Comics Joey Q Fired or Stay as EIC?

[shinlyle]

He's pretty much admitted time and time again that he wants Peter Parker to be the way he was before he was married.

How is taking Spider-Man "back to basics" moving him forward?

Preach it.

Taking Spider-man back to the way he USED to be is called "regression".
Moving Spider-Man FORWARD would be called "progression".

The thing is, Joe Q has done some good...but I liked things alot better before he started trying to shake thigns up. The Avengers line-up was awesome (not the Marvel Justice League, as it has become now), the X-Men...well, they're books have been a nightmare for about 20 years, so no change there, and Spidey was married and teaching and progressing nicely, then here comes Joey Q like a freakin' train wreck. Next thing you know, Spidey is the comic relief for the Avengers, has bone-claws and wears a damned Clown suit.

Yeah, Axel Alonso should have caught some of the major continuity glitches of the past few years (Spidey's webs lasting for years, Spidey having to get new powers for him to stick any part of his body to things, Peter having a car, Peter's reason for ditching the black suit, ALL of Sins Past, I'll stop there), but when the EDITOR-IN-CHIEF tells you he wants something done, then you're pretty much going to have to get in line. Also, I believe it was Joey Q himself that once said that he's rather just have "great storytellers tell great stories and not worry about continuity". So...there you go.

Joey Q isn't the SOLE reason for the shape of the Spidey titles, but he is the source of it. He would rather have a big event that generates mega-sales than to have consistent and awesome stories that the fans loved. Marvel as a whole (AND DC, as of late), has a profit-base that hinges on the ability to keep fans movie from one big event to the next. Avengers Dissassembled begat House of M which begat Civil War which begat World War Hulk and One More Day which will beget X-Men Dissassembled and Brand New Day...)and DC fans, Identity Crisis begat Countdown which begat Infinite Crisis which begat ANOTHER Countdown...and....I'm just not interested in it...sorry)

But what happens when people lose their taste for this crossover/summer event/crap? Sales will sag, weaknesses in stories and poor plot lines and decisions made about characters will be evident....then the industry will hit another low-point and implode, much like it did in the late nineties.

But, hey, it's all good, right?

I'm just hoping that, when all is said and done, the industry can survive this "event-age" of comics, and get back to something enjoyable that doesn't revolve around "shock and awe".

 

[USMC]

X-Men Dissassembled?

That's some kind of sick joke, right?

 

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

X-Men Dissassembled?

That's some kind of sick joke, right?

No. No it is not.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/818/818620p1.html

 

[USMC]

Yuck... Glad I stopped reading X-Men many many moons ago.:heart:

 

[KangConquers]

Also, I believe it was Joey Q himself that once said that he's rather just have "great storytellers tell great stories and not worry about continuity". So...there you go.

Which is fine; but why can't they do it in non-canon Graphic Novels?

 

[shinlyle]

Which is fine; but why can't they do it in non-canon Graphic Novels?

Exactly! Why not let the writers just contribute stories to Spider-Man Family or Marvel Adventures Spider-man or the upcoming Marvel Comics Presents series instead of trying to mes sup a pretty tight continuity?

 

[Doc Destruction]

Haven't been here in two months and NOTHING changes, hahahahahaha!!!! t:

Gosh and we sure did miss BRILLIANT posts from you like this gem!

 

[shinlyle]

Gosh and we sure did miss BRILLIANT posts from you like this gem!

I was thinking, "He was gone two months, and he comes back to post the same thing he did before he left".

 

[iloveclones]

As opposed to wandering into the Spidey forums and hearing two months worth of the same complaint over, and over, and over....

 

[Dangerous]

They should start making better comics then.
As for your sig- spiderfan.org is the best.

 

[shinlyle]

As opposed to wandering into the Spidey forums and hearing two months worth of the same complaint over, and over, and over....

