JLA vs avengers

[LouFerignoDemon]

If you say so. But for a "master" at baiting, you do a fairly amateur job.

Even I think you can do better than the simple stuff.

But I'll break you of that habit soon enough, and open your eyes to the realm of possibility. Because only then, could I have someone who can actually argue with me.

 

[bkhedr]

Please show me one evidence from anywhere in canon or anywhere on the web or anywhere in any biography whatsoever that says Superman's vulnerability to magic works in the way that magical energy itself negates his invulnerability field.

I'm pretty sure Mystery is wrong on this one.

I say Mjolnir injures Supes for one reason. Its a big hammer made of uru metal being swung by a master of wielding war hammers who happens to have class 100 strength

What makes Mjolnir more potent than your average hammer? Nothing to do with it being magical and more to with the fact that it wont break. Based on what I learned from RPGs if someone with supernatural strength swings a mellee weapon and that weapon is durable enough not to break on impact just from the force of the blow being dealt then that weapon will also do supernatural damage.

Of course this says nothing of the fact that Mjolnir can absorb Kal's heat vision till the cows come home and the fact while Lighting wont do a thing to Superman; anti-force will mess his world up, and the god blast would probably kill him (that's why Thor wouldnt use it on him)

 

[Varient]

Really, try and have an open mind here.

Really, try and have an open mind here.

SCARY.

Really, how do you figure that. She's shown to be just as strong "telepathy-wise" as J'onn.

Please show a reference that shows MoonDragon Doing what John has,.. IT has Never Happened,.. She is a weaker Telepath than the White Queen,.. who is much weaker than Xaiver,.. who needs A MACHINE to SEE across the planet. The Martian Manhunter is able to pick out a mind ANYWHERE on the planet and maintain a telepathic conferance call function running between all members of the league at the same time,.. AND BEAT SUMBODY INTO SUBMISSION TO BOOT.

Aquaman is not "just under" Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is damn near on par with Supes.

(Raised Eyebrow) "Just under" refers to his strength in relation to the League lineup.

Well not only do the Avengers have THE greatest hand to hand figher, but damn near the entire roster has been trained by him. Look at Tony fight, without armor and a bad heart, in the 1st issue of "The Illuminati.".

Trained.
Unless he drilled them as hard as he had Hawkeye,... (No reference found by me) This fighting ability is no advantage in this dust up.

All he needs to do is hold off the Flash long enough to recieve help. I didn't saw he would though. I agree, the Flash would handle Pietro very easily..

................... Quicksilver only wins on Marvel Earth 616,.... Anywhere where there is a speed force,.. Flash beats him IN SECONDS.

Wow, talk about not giving a character who has gone one on one with Thor and the Hulk any credt..

Why do you go there? Ironman - Stark admits that a "toe to toe" against either of those two while NOT wearing Armor specific to beating either one would be measured in Seconds. I give him props but You are acting like Tony is going into this wearing "Kryptonian-Busting Armor." Which makes me smile as much as the guy who inferred that Thor would use "prep-time" to beat Superman.

Once again, not giving the character any credit..

Outside of Chaos-version Witch,.. she's not going to beat someone who can just yell "Peels". Funny thing,.. Chaos Witch Beats EVERYBODY,.. Sort of like Phoenix used to.

Okay, I might be able to go with you there. But I will say the Wasp has flight and her wasp stings on her side..

No comment.

Yeah, cause Clark and J'onn are just killers. Anyway, Ms. Marvel is pretty powerful. She could absorb Supes "heat beams" or "maybe" even GL's ring power. Hercules by the way is the original strong man who goes one on one with the Hulk, Thor and Namor. He's stronger than most people give him credit for..

Doubtful,.. she apparently has an upper limit showcased in both her own title and in New Avengers,.. Superman wouldn't use heatvision on her anyway.

I've been waiting for someone at Marvel or DC explain how GL ring energy is absorbable by Photon,... let alone Ms Marvel - since in their own universe the power can't be easily syphoned off by many creatures.

I see. I'm sorry, you're right, you haven't been brain-washed at all.

Now this was just petty,.. We have YET to see you do more than give your opinion while others has quoted chapter and verse from good sources - of the many on here,.. who reads like an unreasoning fanboy?

Yeah, cause Hal, J'onn, Bruce and Diana are the most stable personalities, right.

?Unstable as in,.. HIS POWERS SHIFT FROM DAY TO DAY.

On a GOOD DAY he can whoop Galactus,...
on a bad day,...
Katy Power could beat him while playing videogames.

I can see that you will be no more reasonable in regards to the fight as you were toward the "magic mallet" issue.

V.

 

[Vanguard07]

hahaha something just occured to me.

