Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[Iceman]

He'll land on his feet. I mean, look at how many big movies he's been given despite a pretty middling to bad box office track record after 300. He's supposedly a really nice and personable guy in person, and that can go a long way in an industry built on who you know.

It must go a long way considering it kept him employed with WB for 4 years after MOS was released. The guy must be a living saint.

This probably counts double in an industry where I imagine many directors are unpleasant to work with, even those who have great talent.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And he is a white male. I imagine things would be different if he was Jamal Snyder or Zoey Snyder.

 

[FunkMiller]

And he is a white male. I imagine things would be different if he was Jamal Snyder or Zoey Snyder.

Ugh. True. We live in a world where Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still members of the academy. Straight white men always get more chances.

 

[Superchan]

Three strikes and you're out I guess... I wonder what his directing future will be like.

3 strikes? oh no my friend you need to count em again:

DOTD------solid hit
300--------Snyder's one and genuine hit

At that point he was the toast of hollywood and that's when he was quoted saying that superman is "too earnest" and that he wouldn't be interested in directing a superman movie......fair enough.


watchmen-----------major boxoffice flop
Rise of the guardians boxoffice flop
Suckerpunch---------boxoffice flop

At that point the word was coming out that suckerpunch was a total mess and so he took on MOS and superman suddenly became his favorite character.

MOS---------------boxoffice disappointment
BvS----------------boxoffice disappointment (film was so bad it helped kill.......JL------------------synder's 4th big boxoffice flop.

The sad thing is that after 300 he couldn't get a box office hit to save his life, even watchmen and rise of the guardians, which I thought were solid movies were both major flops.
I think Snyder should do what shaymalan did and go back to the basics and make a good small movie (I doubt anyone will give him a big budget movie again) and prove himself. Oh and he should never, ever consider making another superhero movie again because he sucks monkeys at it.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I don't buy the argument that Justice League failed because it scared off kids. The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises made over a billion dollars each, and they weren't exactly kiddy films. BVS and Justice League failed because they were just bad movies, period. Justice League happened to do worse than BVS because BVS killed the interest that people had for Justice League, as they knew Justice League was a direct sequel to BVS, a movie which general audiences already disliked.

 

[Timebomb]

I'm calling the time of death for JL the day BVS came out in theaters.

 

[MbJ]

I'm calling the time of death for JL the day BVS came out in theaters.

In 2016, I saw a reviewer who said that he felt BVS was the worst possible movie to try and launch the wider DCEU with because it was not gonna leave people excited to see a sequel and spin-offs of people not named Wonder Woman. He turned out to be correct. Using BVS as a launching pad for the rest of the DCEU probably sounded like a great idea on paper, though.

 

[Captain Marvel]

It still amazes me to this day that anybody at Warner Bros. ever thought BVS would be a good idea. This is the first live action meeting of two of the biggest comic book characters ever, and they thought it'd be a great idea to have these two characters trying to kill each other? What in the world were they thinking? It should've been a World's Finest type story, with a small bit of ego and animosity at first but mostly a team-up throughout, rather than featuring a character known for never killing gunning people down left and right and trying to murder Superman. But nope, they instead chose to follow up their divisive portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel by doubling down on that divisive portrayal and then going full hog on a divisive portrayal of Batman.

And to top it off, they went with an older Batman at the end of his career. You're trying to build a cinematic universe, and BVS is right at the beginning of it. How are you going to begin your cinematic universe with an aging Batman who's already too old for the job? The whole thing was a huge mistake from top to bottom, and Justice League's box office receipts are what you get from those mistakes.

 

[Iceman]

It still amazes me to this day that anybody at Warner Bros. ever thought BVS would be a good idea. This is the first live action meeting of two of the biggest comic book characters ever, and they thought it'd be a great idea to have these two characters trying to kill each other? What in the world were they thinking? It should've been a World's Finest type story, with a small bit of ego and animosity at first but mostly a team-up throughout, rather than featuring a character known for never killing gunning people down left and right and trying to murder Superman. But nope, they instead chose to follow up their divisive portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel by doubling down on that divisive portrayal and then going full hog on a divisive portrayal of Batman.

And to top it off, they went with an older Batman at the end of his career. You're trying to build a cinematic universe, and BVS is right at the beginning of it. How are you going to begin your cinematic universe with an aging Batman who's already too old for the job? The whole thing was a huge mistake from top to bottom, and Justice League's box office receipts are what you get from those mistakes.