When it's a problem they have yet to fix, I'd say that it remains a valid point. Besides, if he doesn't like the conversation or the topic of the thread, then he could, oh, I don't know, NOT post? It's a thought.

 

[Spydernorbs]

spiderfan.org is the best.

Agreed.

 

[iloveclones]

When it's a problem they have yet to fix, I'd say that it remains a valid point. Besides, if he doesn't like the conversation or the topic of the thread, then he could, oh, I don't know, NOT post? It's a thought.

Spideyinatree has just as much right to be obnoxious on these forums as everyone else is. (Sorry SIAT)

 

[iloveclones]

They should start making better comics then.
As for your sig- spiderfan.org is the best.

I checked it out and I like Samruby better. Nice site though.

 

[Doc Destruction]

As opposed to wandering into the Spidey forums and hearing two months worth of the same complaint over, and over, and over....

You're wrong here. It's not the same complaint. It's VERY valid complaints on MANY different changes that have been made to Spider-Man over the years.

Each one different, 90% of them crap, and all valid. So, SIAT is wrong. Again. Shocking.

 

[iloveclones]

You're wrong here. It's not the same complaint. It's VERY valid complaints on MANY different changes that have been made to Spider-Man over the years.

Each one different, 90% of them crap, and all valid. So, SIAT is wrong. Again. Shocking.

I disagree. It's all a matter of taste.

Seriously Doc. We've argued about things from time, almost never see eye-eye. That doesn't mean that your view is crap and mine is righteous. Or vice-versa. If it's not your cup of tea, I don't want to drag you into something you don't enjoy. I hate wasting my own money, I certainly don't want to waste yours. But why do some of you guys spend so much time trying to convince us that our taste is so bad? Let us have our bad taste.

 

[Themanofbat]

samruby's site is THE best Spidey site on the 'net...

'Nuff Said!

 

[Dangerous]

I checked it out and I like Samruby better. Nice site though.

My preference is for spiderfan because of the comprehensive character index.
Sam Ruby is a fine site also though.

 

[SpideyInATree]

He does his job well in all areas bar maintaining the legitimacy of the current Spider-Man comics in comparison to the standards that were set over the last four decades by previous creators and EIC’s.
Unless of course you gauge the sole value of Spider-Man comics as a business and nothing more.

I agree.
Unfortunately however, it seems Quesada does not want Spider-Man to evolve.

Well,- Two that are recognised as being well made, one that is recognised as a complete suck fest.
Get it right.

Not guts, he just does not understand the standards that have come to define Marvel comics and Spider-Man. Principally among these are the issues of continuity and characterisation. Joe Quesada does not have guts. He might be a great business man, but where the Spider-Man books are concerned he is a ****** and a hack.

I’m glad you enjoyed them, but for me the unmasking was just yet another woefully idiotic and out of character development further highlighting just how out of touch the editorial are from understanding who Peter Parker is. There is a good reason why Spidey never previously revealed his secret id,- and that is because he has always been fully aware of the ramifications. Considering that Peter’s intelligence level is rated at 4 - Gifted there is no way he could ever have been influenced by a confident (whom his affiliation w/ had only existed a short time) to reveal his greatest secret to the world.

It is an insult to long time readers to suggest Peter could be so dumb when we all know how intelligent he is. After all he has seen in his career as Spider-Man, and having experienced May and MJ occasionally being in danger from his enemies there is no way he would EVER think it would be a good idea to tell the world who he was.

In a business sense yes, that seems to be what you care about most, but I could not give a f**k about that. Marvel has enough money now from the movies and licensing deals to never come into financial difficulty again. If you care about the status quo of 616 Spider-Man then firing Joe Q would be a good idea because he sure don’t seem to care about it or understand the character.

Out of character decisions that make no sense, arcs that claim to fit into past continuity yet do not at all- therefore pissing on the principles that Marvel comics and Spider-Man have come to be recognised for?
Yes I have a BIG problem w/ these things.