Do any of you guys remember how lightning used to be able to transfer superman's powers?
I'm pretty sure that's happened more than once back in the silver age right?
Does that still work? I havent followed much of Superman since the first time he died and my memory of the specific events is hazy so i'm not sure about it but would it be possible for Thor to put a bolt through supes into someone else, like say, Cap and give him Supes' powers?

Now that'd be a big help to the Avengers' side eh?

 

[Marvin]

if it served the writers purpose with the direction of the story...lightning could make superman crave a bowl of sugar crisp with the way books are written these days

 

[ibsisomis]

Man we are still on this subject? WOW! Let me ask you superman guys something. What will TK powers do to supes. Like say Prof X or White Queen. I was always interested in this subject. NOt saying that Prof or Emma would be in this fight just asking what your take on this subject is.

 

[Marvin]

same thing it does to everyone else

(though kryptonians have been known to be resistant to such things due to their complex psysiology)

 

[BrianWilly]

It'd take some effort, but telepathy (not TK, which refers to telekinesis) should work on Superman just as well as it would on anyone else, factoring in an above-average willpower resistance. GASP! Superman is vulnerable to telepathy! Someone better get Moondragon a hammer.

I have to take back something I said earlier. No, it has nothing to do with Thor, none of you get off that easily. I said that the story where Wonder Woman's lasso was tied to universal truth and that breaking it somehow disrupts the reality of the universe was a bunch of nonsense. But then, I was in Barnes & Nobles yesterday and I actually got down to reading that story and it all worked quite differently, and quite more believably, than I expected. The thing that broke the lasso wasn't any outside force, but the fact that Wonder Woman herself vehemently and blindly denied the truth that the lasso gave her about a mother and a child. The lasso being tied to Wonder Woman herself, it's completely conceivable that it would break after that. And then considering that the lasso is an enchanted artifact of the gods fused with powerful magic from the shapers of the world themselves (WW had to go to the Fates to fix it), forcibly disrupting that magic -- supposedly indisruptible -- could definitely have massive mystical consequences. "Magic has a price." Fragmenting reality all over the universe? Why not? The "lies" would start slowly, in a localized region where the lasso broke, but then spread and seep across the rest of reality like a disease or a stack of dominoes. The mystical equivalent of an airborne chemical disaster, unleashed from the broken fragments of a godly divine magic artifact.

So I was wrong. On that.

I'm right on everything else.



So yeah, the point is that if anyone ever actually broke Wonder Woman's lasso, they would destroy reality. So nyeh to the Hulk!

 

[Marvin]

i completely forgot about "Golden Perfect"

Joe kelly had his ups and downs

 

[The_Mystery]

Joe Kelly did a great job of making the characters act like themselves and not let the plot overrun the story.

 

[Badfish40oz]

................... Quicksilver only wins on Marvel Earth 616,.... Anywhere where there is a speed force,.. Flash beats him IN SECONDS.

This is just silly. When does Flash beat someone in SECONDS!? He must have some pretty short comics.

Anyway, this is what I've been saying all along. The vast majority of the Sentry's powers have all been conjecture and heresay. Until I see definitive proof of his off the charts power levels, I consider him a non factor. He shouldn't even be brought into the discussion.

How convienient to your argument.

And Superman's powers have been very consistent, haven't they? But I guess to DC fans, only DC heroes can be at their full potential in battles againts Marvel heroes. You'll pull scans of Superman fighting Jesus and then a scan of the Hulk being choked by a snake. Fair, fair people. Us Marvel Zombies are the close-minded fanboys.

 

[Varient]

This is just silly. When does Flash beat someone in SECONDS!? He must have some pretty short comics.

?
In EVERY CASE where I've read the Flash deal with a "lesser" speedster,.. the fight is literally over in seconds.

His comics, (if you read them) are filled with everything that happens around the minute or two where he uses his powers.

 

[The_Mystery]

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[LouFerignoDemon]

?
In EVERY CASE where I've read the Flash deal with a "lesser" speedster,.. the fight is literally over in seconds.

His comics, (if you read them) are filled with everything that happens around the minute or two where he uses his powers.

As they say, all time is relative.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

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Happy ICA day!

 

[torkibe]

And Superman's powers have been very consistent, haven't they? But I guess to DC fans, only DC heroes can be at their full potential in battles againts Marvel heroes. You'll pull scans of Superman fighting Jesus and then a scan of the Hulk being choked by a snake. Fair, fair people. Us Marvel Zombies are the close-minded fanboys.

Hey dumbass, did you read the part where I said of the 13 titles I currently collect only 1 is DC. and it's ION, not even Superman. Or maybe you have read in some of my other posts where I talked about how much i LOVE the Sentry and hope that Marvel really explodes him to his full potential? You're right, Superman's powers have been incosistant over the years, but the changes in his levels have been pretty clearly defined and apparent for long periods. Bob, on the other hand, has been reputed to be able to take on Galactus, but has yet to actually SHOW that level of power.