Comics Joey Q Fired or Stay as EIC?

Should Joey Q stay away from Spider-Man?

  • Yes, he is completely destroying the character we all know and love

  • No, I like what he's doing so far.

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CaptainStacy said:
Well, he IS Marvel's EIC....doesnt that mean he greenlights storylines and has final say on things?

Not sure if he's head of the art department or not...
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Exactly. Thats what I was going for.
 
The sooner he leaves, the better.

:otto:
 
I didn't mention in my first post on whethero r not I want him fired. Heres my answer.....I want him FIRED!
 
CaptainStacy said:
Joe's boss is Dan Buckley!

(did i win anything?)
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Aloha,
Then this thread should ask "Dan Buckley fired or stay as Joe Q's boss? He gives the final approval to what Joe does. He has the power to hire and fire Joe Q. Why has Dan Buckely's name not appeared on these boards 10 times in the past 7 years?You can't fight the power if you have no idea who holds the power!
Spidey rules
 
Donald Thomas said:
Aloha,
Then this thread should ask "Dan Buckley fired or stay as Joe Q's boss? He gives the final approval to what Joe does. He has the power to hire and fire Joe Q. Why has Dan Buckely's name not appeared on these boards 10 times in the past 7 years?You can't fight the power if you have no idea who holds the power!
Spidey rules
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Dan should do his job then and fire Joe. :woot: :woot:
 
Sloth7d said:
Is this a joke? You really think after all of the situations he's been in he would even think of unmasking? You have to be joking.
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Sigh... I've been through this many times before, I suppose once more won't hurt
(PLEASE PAY ^%#^%#ING ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!)

First and formost, THE most important thing to Peter Parker has been and always will be his Aunt May. In the issues leading up to the unmasking, Peter was very nervous and hesitant and rightfully so, because as you said, of all the situations that he had been through.

HOWEVER, in this particular instance, he had the ONE thing that he had always craved yet never received: his Aunt May's blessing.

Peter Parker has spent a lifetime of being alone, and suffering the burden of being Spider-Man all alone. Sure, once MJ came into the picture with her knowledge, it probably lifted some weigth off Peter's shoulders, but the worries of Aunt May knowing who he was was still there.

So when Civil War started to play itself out, right away, Peter was targeted by Tony Stark (who recognized that IF he could get Spider-Man to unmask, the others should toe the line) and approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing". Peter still is hesitant and doesn't want to do it... until Aunt May tells him "it's ok".

Can you imagine after suffering ALONE all the heavy burdens being Spider-Man has brought him all these years, being told and being given approval by the ONE PERSON who means the most to you in the whole world? It must have utopic for Peter. To FINALLY be told that "it's ok" by the ONE person he cares for the most in this world, this one person who was now protected by Avengers Tower, this one person whom Peter would do ANYTHING for.

It might not have been the wisest decision, but add that feeling in with the knowledge that they're protected and the slight peer pressure from Tony to "do the right thing", and you can easily see how a man named Peter Parker made that decision.

And all of my reasoning comes from over 30 years of reading this character, andwhile that hardly makes me an expert, it certainly didn't seem "out of character" for him to do so, given those circumstances.

At least it didn't to me. And that's no joke.

Cheers... :yay:
 
Themanofbat said:
Sigh... I've been through this many times before, I suppose once more won't hurt
(PLEASE PAY ^%#^%#ING ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!)

First and formost, THE most important thing to Peter Parker has been and always will be his Aunt May. In the issues leading up to the unmasking, Peter was very nervous and hesitant and rightfully so, because as you said, of all the situations that he had been through.

HOWEVER, in this particular instance, he had the ONE thing that he had always craved yet never received: his Aunt May's blessing.

Peter Parker has spent a lifetime of being alone, and suffering the burden of being Spider-Man all alone. Sure, once MJ came into the picture with her knowledge, it probably lifted some weigth off Peter's shoulders, but the worries of Aunt May knowing who he was was still there.

So when Civil War started to play itself out, right away, Peter was targeted by Tony Stark (who recognized that IF he could get Spider-Man to unmask, the others should toe the line) and approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing". Peter still is hesitant and doesn't want to do it... until Aunt May tells him "it's ok".

Can you imagine after suffering ALONE all the heavy burdens being Spider-Man has brought him all these years, being told and being given approval by the ONE PERSON who means the most to you in the whole world? It must have utopic for Peter. To FINALLY be told that "it's ok" by the ONE person he cares for the most in this world, this one person who was now protected by Avengers Tower, this one person whom Peter would do ANYTHING for.