I see no evidence of this on the Spider-Man books and that is all I care about.
If anything it seems almost certain that Joe Q is hell-bent on sending Spider-Man comics 20 years into the past before he was married and instead a care free post grad.

We all know this, but we don’t care.
This is Spider-Man we are talking about.
So he did a great job on those other books, he should just stick to them and get the f**k off Spidey.

I am gauging on a business level. I'm also gauging it on a creative level too. Because that's part of Quesada's job. It's business and creativity. He has to sell comic books and, at the same time, do something creative with the character to keep fans entertained. Both new fans and traditional fans.

The guy has been doing this job since...what?...2000? That's about seven years to eight years, right? And your saying "he just does not understand the standards that have come to define Marvel comics and Spider-Man. Principally among these are the issues of continuity and characterisation." Yet YOU do, right?

That sucks that you have no enjoyment out of the unmasking storyline. You, and others, seem to be "insulted". I don't really see what's so insulting about it. The storyline, which is STILL going on, has been handled very well and with lots of care. We've gotten tons of exciting and fantastic stories and character moments out of it. How about those stories by Peter David and Todd Nauck in FNSM? Peter, Betty, Flash, Deb Whitman, JJJ, Robbie Robertson. All playing off of the unmasking. Sensational Spider-Man has been nothing BUT sensational, living up to it's name. I've been reading a ton of great stories through and through. I wish you could be reading the same thing I am.

I'm seriously not being a dick here. I really want to know the answers to this to see what you really think. But what are these principles that Joe Quesada is "apparently" pissing on? I mean I don't see how he's pissing on anything by trying to make The Amazing Spider-Man an accessible comic book to new and traditional readers. Which is what he's trying to do.

As I said before I am looking at it from a business standpoint, yes. He was good for business and assisted in elevating the company out of the crapper. The good comic movies gave him some assistance. It wasn't ALL him. He's not some comic God or genius, haha. Don't get me wrong. But he definitely has made some HUGE leaps in the world of Marvel and some excellent decisions with creative talent and placement on titles and characters. But, as I've said earlier as well, I'm looking at it creatively. And, when it comes to the ol' webhead, minus the horridness of Sins Past and The Other I don't really see what the big deal is. I haven't seen Peter written out of character. I haven't seen ANYBODY written out of character. I've seen one very long built up storyline that is about to culminate into something huge with One More Day....HOPEFULLY, hahaha! Most of you guys and gals could be right, it could be an anti-climatic dud. But maybe it won't be. It's peaked my interests to the fullest and namely because of the exciting stories from the unmasking.

Yes, he did do a great job on a ton of other Marvel books. And him messing up on Spider-Man comics is YOUR opinion. Just as I don't think he's messed up Spider-Man comics is MY opinion. Firing a guy because you think he "messed up" your favorite comic character is pretty low. He's done a ton for the company besides Spider-Man comics. If we all actually sat down and weighed out what he's done with the entire Marvel line as opposed to JUST Spider-Man there would be valued evidence to KEEP him as the Editor in Chief.

Dislike what you want. I'm not here to change your mind. I just think it's a little under handed and a little bit of a knee jerk reaction to fire a guy because people think he messed up a character, when he really hasn't. He just hasn't done with the character that you and the 40 plus others have a vision for.

I'm having a really good time reading Spider-Man right now and with Dan Slott and Steve McNiven taking over after One More Day I don't know HOW you can't be excited to be a Spider-Man fan. I really can't!! t:

 

[Doc Destruction]

I disagree. It's all a matter of taste.

Seriously Doc. We've argued about things from time, almost never see eye-eye. That doesn't mean that your view is crap and mine is righteous. Or vice-versa. If it's not your cup of tea, I don't want to drag you into something you don't enjoy. I hate wasting my own money, I certainly don't want to waste yours. But why do some of you guys spend so much time trying to convince us that our taste is so bad? Let us have our bad taste.