It never made sense. A veteran Batman would be great to see, 15 plus years after the launch of the DCEU. You don’t have one of your biggest characters already on his last legs while you’re launching. And the film should have been much more team up than outright Vs nearly all the way through. It’s hard to show that these guys have any brains when they are spending the whole time beating the **** out of the other main hero. One, maybe 2 big conflicts early on is acceptable but after that you are dealing with a couple of dumbasses rather than heroes.

 

[Timebomb]

It never made sense. A veteran Batman would be great to see, 15 plus years after the launch of the DCEU. You don’t have one of your biggest characters already on his last legs while you’re launching. And the film should have been much more team up than outright Vs nearly all the way through. It’s hard to show that these guys have any brains when they are spending the whole time beating the **** out of the other main hero. One, maybe 2 big conflicts early on is acceptable but after that you are dealing with a couple of dumbasses rather than heroes.

I agree with both of you. AND don't show me a fallen Batman if I haven't seen heroic Batman first. It takes any emotional impact out of the fall and leaves you with an empty husk of one of the greatest characters ever.

 

[Iceman]

I agree with both of you. AND don't show me a fallen Batman if I haven't seen heroic Batman first. It takes any emotional impact out of the fall and leaves you with an empty husk of one of the greatest characters ever.

There was an illogical rush to do both TDKR and The death of Superman in the first film with the 2 of them. Those are great stories to do at the right time.

 

[Powerman34]

It still amazes me to this day that anybody at Warner Bros. ever thought BVS would be a good idea. This is the first live action meeting of two of the biggest comic book characters ever, and they thought it'd be a great idea to have these two characters trying to kill each other? What in the world were they thinking? It should've been a World's Finest type story, with a small bit of ego and animosity at first but mostly a team-up throughout, rather than featuring a character known for never killing gunning people down left and right and trying to murder Superman. But nope, they instead chose to follow up their divisive portrayal of Superman in Man of Steel by doubling down on that divisive portrayal and then going full hog on a divisive portrayal of Batman.

And to top it off, they went with an older Batman at the end of his career. You're trying to build a cinematic universe, and BVS is right at the beginning of it. How are you going to begin your cinematic universe with an aging Batman who's already too old for the job? The whole thing was a huge mistake from top to bottom, and Justice League's box office receipts are what you get from those mistakes.

I always scratched my head at this decision, I liked that they got Affleck (although he was not my first choice) but why not START your cinematic universe with a non newbie Batman and have him been on the job in the neighborhood of 5 to ten years. Kinda like the DCAU where we had Batman and his world for a few years before they went to Superman and then Justice League. I mean Ben didn’t look 40 plus in the Accountant and that’s the Bats they should presented in the movie. That’s one of the reasons I favor DC over Marvel; they have a very streamlined timeline.
But they should’ve gone with a combo of the Worlds Finest cartoon movie and Byrne’s Man of Steel comics series first meeting of Bats and Supes. But in hindsight they should’ve saved Batman for his own movie later after say MOS 2 or 3. And it they switched Bruce for Lex in BvS and SHOWED us why Lex both fears and hates Superman would’ve been a better movie.

 

[Johnglen]

Ugh. True. We live in a world where Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still members of the academy. Straight white men always get more chances.

These two also happen to be geniuses, personal issues aside.

 

[Romannen]

It still amazes me to this day that anybody at Warner Bros. ever thought BVS would be a good idea. This is the first live action meeting of two of the biggest comic book characters ever, and they thought it'd be a great idea to have these two characters trying to kill each other? What in the world were they thinking?

To be fair, they were actually basing it on The Dark Knight Returns. The irony is that they managed to turn one of the greatest comic books ever into one of the worst movies ever.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It never made sense. A veteran Batman would be great to see, 15 plus years after the launch of the DCEU. You don’t have one of your biggest characters already on his last legs while you’re launching. And the film should have been much more team up than outright Vs nearly all the way through. It’s hard to show that these guys have any brains when they are spending the whole time beating the **** out of the other main hero. One, maybe 2 big conflicts early on is acceptable but after that you are dealing with a couple of dumbasses rather than heroes.

Snyder's mind was frozen on the Batman/Superman battle from TDKR. So they had to work backwards from that battle to come up with a narrative for a new film that would be operating on a completely different foundation. You can see how that is the utter opposite of a good way to come up with the story.

So it follows that the story of the film was a wild fire of shock and awe to the system. A sordid necrophilia on the decency of storytelling.