It might not have been the wisest decision, but add that feeling in with the knowledge that they're protected and the slight peer pressure from Tony to "do the right thing", and you can easily see how a man named Peter Parker made that decision.

And all of my reasoning comes from over 30 years of reading this character, andwhile that hardly makes me an expert, it certainly didn't seem "out of character" for him to do so, given those circumstances.

At least it didn't to me. And that's no joke.

Cheers... :yay:
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I respect your opinion on the unmasking....don't agree with it but what a boring world if we all agreed.....

...for me, your theory falls apart at the bolded text.....Tony Stark never once asked Pete to unmask....not in the Civil War mini, not in the ASM crossover, not in any crossover.....it was a grand gesture by Spidey.....Stark wanted him to register, an action that would have brought "zero" added danger to his loved ones (or at least not as much danger as the unmasking would bring)....that's all he had to do...register...Pete chose to go the extra mile and put his loved ones in more danger than they were currently....and like the unmasking, not like the unmasking....if it aint out of character, then it's single handedly the dumbest and most reckless thing Parker has ever done in his life
 
Themanofbat said:
Sigh... I've been through this many times before, I suppose once more won't hurt
(PLEASE PAY ^%#^%#ING ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!)

First and formost, THE most important thing to Peter Parker has been and always will be his Aunt May. In the issues leading up to the unmasking, Peter was very nervous and hesitant and rightfully so, because as you said, of all the situations that he had been through.

HOWEVER, in this particular instance, he had the ONE thing that he had always craved yet never received: his Aunt May's blessing.

Peter Parker has spent a lifetime of being alone, and suffering the burden of being Spider-Man all alone. Sure, once MJ came into the picture with her knowledge, it probably lifted some weigth off Peter's shoulders, but the worries of Aunt May knowing who he was was still there.

So when Civil War started to play itself out, right away, Peter was targeted by Tony Stark (who recognized that IF he could get Spider-Man to unmask, the others should toe the line) and approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing". Peter still is hesitant and doesn't want to do it... until Aunt May tells him "it's ok".

Can you imagine after suffering ALONE all the heavy burdens being Spider-Man has brought him all these years, being told and being given approval by the ONE PERSON who means the most to you in the whole world? It must have utopic for Peter. To FINALLY be told that "it's ok" by the ONE person he cares for the most in this world, this one person who was now protected by Avengers Tower, this one person whom Peter would do ANYTHING for.

It might not have been the wisest decision, but add that feeling in with the knowledge that they're protected and the slight peer pressure from Tony to "do the right thing", and you can easily see how a man named Peter Parker made that decision.

And all of my reasoning comes from over 30 years of reading this character, andwhile that hardly makes me an expert, it certainly didn't seem "out of character" for him to do so, given those circumstances.

At least it didn't to me. And that's no joke.

Cheers... :yay:
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Nice. But you left out all the reasons he would NEVER (under any circumstance) unmask. No matter what anyone told him, he would never do it by choice.

Let's just get the most obvious reason out of the way. Green Goblin and The Jekel. made his life hell the instant he learned of his secret identity. I doubt he ever would have imagined that revealing the identity to one bady would lead to the death of his first true love, the death of his baby and ubduction of his baby, a million dollar ransom being placed on his head, him getting cloned, ect. Now these are just two guys who learned of his identity and they did all this?! Do you really think Peter would really be willing to put his idemtity out there knowing this stuff could happen again?! You'd have to be kidding.

Now some people believe the reassurance of his family being protected in Avengers tower swayed him. They'd be protected so it's okay. Um... Yeah right. Just last week the Tracer, Man-Wolf, and Joy Stick broke into Avengers tower and caused some damage. These are instances he KNOWS about and before he evem revealed his identity. And let's not forget Morlun actually was able to kill him. I know people are trying to rationalise the Unmasking because it DID lead to some intriging stores, but give Peter a break. Some rationalisations severely imply that the boy Peter is remedial or something. And that would be the only thing that made sense. After years of getting knocked around by Doc Ock, Venom, and others the boy Peter finally started showing signs of those head shots sinking in. That's the only explanation for something this out of character. Peters become semi-******ed.

(So Pay $%%&#@ attention everybody!) This is just something Peter would NOT do. And you know what happened? King Pin (a villain who now knows Peter's identity) got his Aunt shot and she may die. This is clearly something a non ******ed Peter would have saw coming. I don't even see why he was mad about it. Duh, look what happened the times a villain unmasked you before! Not to mention Eddie Brock was damn near about to finish her off and there was nothing he could do about it.