Fair enough, I can't argue subjectivity. /hand shake

My point, however, was that the complaints aren't always the same complaints. Organic webs, the Other, Sins Past...those are THREE different complaints.

SIAT's arguments always stay the same, though. Complaining about complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

But ruining the Flagship character is reason enough... It's like Making Mickey act out of character and become the mouse counterpart of Dr. House... But Joe Q's turneing Peter Parker into Peter Griffin...
Well maybe he shouldn't be fired, but he must stop raping Spidey...

 

[Dangerous]

I am gauging on a business level. I'm also gauging it on a creative level too. Because that's part of Quesada's job. It's business and creativity. He has to sell comic books and, at the same time, do something creative with the character to keep fans entertained. Both new fans and traditional fans.

First of all you have to decide which side of the fence you are arguing from- you either care about Spider-Man comics and their sales figures, or you care about the validity of the story’s currently being told and their ramifications on the Spidey mythos. You can’t argue both sides because the two angles conflict each other- crap out of character/illogical arcs can get printed and sell by the bucket load,- but that don’t validate them as well written Spider-Man comics.

The stuff that is getting churned out now while maybe good for sales in the short term, is not creative and is doing nothing to take Spidey in a meaningful direction, that under a better writer/EIC ASM and co should have been headed by now. I only care about the legitimacy of the current story lines, not the sales figures for ASM. Marvel has a huge revenue and lets face it- Spidey’s core title is not going to be getting the boot anytime soon.

Like I said on a business level you can’t question what he has done for Marvel comics. He turned the company’s comic sector around. However considering the success of the movies and this general revitalization of the comics market- I am sure the Spider-titles would be doing just as well- if not better if he were not in charge. Sure the ultimate line was great for making comics assessable to new comers, but ASM and the core titles do not require his misguided direction.

Marvel has made so much money this decade from movies and other media that not having Quesada on the core Spider-Man titles would not spell their doom. If instead the emphasis since ASM#509 had been on quality story telling instead of JMS/JQ’s s-hity shock arcs,-long-time fans would be a lot happier and the readership a lot more stable.

Those reading would all be there for the great continuing story they had come to expect from the Spider-titles, instead of a significant percentage of the current readership no doubt just along for the next big hyped ride,- soon to drop off once these cheesy shock arcs cease.

The guy has been doing this job since...what?...2000? That's about seven years to eight years, right? And your saying "he just does not understand the standards that have come to define Marvel comics and Spider-Man. Principally among these are the issues of continuity and characterisation." Yet YOU do, right?

Yes I understand them perfectly- it’s not that hard to.
Perhaps JQ does actually too, but if that’s the case- he sure don’t care about them.

That sucks that you have no enjoyment out of the unmasking storyline. You, and others, seem to be "insulted". I don't really see what's so insulting about it.

Like I already explained- Peter’s intelligence level is number 4- gifted.

This basically means he is a brainiac, one level below genius in the official marvel handbook- see Read Richards. Considering this, and the amount of carnage Peter has witnessed during his superhero career, AND the life threatening situations that his family have sometimes been subjected to due to his enemies getting too close- It is an insult to suggest that Peter would ever reveal his secret ID.

After 40 years of Spider-Man comics, Once JQ becomes EIC it would be during his tenure that he decides Spider-Man would reveal his ID? That is BS I’m afraid- it would not happen.
Spider-man would not do that, bad characterization. It’s just JQ/JMS conceiving another dumb development for sake of spiking sales and nothing else.

We've gotten tons of exciting and fantastic stories and character moments out of it. How about those stories by Peter David and Todd Nauck in FNSM? Peter, Betty, Flash, Deb Whitman, JJJ, Robbie Robertson. All playing off of the unmasking. Sensational Spider-Man has been nothing BUT sensational, living up to it's name. I've been reading a ton of great stories through and through. I wish you could be reading the same thing I am.

