Comics Joey Q Fired or Stay as EIC?

[Dangerous]

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[Kaizer104]

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Awesome! Thank you very much. I'll try to find the comic there when I can. One More Day sounds like something I have to read; along with Back in Black.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would have him stay away,there is no doubt he did some good things for the character..but now,he's ripping the character and his history to bits.

 

[ragingdemon155]

It's almost as if the guy tries a bit too hard to make his mark on the business. If it were up to me he would have been gone a long time ago. Every single decision that he has made on Spider-man for the last couple of years has been a bad one imo. Ok, maybe not EVERY decision, but just about..lol

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Joey needs to get a sex life at home.

Then he can stop RAPING Pete.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Joey needs to get a sex life at home.

Then he can stop RAPING Pete.

Amen to that...

 

[SpideyInATree]

Haven't been here in two months and NOTHING changes, hahahahahaha!!!! t:

WAH WAH WAH Joe Quesada ruined my Spider-Man, Boo hoo hoo!!!

Everyone knows where my vote went. You keep Quesada for now. Why? It's pretty damn obvious why. Because the guy does the job well!

Spider-Man is but ONE character in the large melting pot of colorful characters Marvel has. At the same time he's the "Superman/Batman" for Marvel. He's the head dude when it comes to popularity and being known by the general public. So, what do you do? You gotta make the character evolve.

You've got three extremely well done Spider-Man movies out now and they KILLED at the box office. Spider-Man popularity is at an all time high, if you ask me. So, is Joe Quesada going to say, "Hmmm, lets have Spider-Man fight The Shocker for the 20th time". No, he's willing to try something different.

Whether it be Gwen Stacy twins who are the bastard children of Norman Osborn. Or whether it be Spider-Man revealing to the world that he's, in fact, Peter Parker...the guy has guts. And whether you enjoyed those storylines I mentioned is entirely your own taste. If bastard Osborn twins was your bag, so be it. Even I thought that was stupid. But the unmasking has been what has made the Spider-Man comics absolute intense and pulse pounding to read for the past 6 to 7 months.

And considering that about 41 people want him fired out of 51 people I'm really glad that none of those 41 people DO NOT work in the business world. Well, maybe some of them do, haha. And if they do I wonder to myself how they run their business. Because if you were to fire Joe Quesada you'd be ******ed. Because he is willing to make bold decisions concerning the flagship character? He's willing to move forward instead of backwards? He took a comic company by the reigns during it's darkest time and took titles that nobody was reading and MADE THEM READABLE. You can say it was shock value or marketing all damn day! But the fact of the matter is that IT WORKED! Nobody was reading the Avengers five years ago. It was a low selling book. Now look what happened. You can say that Bendis did this and did that during his first story arc in New Avengers but LOOK WHERE THE BOOK IS AT NOW!!!!

How about Moon Knight? Immortal Iron Fist? Captain America? Daredevil? I mean, come on people. Outside of Spider-Man Quesada has put in place fantastic creative teams and elevated lesser known characters into positions where they can finally have great stories told.

I'm glad to be in the minority on this one. Because if you were to fire Quesada you'd be firing someone for DOING THEIR JOB! And that's just absolutely re-f'n-tarded.

 

[Mephisto]

Well, your idea of readable and my idea of readable are different.
Telling a two-issue story in six issues which cost $4 each ain't my idea of readable or reasonable.

And those of us who ARE in the business world know better than to alienate our long-term stockholders for merely the purpose of arrogance.

If he were fired, it wouldn't be for doing his job, it would be for pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Ok, it's not your bag then. Don't lay down the money for it if you don't like it. Nobody is telling you that you have to.

And Quesada isn't alienating anybody. He's taking the character forward instead of backward. You can't please EVERYBODY when it comes to something like a comic book.

And Quesada is Editor In Chief of Marvel Comics, not just Editor In Chief of Spider-Man. There is an editor that is JUST for the Spider-Man comics and in the seven years THAT editor was in power you didn't hear ONE PERSON complain about that editor and his name is Axel Alonso.

But he's gone and we have Steve Wacker editing the Spider-Man comics.

Let's put it this way...most of the people always shift the blame to the big dog. Quesada. Just like when people get mad at their lives they blame their boss. They blame the president. They blame their parents. Whoever is in that public eye and making the statements...he's the one who is going to get the backlash.

At this point Joe Quesada could cure cancer and there are people here who would hate him for it because it's just THAT bad. And having people sit around disliking a man because he doesn't make a few decisions that you like about Spider-Man, it's just absolutely ludacris that someone feels that way. Especially people who are grown adults with jobs and their own lives, haha. There are a lot worse things in this world to focus your negative energy on than a guy who edits Marvel comics.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

And Quesada is Editor In Chief of Marvel Comics, not just Editor In Chief of Spider-Man. There is an editor that is JUST for the Spider-Man comics and in the seven years THAT editor was in power you didn't hear ONE PERSON complain about that editor and his name is Axel Alonso.

