JLA vs. The X-men

[ShadowBoxing]

The interdimensionasl explanation however contradicts what Marvel itself has said on the subject over the years and has been featured as a major part of at least one storyline. Marvel's original explanation of Scott's powers is that he absorbs and converts sunlight and stores the energy in his body. This was a big part of the Arkon story where Scott absorbs Storm's lightning and converts it into power for his optic blast. The blast is then used to power a device to reenergize the rings that function in place of a sun for Arkon's world. To my knowledge the interdimensional idea has never been referred to in any comic.

It's been referenced in the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" which is, in fact, a comic. And it's been the official explanation of his powers for over 25 years now. Also consider the fact that shooting "heatless" blasts that are solar energy would be totally silly, it's non einstienium energy. And yes, it's been referenced in Claremont's X-Men.

This non-Einsteinian universe is filled with particles that resemble photons, yet they interact with this universe's particles by transferring kinetic energy in the form of gravitons (the particle of gravitation). These particles generate great, directional concussive force when they interact with the objects of this universe.

 

[MagicPrime]

Okay so, (And I realize X3 isn't a movie that should be brought up alot), if Phoenix could do that thing where she incinerated everything except Wolverine, that means everybody in the JLA except Superman & maybe Wonder Woman would be taken out.

The Lantern's Power Ring could easily create a shield to block the shockwave.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

The Lantern's Power Ring could easily create a shield to block the shockwave.

Ion, maybe, but I don't think the GL's have enough willpower to block out that kind of power.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Question,

How powerful is Superman at this point? I know he's been steadily powering up over the past years, so is he at the power level he was PreCrisis? If so, then I'd say the X-men would be in pretty big trouble.

But also, if Phoenix is at full power, the JLA are going to be hard pressed to stop her. I mean, she ate a sun, not just a planet, but a whole sun. That's pretty hard to contend with.

 

[MagicPrime]

Ion, maybe, but I don't think the GL's have enough willpower to block out that kind of power.

Alan Scott blocked a direct hit from a Kryptonite Nuclear Bomb, it wiped out every superhero in the area except Superman and the guys Alan was protecting with his shield.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Alan Scott blocked a direct hit from a Kryptonite Nuclear Bomb, it wiped out every superhero in the area except Superman and the guys Alan was protecting with his shield.

Are you referring to Kingdom Come? Because that's not in continuity.

 

[OZONE]

Since when was Professor X all of a sudden a factor in this?

The first post clearly states who is in this "match":

Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA.

Versus

Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey (With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto (he is an unactive member).

Why all of this talk about the Professor? And then here and there I heard talk about Nightcrawler and other characters as well. The members of each "team" were listed, so that's what is put into account.

This fight wouldnt be fair to DC.

Jean Grey by herself as Phoenix could take practically everyone out.We'll just say Phoenix would take Flash, Green Lantern and Superman. As Phoenix Jean draws energy from Phoenix Force with perhaps limitless. With aid from Magneto her powers could be severely ampfified.

Rogue and Colossus against WonderWoman. Rogue with the Ability to draw energy and Colussus definately can take a beating.

Storm would take Hawk Girl and Aquaman, as she has already been shown in Amazon #1. Magneto and Storms electricity and Magnetiscm control would augment Jeans Powers she can also feed Bishop electrical energy to empower him.

Bishop, Cyclops and Gambit would take the Manhunter Bambits ability to convert practically any object and bishop able to absorb and use energy.And a power source...Cyclops.

 

[MagicPrime]

I love how people underestimate Batman.

He could take out Cyclops in under a minute, and could incapacitate Wolverine. And if Bats knew the fight was coming - haha.

Manhunter would take out Rogue she'd try to touch him buy he would just go incorporeal then give her a nice mind spike sending her into a seisure.

More to come - im going to the movies.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I love how people underestimate Batman.

I love how fanboys overestimate him constantly...usually to the point where they underrepresent the abilities and achievements of other characters. I also love how "Prep time" assumes all other heroes are idiots.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I love how people underestimate Batman.

He could take out Cyclops in under a minute

Cyclops is a competant battle tact who took out the entire X-Men on two occasions. He has spacial awareness, an excellent sense of how to use his powers.

Oh...and this happened in Access.

While I won't argue he is uberpowerful, someone like Batman won't be a huge deal of trouble for him. Flash and Green Lantern (or anyone more powerful than those two) could probably take him down with little trouble.

and could incapacitate Wolverine.

How, exactly At his current level, Nitro couldn't "incapacitate" him.
And if Bats knew the fight was coming - haha.

Manhunter would take out Rogue she'd try to touch him buy he would just go incorporeal then give her a nice mind spike sending her into a seisure.

More to come - im going to the movies.

Then, most likely, since Phoenix is on the team...she'd vaporize him. Or since Magneto is stated as being on the team he manipulated the fluids in his body and give him an anurism.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The fluids? Since when did Magneto get the power to manipulate fluids?

