Also, her sword must also be held to stay as sharp as it is through magic, as she never sharpens it. If a sword were that sharp, it would dull to just razor sharp really quick after a few uses.

perhaps the magic lies in the fact that it will be maintained forever, and that it took a magical hand(or rather a divine one) to forge it...

but to look at the scientific achievements of the dcu
for example the entropy aegis...

a sword that can cut on a subatomic level can be made i'm sure of it

(Reed and Tony could do it)
and if not now...than in many years from now

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

perhaps the magic lies in the fact that it will be maintained forever, and that it took a magical hand(or rather a divine one) to forge it...

but to look at the scientific achievements of the dcu
for example the entropy aegis...

a sword that can cut on a subatomic level can be made i'm sure of it

(Reed and Tony could do it)

I doubt it. Holding something as unstable as subatomic particles as your stability in structure is just asking for doom. Subatomic particles form atoms to create stable structures through molecules. Strength is determined from sub atomic chains to atomic chains to molecular chains, not just subatomic chains.

 

[Sloth7d]

I'm not sure, as you're attempting to mislead the conversation.

You brought it into the argument. So are you saying that Diannas sword can cut Supes because it was enchantedly forged by the gods, but Thors hammer can't even though the same scenario applies?

 

[Marvin]

That's why I basically said it's the same thing as Mjolnir. I guess I should've added that it's steel or something.

fair enough

 

[Sloth7d]

Not really. Unless the magic fundamentally changed everything about it, which I highly doubt. If that were the case, Odin would've just made the hammer from a tree or something.

I'm saying that because the magic fundation of it effects the hammers sturdiness, that if he slammed it against Supes, the hammers sturdiness would challenge Supes sturdiness(invulnerability). The magic of it interferes making it unable to break like a normal hammer would against Supermans chest and challenges his invulnerabilty to in a test of resiliance and since magic can bypass that the hammer would go through his aurora and hurt him more than a non magical hammer.

 

[Nightwing]

I think the JLA would outnumber the Avengers by about 15 to one. I also know that DC overpowers all of their characters and that makes it a very uneven, unfair fight. I'd love to see the Avengers win but I know it won't happen

I think this sums things up perfectly.

i think everyone would love to see black panther give batman a good kicking but i dare say flash or supes would have to step in cos bruce would get his ass handed to him

 

[Varient]

Not really. Unless the magic fundamentally changed everything about it, which I highly doubt. If that were the case, Odin would've just made the hammer from a tree or something.

EVERYTHING I've read on the subject says that URU metal was chosen more for it's ability to hold magical enchantments,.............. PERIOD.

I've read it chipped, cracked, broken, URU is almost as strong as Adamantium (From recorded feats), But it is not as immutable as Set adamantium.

 

[Marvin]

I doubt it. Holding something as unstable as subatomic particles as your stability in structure is just asking for doom. Subatomic particles form atoms to create stable structures through molecules. Strength is determined from sub atomic chains to atomic chains to molecular chains, not just subatomic chains.

than it would be some sort of sub atomic disrupter

to the human eye it would look like it simply cuts

but in it's design it would just rupture the bonds between the particles

(funny thing is, i'm sure that's what Ray Palmer would say about how dianas sword works...then he'd go on to say some sh1t about how magic doesn't exist)

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You brought it into the argument. So are you saying that Diannas sword can cut Supes because it was enchantedly forged by the gods, but Thors hammer can't even though the same scenario applies?

Not at all. I said her sword did that because it was it's specific magical function. I said the sword itself must be magic because it was forged by magical means, and held together despite the fact it SHOULD break apart.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm saying that because the magic fundation of it effects the hammers sturdiness, that if he slammed it against Supes, the hammers sturdiness would challenge Supes sturdiness(invulnerability). The magic of it interferes making it unable to break like a normal hammer would against Supermans chest and challenges his invulnerabilty to in a test of resiliance and since magic can bypass that the hammer would go through his aurora and hurt him more than a non magical hammer.

That wouldn't make Clark's durability go away. It would then be like slamming two Mjolnir's together.

 

[Marvin]

You brought it into the argument. So are you saying that Diannas sword can cut Supes because it was enchantedly forged by the gods, but Thors hammer can't even though the same scenario applies?

That's excactly what' Mistress is saying

Enchanted to be sharp means a world of differnce to someone like superman than ehchanted to be dense.

super sharp > super dense

super dense = super dense

lesson over

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

EVERYTHING I've read on the subject says that URU metal was chosen more for it's ability to hold magical enchantments,.............. PERIOD.

I've read it chipped, cracked, broken, URU is almost as strong as Adamantium (From recorded feats), But it is not as immutable as Set adamantium.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me, arguing with me, or just supporting me.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

than it would be some sort of sub atomic disrupter

to the human eye it would look like it simply cuts

but in it's design it would just rupture the bonds between the particles

(funny thing is, i'm sure that's what Ray Palmer would say about how dianas sword works...then he'd go on to say some sh1t about how magic doesn't exist)

I would probably say the same thing.

However, to fit something like that in a sword would have a few problems. It would probably break down the sword itself, give off a massive energy signature, and require tons of energy to operate, which would make a distinct vulnerability.

 

[The_Mystery]

Didn't Thor dent Adamantium in a comic somewhere? I know he didn't Cap's shield and made short work of the Secondary Adamantium Ultron's during "Ultron Unleashed", but I swear I remember him dent something adamantium? Not tryin' argue, just musing outloud...

 

[Marvin]

I'm saying that because the magic fundation of it effects the hammers sturdiness, that if he slammed it against Supes, the hammers sturdiness would challenge Supes sturdiness(invulnerability). The magic of it interferes making it unable to break like a normal hammer would against Supermans chest and challenges his invulnerabilty to in a test of resiliance and since magic can bypassTHIS, this right here...is where your argument falls to many many little pieces... that the hammer would go through his aurora and hurt him more than a non magical hammer.

explain?

 

[Sloth7d]

That wouldn't make Clark's durability go away. It would then be like slamming two Mjolnir's together.

If somethings more dense than something depending on the pressure one dense item will give out. Like slamming glass cup on a glass table. The glass cup will shatter while the table at most will crack. Or if you bash an ironmallet into an irontable. With effeciant force the table will dent. Thor has such effeciant force, he's gone toe to toe with Hulk, hyperion, and Gladiator before and won.

 

[The_Mystery]

magically super dense > super dense w/vulnerability to magic

NOW, lesson over t:

 

[Marvin]

I would probably say the same thing.

However, to fit something like that in a sword would have a few problems. It would probably break down the sword itself, give off a massive energy signature, and require tons of energy to operate, which would make a distinct vulnerability.

guess that's where the hand of divine blacksmith comes into play

i see ur point...

 

[Sloth7d]

explain?

His invulnerabilty vs a magically dense object being slammed at him= his invulnerability is bypassed.