JLA vs. The X-men

[Silicon Surfer]

ACTUALLY MAGS AND POLARIS CAN BOTH SEE WAVES OF ENERGY

Yes, Magneto and Polaris have quite sophisticated energy detection sensesand Magneto controls all forms of energy not just magnetism. He has been stated to be a living example of the unified field theory. Magneto can also use his powers as a cloaking device making him absolutely undetectable and thus unattackable.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Nah man batman's batsuit makes him impervious (sp) to any tricks that rogue uses. Not to mention batman will cast a spell on his skin that if she somehow touched him it wouldnt work and send the shock back to rogue.

How will he do that? Batman hasn't practiced any forms of magic.

 

[Jplaya2023]

How will he do that? Batman hasn't practiced any forms of magic.

He has books and resources at his discression.

 

[greenlantern248]

He has books and resources at his discression.

The only way Batman could do that is if he went to Dr. Fate before the fight or he went to The Demon, even if Batman has books he still couldn't use them.

 

[Vanguard07]

Nah man batman's batsuit makes him impervious (sp) to any tricks that rogue uses. Not to mention batman will cast a spell on his skin that if she somehow touched him it wouldnt work and send the shock back to rogue.

He wears a lot of clothing which would make it harder for rogue to use her death touch on him yeah. but how would it protect him from a left hook hard enough to reduce him to a fine red mist?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

This thread is so old (and long) i dont even remember if i posted on it already...

However; my opinion as of most recently is that the JLA would win.

 

[Jplaya2023]

He wears a lot of clothing which would make it harder for rogue to use her death touch on him yeah. but how would it protect him from a left hook hard enough to reduce him to a fine red mist?

2. Things

1. Batman is as fast as a cat and almost as agile as spiderman rogue's punches wouldnt get close

2. Batman's mask is made of kevlar the hardest rubber in the universe its virtually inpenetrable.

 

[BrianWilly]

ACTUALLY MAGS AND POLARIS CAN BOTH SEE WAVES OF ENERGY

Yeah, and so can Storm and Iceman and Magma and whoever else. But does that mean they can automatically tell that it's solar energy, and that they would automatically assume that they can tear it out of him? Keep in mind that while they are trying to deduce this, a team of demigods who can tear planets apart is coming at them full force...most of them without that kind of weakness.

Most of Superman's enemies spent years and years trying to find out his weaknesses and where his powers come from, and most of them haven't even gotten it down yet. I can't really imagine even someone like Magneto figuring it out after merely a few moments of fighting.

 

[KAD]

Yeah, and so can Storm and Iceman and Magma and whoever else. But does that mean they can automatically tell that it's solar energy, and that they would automatically assume that they can tear it out of him? Keep in mind that while they are trying to deduce this, a team of demigods who can tear planets apart is coming at them full force...most of them without that kind of weakness.

Most of Superman's enemies spent years and years trying to find out his weaknesses and where his powers come from, and most of them haven't even gotten it down yet. I can't really imagine even someone like Magneto figuring it out after merely a few moments of fighting.

Your assumption in't true in Dr polaris case he only had to be malicious, Magneto is already malicious and yes he can id energy types in close proximity

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

In access Cyclops actually beat Batman...I'd say Cyclops could win that one to be honest. He is quick and he has probably aim as good if not better than Green Arrow. I'd also think Wolverine would beat Batman...however Batman could beat Gambit and potentially Bishop (because he absorbs plasma energy). Beating Cyclops would take some luck on Batman's part since Cyclops goes toe to toe with folks like Apocalypse, Magneto, Sinister and the entire X-Men and puts them down.

JLA would win...not so easy but they'd win. Why, their ace in the hole...the Flash. People don't give him near enough credit in these matchups. No one else (save DC teams) has a speedster who can match Wally, and if Bart comes up to bat this time around he'll be one of their most intelligent as well.

However that aside, what about Batman vs Longshot - now that would be a fight

 

[Silicon Surfer]

As I have posted elsewhere many people in the marvel universe use computers to gather info including hacking. this group includes both the X- Men and Doom. I think that it is highly probable that both of the goups have hacked the computers of major DC groupsand organizations. They have probably hacked Batmans' computers for everything of interest including strengths and weaknesses. This is simply the way they operate. They gather info on anyone and everyone whom they may come into conflict with.

 

[Vanguard07]

Everyone always underestimates Cyclops in match-ups. Cyclops vs Captain America, Cyclops vs Batman etc. A lot of the time people think he'd lose fights like that but they're wrong. The idea is outright ridiculous. Not only is he an extremely skilled hand to hand fighter and brilliant tactician but HE CAN KILL YOU BY LOOKING AT YOU! and i'm not talking about shoot a beam and hope it hits. I'm talking take the visor off and stare you down.

The guy's got an superhuman spacial sense which gives him unbeleivable aim and allows for those ridiculous trick shots. He can adjust the width and intensity of his beams ranging from needle thin piercing shots (like when he put a whole in Blob's shoulder) to widespread blasts that hit practically everything in his direct and peripheral vision at once. He's dropped 60 foot sentinels with little problem. a guy in a cape and a bat mask stands no real chance against him in a straight up fight.