Seriously, any sensible Peter Parker would never unmask willingly. "Joey Q Peter" obviously wants his loved ones to die because history has shown us this is exactly what will happen. That's why I take your post as a joke. What fan of Spider-man would really think he'd do something so obviously stupid?
 
Sloth7d said:
Nice. But you left out all the reasons he would NEVER (under any circumstance) unmask. No matter what anyone told him, he would never do it by choice.

Let's just get the most obvious reason out of the way. Green Goblin and The Jekel. made his life hell the instant he learned of his secret identity. I doubt he ever would have imagined that revealing the identity to one bady would lead to the death of his first true love, the death of his baby and ubduction of his baby, a million dollar ransom being placed on his head, him getting cloned, ect. Now these are just two guys who learned of his identity and they did all this?! Do you really think Peter would really be willing to put his idemtity out there knowing this stuff could happen again?! You'd have to be kidding.

Now some people believe the reassurance of his family being protected in Avengers tower swayed him. They'd be protected so it's okay. Um... Yeah right. Just last week the Tracer, Man-Wolf, and Joy Stick broke into Avengers tower and caused some damage. These are instances he KNOWS about and before he evem revealed his identity. And let's not forget Morlun actually was able to kill him. I know people are trying to rationalise the Unmasking because it DID lead to some intriging stores, but give Peter a break. Some rationalisations severely imply that the boy Peter is remedial or something. And that would be the only thing that made sense. After years of getting knocked around by Doc Ock, Venom, and others the boy Peter finally started showing signs of those head shots sinking in. That's the only explanation for something this out of character. Peters become semi-******ed.

(So Pay $%%&#@ attention everybody!) This is just something Peter would NOT do. And you know what happened? King Pin (a villain who now knows Peter's identity) got his Aunt shot and she may die. This is clearly something a non ******ed Peter would have saw coming. I don't even see why he was mad about it. Duh, look what happened the times a villain unmasked you before! Not to mention Eddie Brock was damn near about to finish her off and there was nothing he could do about it.

Seriously, any sensible Peter Parker would never unmask willingly. "Joey Q Peter" obviously wants his loved ones to die because history has shown us this is exactly what will happen. That's why I take your post as a joke. What fan of Spider-man would really think he'd do something so obviously stupid?
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Well, as I tried to explain in my last post, under the weigth lifting circumstances that Peter was facing, and we can only imagine how uplifting it was to Peter to have his Aunt's blessings, he did indeed make a bad decision. But Peter has made bad decisions before under different circumstances, and obviously, with something as euphoric as his Aunt May's blessing, he clearly didn't really think it through.

And that's all I'm trying to say... I obviously don't believe he made the decision, but I can understand how he came to make it.

'Nuff said.

:yay:
 
WhatIfTales said:
I respect your opinion on the unmasking....don't agree with it but what a boring world if we all agreed.....

...for me, your theory falls apart at the bolded text.....Tony Stark never once asked Pete to unmask....not in the Civil War mini, not in the ASM crossover, not in any crossover.....it was a grand gesture by Spidey.....Stark wanted him to register, an action that would have brought "zero" added danger to his loved ones (or at least not as much danger as the unmasking would bring)....that's all he had to do...register...Pete chose to go the extra mile and put his loved ones in more danger than they were currently....and like the unmasking, not like the unmasking....if it aint out of character, then it's single handedly the dumbest and most reckless thing Parker has ever done in his life
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And I would agree that it was a reckless decision, but where is it written that Peter doesn'y make reckless decisions... unmasking to the Black Cat, revealing his identity to his friends while he had the flu, going after Doc Ock when he had a virus, etc...

And while Tony's pressure was probably just aiding in Peter not thinking straight, his Aunt May's blessing, in MY opinion, is what really made the decision a tad easier to make for Peter.

Cheers...

:yay:
 
Themanofbat said:
Sigh... I've been through this many times before, I suppose once more won't hurt
(PLEASE PAY ^%#^%#ING ATTENTION EVERYBODY!!!)

First and formost, THE most important thing to Peter Parker has been and always will be his Aunt May. In the issues leading up to the unmasking, Peter was very nervous and hesitant and rightfully so, because as you said, of all the situations that he had been through.

HOWEVER, in this particular instance, he had the ONE thing that he had always craved yet never received: his Aunt May's blessing.

Peter Parker has spent a lifetime of being alone, and suffering the burden of being Spider-Man all alone. Sure, once MJ came into the picture with her knowledge, it probably lifted some weigth off Peter's shoulders, but the worries of Aunt May knowing who he was was still there.