Bull. I just complained about Axel a day or two ago. And have done so dozens of times over the years. And I see people complaining about him all the time as well. I think they complain about Joe Q more because he's usually the "brain" behind all the mega-events like The Other or One More Day. That's not Axel's doing. But he is responsible for all the continuity errors and basically just sleeping on the job. I'm not sure what the hell Axel does... maybe he looks out for bad grammar.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I think they complain about Joe Q more because he's usually the "brain" behind all the mega-events like The Other or One More Day. .

I know...I said that in the post you quoted from.

 

[Guybrush]

Spider-Man is but ONE character in the large melting pot of colorful characters Marvel has. At the same time he's the "Superman/Batman" for Marvel. He's the head dude when it comes to popularity and being known by the general public. So, what do you do? You gotta make the character evolve.

You've got three extremely well done Spider-Man movies out now and they KILLED at the box office. Spider-Man popularity is at an all time high, if you ask me. So, is Joe Quesada going to say, "Hmmm, lets have Spider-Man fight The Shocker for the 20th time". No, he's willing to try something different.

But thats just the thing, Quesada doesn't want Spider-Man to evolve, he want to take him 20 years back. Thats what people complain about, how is reading about Aunt May dying (again...) is evolving the character? Or magiclly making the marriage disappear? Of course OMD isn't done yet and we don't know what will happen, but right now it doesn't seems like the character is gonna evolve anywhere.

Mind you making Peter Parker a clone is also something different, doesn't make it good.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

And Quesada is Editor In Chief of Marvel Comics, not just Editor In Chief of Spider-Man. There is an editor that is JUST for the Spider-Man comics and in the seven years THAT editor was in power you didn't hear ONE PERSON complain about that editor and his name is Axel Alonso.

But he's gone and we have Steve Wacker editing the Spider-Man comics.

Actually both myself, and a fellow Hypester, Donald Thomas, were pretty vocal about Alonso and his (lack of) editing these past few years...

 

[Themanofbat]

And in Joe Fridays #41 in which I asked Joe y Q who edits the Spidey books (on account of the Reilley/Fitzgerald maiden name mistake), Alonso admits to making a mistake on that one.

Maybe he should have apologized for a few more along the way...

 

[Dangerous]

Everyone knows where my vote went. You keep Quesada for now. Why? It's pretty damn obvious why. Because the guy does the job well!

He does his job well in all areas bar maintaining the legitimacy of the current Spider-Man comics in comparison to the standards that were set over the last four decades by previous creators and EIC’s.
Unless of course you gauge the sole value of Spider-Man comics as a business and nothing more.

Spider-Man is but ONE character in the large melting pot of colorful characters Marvel has. At the same time he's the "Superman/Batman" for Marvel. He's the head dude when it comes to popularity and being known by the general public. So, what do you do? You gotta make the character evolve.

I agree.
Unfortunately however, it seems Quesada does not want Spider-Man to evolve.

You've got three extremely well done Spider-Man movies out now and they KILLED at the box office.

Well,- Two that are recognised as being well made, one that is recognised as a complete suck fest.
Get it right.

Whether it be Gwen Stacy twins who are the bastard children of Norman Osborn. Or whether it be Spider-Man revealing to the world that he's, in fact, Peter Parker...the guy has guts.

Not guts, he just does not understand the standards that have come to define Marvel comics and Spider-Man. Principally among these are the issues of continuity and characterisation. Joe Quesada does not have guts. He might be a great business man, but where the Spider-Man books are concerned he is a ****** and a hack.

And whether you enjoyed those storylines I mentioned is entirely your own taste. If bastard Osborn twins was your bag, so be it. Even I thought that was stupid. But the unmasking has been what has made the Spider-Man comics absolute intense and pulse pounding to read for the past 6 to 7 months.

I’m glad you enjoyed them, but for me the unmasking was just yet another woefully idiotic and out of character development further highlighting just how out of touch the editorial are from understanding who Peter Parker is. There is a good reason why Spidey never previously revealed his secret id,- and that is because he has always been fully aware of the ramifications. Considering that Peter’s intelligence level is rated at 4 - Gifted there is no way he could ever have been influenced by a confident (whom his affiliation w/ had only existed a short time) to reveal his greatest secret to the world.

It is an insult to long time readers to suggest Peter could be so dumb when we all know how intelligent he is. After all he has seen in his career as Spider-Man, and having experienced May and MJ occasionally being in danger from his enemies there is no way he would EVER think it would be a good idea to tell the world who he was.

And considering that about 41 people want him fired out of 51 people I'm really glad that none of those 41 people DO NOT work in the business world. Well, maybe some of them do, haha. And if they do I wonder to myself how they run their business. Because if you were to fire Joe Quesada you'd be ******ed.