Optic blasts wouldnt do a damn thing to Superman though... JLA'd probably take it (excluding the phoenix force) but i just wanted to point out Cyclops is tougher than he looks.

 

[Jplaya2023]

In access Cyclops actually beat Batman...I'd say Cyclops could win that one to be honest. He is quick and he has probably aim as good if not better than Green Arrow. I'd also think Wolverine would beat Batman...however Batman could beat Gambit and potentially Bishop (because he absorbs plasma energy). Beating Cyclops would take some luck on Batman's part since Cyclops goes toe to toe with folks like Apocalypse, Magneto, Sinister and the entire X-Men and puts them down.

JLA would win...not so easy but they'd win. Why, their ace in the hole...the Flash. People don't give him near enough credit in these matchups. No one else (save DC teams) has a speedster who can match Wally, and if Bart comes up to bat this time around he'll be one of their most intelligent as well.

However that aside, what about Batman vs Longshot - now that would be a fight

Batman is 2 fast to be hit by optic blast especially since he wont fight him close quarters, and batman will just build a de mutant power gun that will take away mutant powers and own cyclops in hand 2 hand combat.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Everyone always underestimates Cyclops in match-ups. Cyclops vs Captain America, Cyclops vs Batman etc. A lot of the time people think he'd lose fights like that but they're wrong. The idea is outright ridiculous. Not only is he an extremely skilled hand to hand fighter and brilliant tactician but HE CAN KILL YOU BY LOOKING AT YOU! and i'm not talking about shoot a beam and hope it hits. I'm talking take the visor off and stare you down.

The guy's got an superhuman spacial sense which gives him unbeleivable aim and allows for those ridiculous trick shots. He can adjust the width and intensity of his beams ranging from needle thin piercing shots (like when he put a whole in Blob's shoulder) to widespread blasts that hit practically everything in his direct and peripheral vision at once. He's dropped 60 foot sentinels with little problem. a guy in a cape and a bat mask stands no real chance against him in a straight up fight.

Optic blasts wouldnt do a damn thing to Superman though... JLA'd probably take it (excluding the phoenix force) but i just wanted to point out Cyclops is tougher than he looks.

Thats nice and all, but batman can make an invisibility cloak and Cyclops cant see what he cant hit. Its easy to hit a fuggin 60ft sentinal or a guy fat and slow like blob but no way in hell is he touching batman with optic blast. Batman will simply throw a metaloid baterang and break cyclops visor and he's done.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

In access Cyclops actually beat Batman...I'd say Cyclops could win that one to be honest. He is quick and he has probably aim as good if not better than Green Arrow. I'd also think Wolverine would beat Batman...however Batman could beat Gambit and potentially Bishop (because he absorbs plasma energy). Beating Cyclops would take some luck on Batman's part since Cyclops goes toe to toe with folks like Apocalypse, Magneto, Sinister and the entire X-Men and puts them down.

JLA would win...not so easy but they'd win. Why, their ace in the hole...the Flash. People don't give him near enough credit in these matchups. No one else (save DC teams) has a speedster who can match Wally, and if Bart comes up to bat this time around he'll be one of their most intelligent as well.

However that aside, what about Batman vs Longshot - now that would be a fight

I know this sounds insane, but people are really discounting Aquaman here. In a one-on-one fight against, say, Cyclops, how is Cyke going to take down the King of Atlantis? He can't hide (Aquaman's got eyes that can see in the deepest ocean depths), Aquaman can give him a seizure with a thought (basal ganglia manipulation), Aquaman's body is superhumanly durable (not on the level of, say, Superman, but more then stroung enough to resist the deepest ocean pressures), and Aquaman has enough super strength to lift a city block. On top of all that, you've got the water hand which he can use to manipulate the 98% of the human body that's good old H20. Then you've got the Atlantean Trident, one of the most powerful magical artifacts in the entire DCU. Put all those things together and you've got a real powerhouse of a character.

Consdiering that most put Arthur as the weakest member of the JLA at any given moment, that tells you something about the JLA, doesn't it?

 

[Neto Magnus]

Couldn't Xavier alone defeat JLA. I mean, he would never do it but technically he could right?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Another tactic to think about would be for Storm to hit Cyclops with her lightning full power and boost Cyclops blasts to insane levels. Possibly even enough to injure superman or MM.

 

[Whirlysplat]

With Phoenix the Xmen win


Without Phoenix "speedblitz" "owns" and the so many of the JLA are faster than thought, let alone faster than the Xmen can react. Xavier starts to think and Supes or the Flash hit him a hundred times before that thought is completed.

 

[Vanguard07]

Thats nice and all, but batman can make an invisibility cloak and Cyclops cant see what he cant hit. Its easy to hit a fuggin 60ft sentinal or a guy fat and slow like blob but no way in hell is he touching batman with optic blast. Batman will simply throw a metaloid baterang and break cyclops visor and he's done.