So when Civil War started to play itself out, right away, Peter was targeted by Tony Stark (who recognized that IF he could get Spider-Man to unmask, the others should toe the line) and approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing". Peter still is hesitant and doesn't want to do it... until Aunt May tells him "it's ok".

Can you imagine after suffering ALONE all the heavy burdens being Spider-Man has brought him all these years, being told and being given approval by the ONE PERSON who means the most to you in the whole world? It must have utopic for Peter. To FINALLY be told that "it's ok" by the ONE person he cares for the most in this world, this one person who was now protected by Avengers Tower, this one person whom Peter would do ANYTHING for.

It might not have been the wisest decision, but add that feeling in with the knowledge that they're protected and the slight peer pressure from Tony to "do the right thing", and you can easily see how a man named Peter Parker made that decision.

And all of my reasoning comes from over 30 years of reading this character, andwhile that hardly makes me an expert, it certainly didn't seem "out of character" for him to do so, given those circumstances.

At least it didn't to me. And that's no joke.

Cheers... :yay:
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I respectfully disagree with you, TMOB. I, too, have been reading Spidey all my life and know that the McFarlane years and beyond are not all there is to my favorite character. I never for once bought the idea that Peter unmasking was in character for him, based off of what I've always believed the character of Peter Parker to be.

The fact is that Aunt May was written out of character for even pressuring Peter to unmask in the first place. Given the time frame and circumstances regarding her knowledge of Peter as Spider-Man, she hardly qualifies as anyone that should be giving Peter advice about his alter-ego. She had no business to give him the go-ahead to unmask in the first place. Peter, of all people in the MU, should know better than to make such a completely selfish (yes, NOT selfless) decision that he KNEW would endanger his family. Just because he loves Aunt May doesn't mean that he should have thought it OK to put her in danger by agreeing with her nonsense. She ALREADY gave him her blessing to be Spider-Man when she first found out. He didn't need it again. She already gave him the "OK" beforehand! He ALREADY got her blessing!!!!

And any argument about them being "protected" at Avengers Tower is complete BS, in my opinion. Peter has seen first hand what villains are capable of and the lengths they will go to hurt people. Avengers Tower was not a safe haven for Peter or his family, and Peter should have known better. With the amount of danger he has been in, AND put others in, AND been the inadverdant cause of the death of several people based off of HIS decisions and/or inaction in over 40 years of comicdom, PETER PARKER should have known better.

Tony Stark was certainly not a father figure to Peter, their relationship was written at worst like a boss to an employee; at best like a mentor to a child... and I'm sorry, but Peter Parker is no child. They weren't friends, and given the amount of time (in the MU), you're talking about months (MAYBE) of a relationship, not YEARS. For Peter to jump whenever Tony asked him to just didn't make sense from a character standpoint.

The unmasking had nothing to do with Peter Parker, Aunt May, MJ, Tony stark, or the MU. It had to do with SHOCK GIMMICK and SALES. Period. And for that, I will never forgive JQ, Dan Buckley, Alfoso whatever-the-Hell his name is, or any other countless employees at Marvel who had a hand in the decision to crap all over my favorite character. I haven't bought a Spider-Man comic in a few years now... and I don't think I will be again any time soon. I have such seething hatred for what they have done to Spider-Man, the only fictional character that I have ever held dear to my heart, in the last few years that no amount of great stories are going to make it better until the leadership at Marvel changes and they stop making MY favorite character a sales gimmick. Peter Parker and his cast deserve better than that.

And so do we. :o
 
Themanofbat said:
And I would agree that it was a reckless decision, but where is it written that Peter doesn'y make reckless decisions... unmasking to the Black Cat, revealing his identity to his friends while he had the flu, going after Doc Ock when he had a virus, etc...

And while Tony's pressure was probably just aiding in Peter not thinking straight, his Aunt May's blessing, in MY opinion, is what really made the decision a tad easier to make for Peter.

Cheers...

:yay:
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She already gave Peter her blessing when she first found out.
 
I'll be making my final judgment after I read all of OMD...
 
