Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Part 1

[Broseph44]

I love how enthusiastic Bryce is about the movies, her and Chris Pratt both feel like big kids in a Candy store.








The new featurette is great, and we called it, that scene with stuck in the cage with the huge T-Rex head was animatronics! I love seeing the prctical work they are still doing on these movies.

Yeah I love Chris and Bryce you definitely can see and feel the enthusiasm they have for this franchise.

As always I love see behind the scenes stuff. Great featurettes so far. The closer we get now to Fallen Kingdom I’ll be doing another marathon most likely.

 

[Marvolo]

Happy Dino Day!
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Featurette 2
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Could be wrong, but I think the Indoraptor has venom in its saliva. In the close up shot of its mouth and teeth in the trailer it just looks...nasty. Its got needlelike teeth and they are all dark and slimed up and its drooling a lot.

 

[markjoedelonge]

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So glad they are using animatronics in this one.

 

[lime]

Yeah, that move is getting Visual Effects nomination at the Oscars. If Kong: Skull Island can do it...

 

[Broseph44]

I love the inclusion of animatronics again mixed with CG, personally thought the CG looked great in JW and looks great here too But always love seeing some puppets again.

 

[Marvolo]

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So glad they are using animatronics in this one.

They used animatronics in JW.

 

[lime]

They used animatronics in JW.

Very little. Basically one Apatosaurus head.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Very little. Basically one Apatosaurus head.

They used animatronics in JW.

Correct. They only used an animatronic for the Apatosaurus, and maquettes as stand-ins for the rest. Personally, part of what made the visual effects so outstanding in JP and TLW were the seamless blending of animatronics and CGI. You could never be sure which you were looking at, which made the dinosaurs so much more realistic.

The CGI in JW is pretty good, but it comes off as unnatural and too crisp and clean at times. The dinos don't look like they're part of the environment and it takes me out of it. The JWFK CGI seems to look much better though.

 

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[Broseph44]

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I’m so ready.

 

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Me, too.

 

[Melpardus]

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The Carnotaurus looks like it'll offer the most interesting scenes -- if only because I think this series actually has a lack of good dinosaur interactions and the fight looks potentially cool -- but why the @$%@ does that ceratopsian have holes in its frill...!?

 

[Iceman]

Could be wrong, but I think the Indoraptor has venom in its saliva. In the close up shot of its mouth and teeth in the trailer it just looks...nasty. Its got needlelike teeth and they are all dark and slimed up and its drooling a lot.

Nice. Bit of an all rounder then, this aggressive, venomous beautiful piece of ****!

 

[Broseph44]

The Carnotaurus looks like it'll offer the most interesting scenes -- if only because I think this series actually has a lack of good dinosaur interactions and the fight looks potentially cool -- but why the @$%@ does that ceratopsian have holes in its frill...!?

Why does the Dilophosaurus have a the frill and spit venom? Why are the Velociraptors actually bigger than they should be? The Raptors in the films are more accurate in size to the Deinonychus and Utahraptor.

The Answer is because these are movies. Liberties are taken. And these are genetically created man made dinosaurs that are not 100% accurate. It really is not that big of a deal. Think you need to relax a bit haha, it’s not that serious.

 

[Marvolo]

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Those baby Raptors are cute.

 

[Iceman]

We need to rewrite dino-history and give T Rex some respectable arms.

 

[Melpardus]

Why does the Dilophosaurus have a the frill and spit venom? Why are the Velociraptors actually bigger than they should be? The Raptors in the films are more accurate in size to the Deinonychus and Utahraptor.

The Answer is because these are movies. Liberties are taken. And these are genetically created man made dinosaurs that are not 100% accurate. It really is not that big of a deal. Think you need to relax a bit haha, it’s not that serious.

I'm mostly being comedic; I've wanted to like the Jurassic Park/World series from the get-go, but I've given up hope on the franchise being a smart series a long time ago, despite how much the directors and writers try to make it seem like they're taking this trilogy as serious sci-fi with themes and ideas and whatnot.

(Which is the genuinely offensive part; in a promo video for the upcoming tie-in video game, the creators make a point to emphasize how the Jurassic Park franchise is effectively the metric by which the general public understands dinosaurs and prehistory, so it's like "Well why are you actively going against everything we've learned in 20+ years and then trying to write it off as 'just a movie, lighten up scientists'?" It's an insult to everyone's intelligence if you ask me, and it's not like they're engaging this idea in any of these films outside of some throwaway lines, even though that would elevate the material to make it a much better, more cerebral series.

(Also, the franchise raptors are technically based on Deinonychus -- though still a bit oversized, not nearly as badly as if they were actually supposed to be Velociraptor -- but they just carry the name Velociraptor because Crichton based his naming system (and most other aspects of his dinosaurs pre-sci-fi touches) on that of a popular paleoartist from the 1980s with some questionable taxonomic choices that most paleontologists disagreed with.)

That said, at this point I'm just baffled by that particular design choice above all others; it's like they're actively trying to find the dumbest, worst way to design a dinosaur. It's not enough for them to be out of date, now they're just randomly adding pointless extra features that won't bear any film fruit anyway.

 

[Broseph44]

It’s not that serious. But moving along. That baby raptor squad is cute as hell.

 

[Melpardus]

Agreed; I'd much rather have seen a movie spent on that.