There may have been some superficially entertaining situations and developments of supporting casts members relationships w/ Peter, but this was all built off the back of a implausible situation- Spider-Man unmasking.

For me I can’t ever fully enjoy the contents of a story unless the foundation is solid.
The BIB storyline did not have a solid foundation. The writer and editorial team are crap because they can’t think of an interesting, meaningful & legitimate direction to take Spidey in. The only way they can dream up exciting situations and story’s is to either invent things from the past that did not happen (SP) or… write Spidey out of character so that he is unmasking, and then showing the fallout.

I'm seriously not being a dick here. I really want to know the answers to this to see what you really think. But what are these principles that Joe Quesada is "apparently" pissing on?

See above.

As I said before I am looking at it from a business standpoint, yes. He was good for business and assisted in elevating the company out of the crapper. The good comic movies gave him some assistance. It wasn't ALL him. He's not some comic God or genius, haha. Don't get me wrong. But he definitely has made some HUGE leaps in the world of Marvel and some excellent decisions with creative talent and placement on titles and characters.

As I said I don’t care, I’m not here to contest that.

But, as I've said earlier as well, I'm looking at it creatively. And, when it comes to the ol' webhead, minus the horridness of Sins Past and The Other I don't really see what the big deal is. I haven't seen Peter written out of character. I haven't seen ANYBODY written out of character.

Out of character see- Spider-Man unmasking.

Yes, he did do a great job on a ton of other Marvel books. And him messing up on Spider-Man comics is YOUR opinion. Just as I don't think he's messed up Spider-Man comics is MY opinion. Firing a guy because you think he "messed up" your favourite comic character is pretty low. He's done a ton for the company besides Spider-Man comics. If we all actually sat down and weighed out what he's done with the entire Marvel line as opposed to JUST Spider-Man there would be valued evidence to KEEP him as the Editor in Chief.

This might be true of someone who reads all of Marvel’s books, and likes them equally but my main thing is Spidey- I don’t read anything else Marvel right now except Punisher. So if I were president I would remove his involvement from the Spider-titles.

If the choice was Joe Q stays on Spidey, or Joe gets fired as EIC I’d fire him, because like I said I don care for the other side of the fence.

people think he messed up a character, when he really hasn't.

By bulldozing so many hallmarks of Spider-Man, he has effectively severely compromised the integrity of the comics and what defined the character.

Implementing Organics- A lame marketing attempt to help dumb down/synchronize the comics w/ the films, thus removing Spider-Man’s self created device that more than anything else sticks in the mind and defines what a great scientist he is.

Sins Past- Inventing an affair involving Peter’s deceased gf and arch enemy.
Events that could not possibly fit into past continuity, and also showed that the defining traits of Gwen’s personality went entirely over JQ’s head. All done for the sole reason to cause a stir and spike sales.

The Other- Spidey ‘dies’ why?- just to cause a stir and spike sales. Then he comes back w/ spikes that shoot out of his wrists whenever he gets angry. Eventually kills his enemy. Good one guys. Oh wait- Spider-Man does not kill. I guess that one don’t matter either.

Unmasking- See above, again- JQ/JMS continuing to redefine Spider-Man out of character, writing him as who they think he is.
******s.

What’s next?- Possible dissolve of the marriage and a rewind of time ret conning who knows how many years of back issues which roughly translates into buying/reading them counting for jack.
If this possibility does play out,- you will no doubt claim it is ‘exciting’ and has not messed up Spider-Man comics.

Really- your argument has no legs.
Give it up.

I'm having a really good time reading Spider-Man right now and with Dan Slott and Steve McNiven taking over after One More Day I don't know HOW you can't be excited to be a Spider-Man fan. I really can't!! t:

I am WAY excited to see what happens once JMS is gone and the new teams arrive.
Hopefully then ASM will get back to great story telling instead of resorting to trying to re-write the mythology, and in the process creating these craptastic event arcs.