USMC said:
She already gave Peter her blessing when she first found out.
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Aloha,
Spider-Man-Black and Blue and Red all over.This book attempts to explain why Peter felt it was okay to unmask.He did get the blessing from Aunt May. Both MJ and especially Aunt May felt that Peter deserved to be recognized for all of the good that he had done throughout the years.Tony didn't ask Peter to unmask, just support the Registration.Peter felt to support the Registration in total, meant letting the world know who he was and why Super Heroes should not be feared.In hindsight-DUMB MOVE. MJ and Aunt May also realized after the fact that Spider-Man can never reveal who he is.All of those years of worrying about his identity were valid.Unmasking proved it.Now let's see how it works itself out.Everyonme's talking about Dr Strange, but I'm still waiting for Wanda to get House of M in order. One thing should affect the other.
Spidey rules
 
I just meant that May already gave peter her blessing to BE Spider-Man before the CW even got going.

And MJ was terrorized by Venom, etc; why would she suddenly think it was a great idea for the world to know the good Peter's done when she herself knows first hand what it means when one of Peter's enemies knows his identity?

No matter how it's written, it didn't make sense. Aunt May.... MAYBE. Simply because she had no real experience being on the receiving end of one of Peter's villains (knowing his identity and her knowing they know). But MJ?

Absurd.:whatever:

Oh, and I'm going to try and download your books, DT, finally! :D
 
USMC said:
Tony Stark was certainly not a father figure to Peter, their relationship was written at worst like a boss to an employee; at best like a mentor to a child... and I'm sorry, but Peter Parker is no child. They weren't friends, and given the amount of time (in the MU), you're talking about months (MAYBE) of a relationship, not YEARS. For Peter to jump whenever Tony asked him to just didn't make sense from a character standpoint.
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Peter didn't jump at anything Tony said as far as I'm concerned (I'd like to see those issues where he does that), and Peter & Tony have known each other as Spider-Man & Iron Man for YEARS, similarly to Spidey's realtionship with Cap, so identities need not be known to know what they're like as individuals... and I never said anything about Tony being a "father figure"... you came up with that based on whatever crap was being spewed on the internet about their relationship at the time... I did say and I quote... "approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing"... so I never acknowleded nor admitted anything about a father figure. I saw it as it's always been presented: two long time crime fighters who have fought alongside each other for a long time (other than the Human Torch, Iron Man made the most appearancess in the original 150 issue run of Marvel Team Up); hence Peter's respect as a longtime friend and peer.

Sorry man, but you put words in my mouth.

Cheers... :yay:
 
Themanofbat said:
Peter didn't jump at anything Tony said as far as I'm concerned (I'd like to see those issues where he does that), and Peter & Tony have known each other as Spider-Man & Iron Man for YEARS, similarly to Spidey's realtionship with Cap, so identities need not be known to know what they're like as individuals... and I never said anything about Tony being a "father figure"... you came up with that based on whatever crap was being spewed on the internet about their relationship at the time... I did say and I quote... "approached by Tony AS A FRIEND AND PEER (in the crime fighting world) and basically was told to "do the right thing"... so I never acknowleded nor admitted anything about a father figure. I saw it as it's always been presented: two long time crime fighters who have fought alongside each other for a long time (other than the Human Torch, Iron Man made the most appearancess in the original 150 issue run of Marvel Team Up); hence Peter's respect as a longtime friend and peer.

Sorry man, but you put words in my mouth.

Cheers... :yay:
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No, no... you misunderstand me. I was comparing the "best and worst" of their relationship from what I have understood it to be, not from anything you have inferred. I use that term loosely, simply because of Tony being older and from, in my own life experiences, that friends of that age can also be seen as a "father figure" as well. Just my own take on the relationship, not yours or anyone else's.

In any case, I still have never seen them as friends of any sort. Crime fighters for years, but not friends. Respect can be had between two people who are not friends.

And that still doesn't adress any of the other points I made as to why I think the unmasking was a load of crap. I'm not one of those people that cry "Peter would NEVER unmask!", I just don't believe that these specific circumstances were a good enough reason to. Had the unmasking been written with intent to entertain us and make us think, and not as another shocking sales driven gimmick, then I might think otherwise about it today.

Anyhow, not here to argue over it, I know better than that with you TMOB ;) , just stating my own belief on the subject that happens to disagree with yours.

Cheers back at ya. ;)
 
JJJ's Ulcer said:
Whenever I see someone on the internet preaching "death" for a guy who works in comics, it always scares me, because I never quite know whether they're kidding or not. Even as a joke, it's kind of tasteless.

For me personally? I think Joe Q has been a very mixed bag. Some great creators and stories have occurred under his reign, but there's been many events and decisions I'm unhappy about. Overall, I think it's time for him to make way for new blood. But I don't hate him as apparently others do.
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A blood clot would do, just something to remove his involvement from the books.
 
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