Anyway, if Phoenix is able to vaporize J'onn, she's pretty much able to vaporize everyone else on the JLA because, clearly, she's the cosmic entity and not Jean at her usual power level. If that's the case, this whole thread is an exercise in futility; of course one of the primal forces of creation is powerful enough to take down the JLA on its own.

 

[vms7591]

jla pawns x men

 

[Infinity9999x]

The fluids? Since when did Magneto get the power to manipulate fluids?

Anyway, if Phoenix is able to vaporize J'onn, she's pretty much able to vaporize everyone else on the JLA because, clearly, she's the cosmic entity and not Jean at her usual power level. If that's the case, this whole thread is an exercise in futility; of course one of the primal forces of creation is powerful enough to take down the JLA on its own.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If it's Jean at her usual level, I imagine she and J'onn would just lock horns on the astral plane forever. Or until J'onn wises up and hits her with his Martian vision while she's still battling him telepathically.

 

[Tropico]

jla pawns x men

Too bad it's not the 90's they would have gotten hella moolah for pawning off the X-Men then.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The fluids? Since when did Magneto get the power to manipulate fluids?

Well, that's not exactly how he does it but....he controls the iron in their bloodstream...it's even been shown that he can control minds doing this. This may or may not affect Manhunter, as he is a martian and may not have iron present in his body...but I'd suspect he does.

He also has control over anything in the electromagnetic spectrum...his powers, as said by Marvel, are virtually limitless.

Anyway, if Phoenix is able to vaporize J'onn, she's pretty much able to vaporize everyone else on the JLA because, clearly, she's the cosmic entity and not Jean at her usual power level. If that's the case, this whole thread is an exercise in futility; of course one of the primal forces of creation is powerful enough to take down the JLA on its own.

Kind of my point. It would be best if she was removed from the team. She just makes this basically unfair.

 

[Hush]

i just want to say that I think JLA wins.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh, I know Marvel loves to tout how limitless Magneto's power is, but he's honestly never been all that impressive. He can hold off the really powerful characters well enough, but he ultimately winds up losing a lot more than he wins, and to some really minor crap, too. Like getting decapitated by Wolverine or mind-raped by Xavier or a bunch of other things that, if his powers are as limitless as they're described, he really should've had no problem dealing with.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Meh, I know Marvel loves to tout how limitless Magneto's power is, but he's honestly never been all that impressive.

He reversed the poles of the Earth, uprooted most of Manhattan, beat the entire X-Men (Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Beast, Banshee, and Phoenix), he withstood an attack from Galactus, created a transversible wormhole in space in Excaliber, became invisible by deflecting light from his body, manipulated enough of the infrared spectrum to burn through a metal door and of course he cheats pretty conclusive death on most occasions. That's all pretty impressive

He can hold off the really powerful characters well enough, but he ultimately winds up losing a lot more than he wins

Well, ultimately he is a villain so he can't keep going on winning.

and to some really minor crap, too. Like getting decapitated by Wolverine

Even though this contradicts one of my above points, that wasn't really Magneto.

or mind-raped by Xavier or a bunch of other things that, if his powers are as limitless as they're described, he really should've had no problem dealing with.

Xavier, mind you, is fairly powerful himself...in fact he is the "most powerful telepath on Earth" perhaps aside from Phoenix when she is active. I mean even though Magneto is virtually limitless in his strength, there isn't much one can do to protect himself from a mind as powerful Xavier's...sans helmut of course.

 

[The Question]

About the whole Magneto VS. J'onn thing: It's been stated in the past that Martians have a lot of Iron in their bodies, much much more than a human, which made J'onn especially vulnerable when the team fought a Joker-ized Dr. Polaris.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, never mind. J'onn gets shafted all the time.

 

[The Question]

Ugh, never mind. J'onn gets shafted all the time.

It actually makes some sense, as the Martian surface is mostly made of Iron, and injuried Martians often heal themselves by absorbing part of the Martian surface and converting it into their body mass.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I wonder how much iron Aquaman would have; course, it's been noted before that Aquaman has the most unique anatomy of the JLA, so that makes that question even harder. And I wonder if Supes and Wondie even have iron in them. Supes is Kyrptonian so who knows really, and Wondie technically is a golem.

 

[The Question]

I wonder how much iron Aquaman would have; course, it's been noted before that Aquaman has the most unique anatomy of the JLA, so that makes that question even harder. And I wonder if Supes and Wondie even have iron in them. Supes is Kyrptonian so who knows really, and Wondie technically is a golem.

I'd say J'onn's physiology is the most unique, what with the shape shifting and all.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wonder how much iron Aquaman would have; course, it's been noted before that Aquaman has the most unique anatomy of the JLA, so that makes that question even harder. And I wonder if Supes and Wondie even have iron in them. Supes is Kyrptonian so who knows really, and Wondie technically is a golem.

It can be assumed, if you are carbon based, presumeably you have some iron in you.