 

[SpideyInATree]

First of all you have to decide which side of the fence you are arguing from- you either care about Spider-Man comics and their sales figures, or you care about the validity of the story’s currently being told and their ramifications on the Spidey mythos. You can’t argue both sides because the two angles conflict each other- crap out of character/illogical arcs can get printed and sell by the bucket load,- but that don’t validate them as well written Spider-Man comics.

I'm not arguing, heh. You misunderstood what I was saying there. I was saying THAT'S Joe Quesada's job. That's not how I am viewing it. I'm not Editor In Chief at Marvel, which would be freakin' sweet. My viewpoint is of a Spider-Man fan and that's really where it ends. I'm speaking from Joe Quesada's standpoint. He has a job and his job is to sell comics. He's got to balance the business and creativity. He's got to sit around and listen to suits in the marketing department, who probably don't know a lick about the Marvel characters, and then he's gotta sit down with the creators and do something that he'll be proud of and his talent pool will be proud of. That's what I'm saying.

Like I already explained- Peter’s intelligence level is number 4- gifted.

This basically means he is a brainiac, one level below genius in the official marvel handbook- see Read Richards. Considering this, and the amount of carnage Peter has witnessed during his superhero career, AND the life threatening situations that his family have sometimes been subjected to due to his enemies getting too close- It is an insult to suggest that Peter would ever reveal his secret ID.

After 40 years of Spider-Man comics, Once JQ becomes EIC it would be during his tenure that he decides Spider-Man would reveal his ID? That is BS I’m afraid- it would not happen.

I know he's really smart, haha. I've been reading Spider-Man comics for about, ohhh...18 years now. I think I got the point. But seriously. Yeah, he's really smart. I'm really smart too. Yet I make really dumb decisions in my life. So does Peter Parker. Just because he's got the intelligence of a genius doesn't mean he's going to automatically be the ultimate decision maker.

What I got from the entire unmasking situation, which was built up to very well, was that Peter Parker was making a decision, AT THE TIME, that he felt was right. Of course he knew taking that mask off was going to endanger his family. He went over it and over it before he even DID IT. He was under the wing of Tony Stark. His Aunt May and Mary Jane were in Avengers Tower. The registration act was put into affect and he wanted to HELP. He wanted to help his friend Tony and he wanted to help his other friends, the other heroes, by showing them that it's not that tough. That even SPIDER-MAN revealed his ID. He did it. The poo poo hit the fan. Peter started seeing that Tony Stark and Reed Richards, as righteous as they seemed to be, weren't really on the up and up. Making Thor clones and banishing people, who aren't registering...some even fellow heroes, to some Negative Zone prison. He's appointing his most dangeous foe, Norman Osborn, the head of THE THUNDERBOLTS! So, yeah, he messed up. He didn't know that BEFORE unmasking. If he did he would have never done it. And ever since he's been PAYING for his sin. That's what it's been all about. That taking off that mask WAS a mistake that he has to make up for. That only Spider-Man can fight through and fix. That's what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man.

This might be true of someone who reads all of Marvel’s books, and likes them equally but my main thing is Spidey- I don’t read anything else Marvel right now except Punisher. So if I were president I would remove his involvement from the Spider-titles.

If the choice was Joe Q stays on Spidey, or Joe gets fired as EIC I’d fire him, because like I said I don care for the other side of the fence.

Well, if you don't read anything else other than Spider-Man how can you effectively come to a decision that he should be fired? You and a handful of others go on about how Joe Quesada doesn't care about the fans. Yet you say here that you'd fire him without caring about the other side of the fence. So, you're going to be a hypocrite and stoop to a Joe Quesada level and NOT CARE. Come on, man. Don't stoop to his level. If he really doesn't care about the fans that is. I highly doubt he doesn't care though.

By bulldozing so many hallmarks of Spider-Man, he has effectively severely compromised the integrity of the comics and what defined the character.