 

[Iceman]

Snyder's mind was frozen on the Batman/Superman battle from TDKR. So they had to work backwards from that battle to come up with a narrative for a new film that would be operating on a completely different foundation. You can see how that is the utter opposite of a good way to come up with the story.

So it follows that the story of the film was a wild fire of shock and awe to the system. A sordid necrophilia on the decency of storytelling.

Certainly not a natural way to go about creating something that is going to end up in any way coherent. Too many artificial (unnecessary) hoops to jump through doing it this way.

 

[MbJ]

It's why trying to appeal to the internet is often a stupid marketing tactic unless handled well. I'm sure they thought having Batman donning his DKR armor to fight Superman is the stuff that'd have the fanboys beating their meat in theaters.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And to make matters worse, they had to tack on an additional act of narcissistic cliche at the end. Can't leave the flesh simply torn, the wound simply gaping, they had to douse some vinegar at the end.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's why trying to appeal to the internet is often a stupid marketing tactic unless handled well. I'm sure they thought having Batman donning his DKR armor to fight Superman is the stuff that'd have the fanboys beating their meat in theaters.

Maybe one of Snyder’s biggest mistakes is trying to appeal to fanboys above others.

Fanboys are a very small cross section of the whole audience. Trying to appeal to them over the broader family and casual audience demographic is just dumb. The casual audience should come first with these huge movies, and then you work in the fan pleasing stuff afterwards.

 

[Timebomb]

Maybe one of Snyder’s biggest mistakes is trying to appeal to fanboys above others.

Fanboys are a very small cross section of the whole audience. Trying to appeal to them over the broader family and casual audience demographic is just dumb. The casual audience should come first with these huge movies, and then you work in the fan pleasing stuff afterwards.

But what fans is he trying to please? I am a huge Batman and Superman fan and it's certainly not me. The problem I think is he is trying to please Snyder fans and Snyder fans only.

 

[MbJ]

But what fans is he trying to please? I am a huge Batman and Superman fan and it's certainly not me. The problem I think is he is trying to please Snyder fans and Snyder fans only.

I think they were attempting to appeal to comic fans (which is always dodgy since most of the audience aren't comic readers), hence the use of elements from very popular and iconic stories like Death of Superman and DKR. It just didn't work the way they intended. At all.

 

[FunkMiller]

But what fans is he trying to please? I am a huge Batman and Superman fan and it's certainly not me. The problem I think is he is trying to please Snyder fans and Snyder fans only.

Here is the entire rationale behind Batman V Superman, which every single Zack Snyder fan on here will argue against until they're blue in the faces:

"Hey! A Batman V Superman film! That means we can do the fight scene from The Dark Knight Returns!"

"But the story is completely different Zack."

"That doesn't matter! We can write an entirely new story to fit around that sequence!"

"That's not how films work Zack."

"And The Death Of Superman! That's a cool story too!"

"You want to start a franchise using two stories that are meant to come at the end?"

"Yeah!"

"Why those two?"

"Because they're the only ones I like."

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But what fans is he trying to please? I am a huge Batman and Superman fan and it's certainly not me. The problem I think is he is trying to please Snyder fans and Snyder fans only.

The ones that get an erection over superficial aesthetic synchronicity to the source material.

 

[BH/HHH]

Here is the entire rationale behind Batman V Superman, which every single Zack Snyder fan on here will argue against until they're blue in the faces:

"Hey! A Batman V Superman film! That means we can do the fight scene from The Dark Knight Returns!"

"But the story is completely different Zack."

"That doesn't matter! We can write an entirely new story to fit around that sequence!"

"That's not how films work Zack."

"And The Death Of Superman! That's a cool story too!"

"You want to start a franchise using two stories that are meant to come at the end?"

"Yeah!"

"Why those two?"

"Because they're the only ones I like."

Which is why WBs should have let someone else take on Cavill's Superman and given Snyder an adaptation of the Dark Knight Returns to do.

 

[All-Father]

Here is the entire rationale behind Batman V Superman, which every single Zack Snyder fan on here will argue against until they're blue in the faces:

"Hey! A Batman V Superman film! That means we can do the fight scene from The Dark Knight Returns!"

"But the story is completely different Zack."

"That doesn't matter! We can write an entirely new story to fit around that sequence!"

"That's not how films work Zack."

"And The Death Of Superman! That's a cool story too!"

"You want to start a franchise using two stories that are meant to come at the end?"

"Yeah!"

"Why those two?"

"Because they're the only ones I like."

Just about perfect.