 

[Iceman]

I'm mostly being comedic; I've wanted to like the Jurassic Park/World series from the get-go, but I've given up hope on the franchise being a smart series a long time ago, despite how much the directors and writers try to make it seem like they're taking this trilogy as serious sci-fi with themes and ideas and whatnot.

(Which is the genuinely offensive part; in a promo video for the upcoming tie-in video game, the creators make a point to emphasize how the Jurassic Park franchise is effectively the metric by which the general public understands dinosaurs and prehistory, so it's like "Well why are you actively going against everything we've learned in 20+ years and then trying to write it off as 'just a movie, lighten up scientists'?" It's an insult to everyone's intelligence if you ask me, and it's not like they're engaging this idea in any of these films outside of some throwaway lines, even though that would elevate the material to make it a much better, more cerebral series.

(Also, the franchise raptors are technically based on Deinonychus -- though still a bit oversized, not nearly as badly as if they were actually supposed to be Velociraptor -- but they just carry the name Velociraptor because Crichton based his naming system (and most other aspects of his dinosaurs pre-sci-fi touches) on that of a popular paleoartist from the 1980s with some questionable taxonomic choices that most paleontologists disagreed with.)

That said, at this point I'm just baffled by that particular design choice above all others; it's like they're actively trying to find the dumbest, worst way to design a dinosaur. It's not enough for them to be out of date, now they're just randomly adding pointless extra features that won't bear any film fruit anyway.

After Jurassic Park III I think all pretence that anything smart was going on was given up. t:

 

[Melpardus]

True; at least Jurassic Park III tried to do some more interesting stuff with the raptors both anatomically and behaviorally -- they actually wanted to give them proper feathers but the technology of the time couldn't render it well enough to their liking, hence why they just have quills -- and actually gave us some good dinosaur-on-dinosaur action, which they hadn't really done before in the prior movies. (You can do stuff like that and be smart all the same.)

 

[terry78]

They as much admit in the films that these things are just monsters made to entertain the common man, accuracy be damned.

 

[Iceman]

True; at least Jurassic Park III tried to do some more interesting stuff with the raptors both anatomically and behaviorally -- they actually wanted to give them proper feathers but the technology of the time couldn't render it well enough to their liking, hence why they just have quills -- and actually gave us some good dinosaur-on-dinosaur action, which they hadn't really done before in the prior movies. (You can do stuff like that and be smart all the same.)

Oh I didn't realise that about JP III, interesting.

But there was an all-consuming aura of dumbness over that movie for me, with Tea Leoni's character contributing a lot to that! t:

How do you rate/rank all the JP films to date?

 

[Melpardus]

Oh I didn't realise that about JP III, interesting.

But there was an all-consuming aura of dumbness over that movie for me, with Tea Leoni's character contributing a lot to that! t:

How do you rate/rank all the JP films to date?

Overall, the original Jurassic Park is pretty decent, great for its time as a dinosaur sci-fi piece, and it's the only one where the human characters don't actively annoy me. I can respect it.

Jurassic World is a huge letdown -- it and the other movies are in the territory of "dumb" to me at this point, including Fallen Kingdom (which at this point I consider potentially better than its immediate predecessor) -- but I still consider it a better sequel than the other ones because there's some more interesting elements like a functioning park, more dinosaur-dinosaur interactions, and the Owen-raptor relationship. (All of which is underdone in my opinion, but it's there.) I'd watch it again but just skip over the human stuff and get to the dinosaur scenes because Owen, Irrfan Khan, and B.D. Wong are the only semi-interesting people in the movie -- granted, more for what they do rather than their actual personalities. (I don't actually like any of the characters).

Jurassic Park III feels aggressively stupid -- everyone's aggravating in some way -- but it's at least mercifully short and has the rex-spinosaur fight in addition to the aforementioned raptor improvements and the best pterosaurs in the whole franchise. (Aside from the teeth, grasping feet, and lack of fuzz, they're actually pretty anatomically good and just look pretty.)

The Lost World: Jurassic Park is just boring and bland. I've tried a few times to watch the whole thing in one sitting but was never able to do it. And don't even get me started on the logistics of the San Francisco bit...

 

[lime]

We need to rewrite dino-history and give T Rex some respectable arms.

I love the T-Rex and his tiny arms!

On topic. I watched all the movies this past week.

Ranking:

1. Jurassic Park - 10/10 - Oh god, amazing on every level. The visuals are stunnig to this date, the characters are great, making you care for them. And the dinosaurs feel sooo real.

2. The Lost World: Jurassic Park - 7.5/10 - Visually great, with some amazing sequences, but bad writing and some very dumb dialoge. I deducted a whole point of the rating for the disgusting gymnastics Raptor killing.

3. Jurassic Park III - 7/10 - Yes, there are some very dumb things...and Tea Leoni, but there are some great scenes as well. The Spinosaurs is a good villain, and very scary!. It's not as bad as everyone claiming. Why is everybody hating that talking Raptor scene? It's a dream! Dinosaurs can talk in dreams.

4. Jurassic World - 6.5/10 - Generic as hell, with unbelivable bad acting and writing for the kids. Dumb final battle and dumb conclusion. It did not felt like a JP film for me. It felt like every other CGI fest blockbuster we get dozens each year.

That said, I can't wait for Fallen Kingdom. I like the feel of the trailers, and I do hope it's my new number two of the series. Let's be real, no chance it can be number one.