Implementing Organics- A lame marketing attempt to help dumb down/synchronize the comics w/ the films, thus removing Spider-Man’s self created device that more than anything else sticks in the mind and defines what a great scientist he is.

Sins Past- Inventing an affair involving Peter’s deceased gf and arch enemy.
Events that could not possibly fit into past continuity, and also showed that the defining traits of Gwen’s personality went entirely over JQ’s head. All done for the sole reason to cause a stir and spike sales.

The Other- Spidey ‘dies’ why?- just to cause a stir and spike sales. Then he comes back w/ spikes that shoot out of his wrists whenever he gets angry. Eventually kills his enemy. Good one guys. Oh wait- Spider-Man does not kill. I guess that one don’t matter either.

Unmasking- See above, again- JQ/JMS continuing to redefine Spider-Man out of character, writing him as who they think he is.
******s.

What’s next?- Possible dissolve of the marriage and a rewind of time ret conning who knows how many years of back issues which roughly translates into buying/reading them counting for jack.
If this possibility does play out,- you will no doubt claim it is ‘exciting’ and has not messed up Spider-Man comics.

Really- your argument has no legs.
Give it up.

I don't really like that he has organic webshooters either. The storyline that GAVE him those organics is a pretty BAD story, heh. I've said it million of times here that it was a bad story and that I'd much prefer that he still had the webshooters. But he has the organics and, honestly, it really has made no difference other than there story that gave him the organics is poopy.

Sins Past, no duh it sucked, haha. Once again, I've said a million times here about how stupid that storyline was. I've said a million times that it should be forgotten. Yet who are the ones that ALWAYS bring it up? Hmmm. At least the art was awesome, right?

The Other, for the third time, is one of those things that I've gone on about a million times that it sucked. It was poorly put together and Reggie Hudlins issues were extremely loathesome. The stingers were pointless and him shedding his skin is absolutely of no relevance. It sucked. You let Marvel know it sucks, and the fans did. The only person who followed up on the stingers was Peter David to close out the Ms. Arrow story arc, which was actually really good.

The Unmasking, I've already explained my views on this. And it's the one of the four that I do not see eye to eye with you on. I really don't see him out of character at ALL during the Road to Civil War, through Civil War, into Back in Black, and even in One More Day. JMS has done a spectacular job and keeping Peter who he is. That's ALWAYS been his strong suit on the Spidey comics. Yeah, he penned some stinkers in Sins Past and The Other. It really DOES suck that this run of JMS' is tarnished by those two storylines. It could have been a really classic run. But I really don't see where he's out of character. If you would like to make me SEE where he's out of character I've got the issues you just tell me the issue number and the panel it's in and I'll check it out. Until then I loved the unmasking. I've loved the build up we've gotten to One More Day and we're going into another Spider-Man golden age. I'm psyched.

And...what arguement exactly? What? Because my opinion differs from yours that an arguement doesn't have legs? Haha. Dude, I'm not arguing with you. I'm expressing how I feel about Joe Quesada being fired. I don't think he should. You and the handful of others here are really, really angry at the guy because he's not doing with Spider-Man what you guys (and gals) want him to do. And if you want to be angry than be angry at him. That's your right and that's why the message boards are here. You can let that aggression out. It's not right to go around pushing your opinions off as "fact" when it's obviously not a fact. Just because you say something and like nine or ten people on a message board agree with you doesn't mean that you're right. It means those people SHARE your opinion.

 

[iloveclones]

I am WAY excited to see what happens once JMS is gone and the new teams arrive.
Hopefully then ASM will get back to great story telling instead of resorting to trying to re-write the mythology, and in the process creating these craptastic event arcs.

And will JQ get credit? Because he will have made that decision too.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

^Of course not!!! Everyone knows that if something GOOD happens on a Spidey comic Joe Q had NOTHING to do with it... If something bad happens He'll claim that it's the fans' fault for not wanting the new and "Improved" Spidey...