In a business sense yes, that seems to be what you care about most, but I could not give a f**k about that. Marvel has enough money now from the movies and licensing deals to never come into financial difficulty again. If you care about the status quo of 616 Spider-Man then firing Joe Q would be a good idea because he sure don’t seem to care about it or understand the character.

Because he is willing to make bold decisions concerning the flagship character?

Out of character decisions that make no sense, arcs that claim to fit into past continuity yet do not at all- therefore pissing on the principles that Marvel comics and Spider-Man have come to be recognised for?
Yes I have a BIG problem w/ these things.

He's willing to move forward instead of backwards?

I see no evidence of this on the Spider-Man books and that is all I care about.
If anything it seems almost certain that Joe Q is hell-bent on sending Spider-Man comics 20 years into the past before he was married and instead a care free post grad.

He took a comic company by the reigns during it's darkest time and took titles that nobody was reading and MADE THEM READABLE. You can say it was shock value or marketing all damn day! But the fact of the matter is that IT WORKED! Nobody was reading the Avengers five years ago. It was a low selling book. Now look what happened. You can say that Bendis did this and did that during his first story arc in New Avengers but LOOK WHERE THE BOOK IS AT NOW!!!!

How about Moon Knight? Immortal Iron Fist? Captain America? Daredevil? I mean, come on people. Outside of Spider-Man Quesada has put in place fantastic creative teams and elevated lesser known characters into positions where they can finally have great stories told.

We all know this, but we don’t care.
This is Spider-Man we are talking about.
So he did a great job on those other books, he should just stick to them and get the f**k off Spidey.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Here's what i think;

I think Joe has proven his strengths lie in other areas. There's no question he's been GREAT for Marvel as a whole.

But i agree that Spidey isnt really "his thing".

He should just turn the direction of Spider-Man completely over to Steve Wacker and Dan Slott, and let them do their magic...

At least try that for a bit, and see how it goes.

 

[Dangerous]

Here's what i think;

I think Joe has proven his strengths lie in other areas. There's no question he's been GREAT for Marvel as a whole.

But i agree that Spidey isnt really "his thing".

He should just turn the direction of Spider-Man completely over to Steve Wacker and Dan Slott, and let them do their magic...

At least try that for a bit, and see how it goes.

Agreed.
Then it truly will be a brand new day.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Here's what i think;

I think Joe has proven his strengths lie in other areas. There's no question he's been GREAT for Marvel as a whole.

But i agree that Spidey isnt really "his thing".

He should just turn the direction of Spider-Man completely over to Steve Wacker and Dan Slott, and let them do their magic...

At least try that for a bit, and see how it goes.

Give this man a prize!!....not a big prize though, school's back and the kids are breaking my bank

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

This is Spider-Man we are talking about.
So he did a great job on those other books, he should just stick to them and get the f**k off Spidey.

Your entire post was excellent. Good job at refuting the hyperbole of the tree-dweller.

 

[Dangerous]

Your entire post was excellent. Good job at refuting the hyperbole of the tree-dweller.

I know and thank you.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Here's what i think;

I think Joe has proven his strengths lie in other areas. There's no question he's been GREAT for Marvel as a whole.

But i agree that Spidey isnt really "his thing".

He should just turn the direction of Spider-Man completely over to Steve Wacker and Dan Slott, and let them do their magic...

At least try that for a bit, and see how it goes.

Aloha,
That's the way I've always felt about the man. He proved his worth with the Marvel Knights imprint many years ago. He's great for Marvel in general, but he does not have the true grasp\ of Spidey as a complete character.That Slott is now on Amazing as well as the focus being just on Amazing, it shows that the powers above Joe Q. have finally begun to see the light. It is very likely that Wacker and Slott will be unofficially running things with Spidey as time goes by.
Spidey rules

 

[USMC]

And Quesada isn't alienating anybody. He's taking the character forward instead of backward. You can't please EVERYBODY when it comes to something like a comic book.

He's pretty much admitted time and time again that he wants Peter Parker to be the way he was before he was married.

How is taking Spider-Man "back to basics" moving him forward?

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

He's pretty much admitted time and time again that he wants Peter Parker to be the way he was before he was married.

How is taking Spider-Man "back to basics" moving him forward?

Simple... it is moving him forward in Bizarro World...

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Backwards is the new forwards!

 

[iloveclones]

Here's what i think;

I think Joe has proven his strengths lie in other areas. There's no question he's been GREAT for Marvel as a whole.

But i agree that Spidey isnt really "his thing".

He should just turn the direction of Spider-Man completely over to Steve Wacker and Dan Slott, and let them do their magic...

At least try that for a bit, and see how it goes.

Cap, you said in a few sentences what this thread has devoted paragraph after paragraph. And I'm a real big fan of elegance and conciseness.

I've never been put off when someone tries something different, which is why I've always loved the clone saga, warts and all. BUT, you got to know when to back off a little. And for the spiderititles, it's been one thing after another. Me, I've absolutely loved it. I love the excitement and energy it's brought to the titles. But I can see how people wouldn't.