LOL! break cyclops' visor? oh yeah that's a good plan. Cause it's not like that'd just release an unending full powered optic blast or anything. Man if i were cyclops in a fight like this i wouldnt even wear the visor. I'd throw it on the floor and stare down the jla till one of the ones who could handle an optic blast (superman, green lantern probably and maybe wonderwoman). Right away you've killed batman and anyone else without extremely high end invulnerability.

 

[Vanguard07]

Another tactic to think about would be for Storm to hit Cyclops with her lightning full power and boost Cyclops blasts to insane levels. Possibly even enough to injure superman or MM.

ummm... cyclops doesnt absorb lightning. the tactic you're suggesting would kill him instantly.
Were you thinking about Bishop maybe?

 

[Infinity9999x]

2. Things

1. Batman is as fast as a cat and almost as agile as spiderman rogue's punches wouldnt get close

2. Batman's mask is made of kevlar the hardest rubber in the universe its virtually inpenetrable.

Batman is no where near as agile as Spider-man. That's not even close, Spider-man could run circles around him. And Kevlar isn't inpenetrable, it can be broken though, but it would block rouges absorbing powers, of course, that is saying that Batman covers up his mouth hole.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

Couldn't Xavier alone defeat JLA. I mean, he would never do it but technically he could right?

Sure, if he could take down the Martian Manhunter first. As the Manhunter is his equal in psychic might, not to mention one of, if not the, strongest member of the big seven JLA.

 

[KAD]

Sure, if he could take down the Martian Manhunter first. As the Manhunter is his equal in psychic might, not to mention one of, if not the, strongest member of the big seven JLA.

Equal would be a stretch.

Onslaught would be the closest approximation to Xaviers full potential and None of the JLA are up to taking on the big O. Nor are the X-men for that matter.


I love both teams and 9 out of 10 times the JLA hands down.
But to say that they couldn't win is unrealistic.

By the way are we sure Supes wouldn't be cut by Adamantium?

By the way 2 couldn't Rougue steal all of the weaker Jla members powers and half of the big hitters?

Couldn't Xavier alter the Jla's perception so they were slightly behind in reaction time. This not being an overt attack by Xavier, wouldn't be detected for some time by MM.


Besides Batman the JLA aren't really tacticians. They rely on the big guns.

The X-men are almost always the underdog and are always forced to think to win.

 

[Seventh Soldier]

Okay, why must people always break it down to 1-on-1 fights. That's drastically unrealistic.

1) Flash beats the entirety of the weaker X-Men while the group is still figuring out that there's an opponent, leaving Jean and Charles. Assuming we aren't attributing the Flash his maximum powers, Flash and Superman beat the entirety of the weaker X-Men while the group is still figuring out there's an opponent. This is all assuming the JLA are acting stupid and saying, "Gee, they brought a guy in a wheel-chair to the fight...I sure hope he's not some sort of hidden psychic (or, mystic, would be another reasonable suspicion, albeit an incorrect one) powerhouse. Ah, well, let's attack the ones we can easily smack aside with a thought first." If we are not attributing extreme stupidity to the JLA, the fight is Jean v. JLA.

2) The JLA are one of the best "Team-work" teams there are. Ever. The X-Men are fractured and often lack trust in each other. They work together okay, unless they're in one of the BILLIONS of times of inner-turmoil those little angst-pots go through each day, apparently.

3) Phoenix would do a lot to equalize this battle. If the X-Men had Phoenix, the JLA would have someone they would actually have slight difficulty taking down. Without Phoenix, this fight is over within seconds. With Phoenix, I would attribute to the X-Men a 1 in 20 chance of victory.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Okay, why must people always break it down to 1-on-1 fights. That's drastically unrealistic.

1) Flash beats the entirety of the weaker X-Men while the group is still figuring out that there's an opponent, leaving Jean and Charles. Assuming we aren't attributing the Flash his maximum powers, Flash and Superman beat the entirety of the weaker X-Men while the group is still figuring out there's an opponent. This is all assuming the JLA are acting stupid and saying, "Gee, they brought a guy in a wheel-chair to the fight...I sure hope he's not some sort of hidden psychic (or, mystic, would be another reasonable suspicion, albeit an incorrect one) powerhouse. Ah, well, let's attack the ones we can easily smack aside with a thought first." If we are not attributing extreme stupidity to the JLA, the fight is Jean v. JLA.

2) The JLA are one of the best "Team-work" teams there are. Ever. The X-Men are fractured and often lack trust in each other. They work together okay, unless they're in one of the BILLIONS of times of inner-turmoil those little angst-pots go through each day, apparently.

3) Phoenix would do a lot to equalize this battle. If the X-Men had Phoenix, the JLA would have someone they would actually have slight difficulty taking down. Without Phoenix, this fight is over within seconds. With Phoenix, I would attribute to the X-Men a 1 in 20 chance of victory.

Only a 1 in 20? I would give phoenix a little more credit then that, I mean, she did destroy worlds with ease. How would they beat phoenix 19 out of 20 times?

I totally agree on everything else though, people really underestimate the speed factor.