Justice League- How Would You Go About It

[Webhead2006]

Yea pretty much all the buzz was so negative with the film, from who was rumored/confirmed to be the cast, what was the real script and how was the original draft to the miller rewrites changed things and all that. We will likely never know.

 

[luca_frontino]

Morrison's JLA is the best.
But I would start with the story on JLA Secret Files (1997) #1 with Starro and continue in the same film with The White Martians.
That would be so cool!

 

[Oddzball]

Miller did not "messed it all up".

During the WGA strike, he tried to rewrite the script by himself, but Warner Bros. executives did not liked his revisions. After the Strike's ending, the Mulroneys we're summed back to finish the third draft, but the internet buzz killed the movie in the meantime.

During the Writer's strike writers were supposed to NOT write scripts for anyone being struck. If he did write _during_ the strike, he's a scab. Pure and simple.

 

[The Guard]

Members of the writers guild were not to write scripts. Is Miller a member of the guild?

 

[Anubis]

I'd go with a mix of the first three episodes of Justice League and Morrison's first few issues of his JLA revamp.

White Martian Invasion is the way to go. An army of guys as powerful as Superman that can shape shift and dominate others minds is a worthy threat to bring such heroes together. It's gotta be big. F**k Ra's Al Ghul.

 

[protocida]

R'as Al Ghul was the one who got closer to destroy the Justice League.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Yeah, because all Superfriends episodes had an dense, action-packed screenplay about governmental conspiracy, paranoia and betrayal.

Let's be sincere. The only bad thing about the movie was the rumored title and half the cast.

Half the cast? More like almost all the main characters:

Superman: Played by 5'9 DJ Cotrona, a nobody actor who looks like a shady drug dealer.

Batman: 21 year old Armie Hammer, with a boyish face who probably had no chance of satisfying a public that had just seen Christian Bale nail the role, while Nolan's trilogy was still ongoing if JLM hadn't been derailed by the writer's strike. A filmography composed of a guest spot on Desperate Housewives at that point didn't give people confidence that he could defy the odds. Oh yeah, this kid is 6'5, meaning that 5'9 Superman would look ridiculous standing next to him.

Wonder Woman: A model-slash-actress without the "slash actress," who hadn't been in anything since an unnoticeable cameo in the terrible Stealth years ago. Who admitted that she was glad the movie slid off the rails because she would get more time to learn how to act.

Flash: The Flash, not even the younger Wally West, is not the geeky kid from the OC.

Talia: the foreign and exotic femme fatale, who can aspire to romance Bruce Wayne, was going to be played by a 21/22 year-old blonde white girl. Well, I guess the age matches if they were going to cast some college-age kid as Batman.

Maxwell Lord: What a lame choice for a big bad, this guy wasn't even a villain until he was retconned into one 2 years ago. And the rumor was that he was going to be played by the skinny, geeky-looking creep friend from Knocked Up. Granted it wasn't "confirmed" like the others, but the WB never denied it either, despite how damaging this rumor was to the project.

It astounds me that Iron Man, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight were able to get multiple Oscar nominees and winners in supporting roles, but JLM was going with an unproven cast of nobodies and non-actors as its stars.

"Dense, action-packed" is the flip side of the "cluttered, plotless" coin. Unless you actually read the script, you have no way of knowing which way it was. It did worry me that all they could talk about was the super-cool Superman vs. WW fight, instead of any themes or character directions. Another thing that worried me was the rumored piggy-backing off of Batman Begins, with Talia seeking revenge for the death of her father, despite the JL movie not being in continuity with BB. Oh yeah, that's not confusing. "Vague histories" and semi-continuity are stupid ideas and a mistake made by Superman Returns. Also, the OMAC conspiracy stuff with Batman going behind the other heroes' backs is NOT how you introduce people to the League. That's the kind of plot you use for a possible sequel.

To many fans JLM was not shaping up well, but instead sounded like a complete joke. Thank God this project is back in developmental hell, though like an undead demon it refuses to die with an official confirmation of its cancellation.

 

[protocida]

Superman: Played by 5'9 DJ Cotrona, a nobody actor who looks like a shady drug dealer.

I agree. Horrible choice.

Batman: 21 year old Armie Hammer, with a boyish face who probably had no chance of satisfying a public that had just seen Christian Bale nail the role, while Nolan's trilogy was still ongoing if JLM hadn't been derailed by the writer's strike. A filmography composed of a guest spot on Desperate Housewives at that point didn't give people confidence that he could defy the odds. Oh yeah, this kid is 6'5, meaning that 5'9 Superman would look ridiculous standing next to him.

Not a bad choice. He had the the voice, the height and as a good actor from the few i've see. About the boyish face, that could be handled with make-up or simply a full-faced mask.

Wonder Woman: A model-slash-actress without the "slash actress," who hadn't been in anything since an unnoticeable cameo in the terrible Stealth years ago. Who admitted that she was glad the movie slid off the rails because she would get more time to learn how to act.

I don't know about her acting (I saw Stealth a loooooong time ago...), but she had the visual and sounded really interrested in the character. A good choice. Not great, but good.

Flash: The Flash, not even the younger Wally West, is not the geeky kid from the OC.

Another choice that i think it had potential. He was a good actor and looked like the Flash, despite his bad shape.(I saw one pick IDENTICAL to Animated DCU's Wally West. It only lacked of red hair).

Talia: the foreign and exotic femme fatale, who can aspire to romance Bruce Wayne, was going to be played by a 21/22 year-old blonde white girl. Well, I guess the age matches if they were going to cast some college-age kid as Batman.

That could be correted with make-up. I don't know anything about her despite the fact she is hot, so, i won't disagree of you there.

Maxwell Lord: What a lame choice for a big bad, this guy wasn't even a villain until he was retconned into one 2 years ago. And the rumor was that he was going to be played by the skinny, geeky-looking creep friend from Knocked Up. Granted it wasn't "confirmed" like the others, but the WB never denied it either, despite how damaging this rumor was to the project.

What's the problem of Max being a recent villain? Recent villains are good. See the Sinestro Corps, for example. t:
Besides that, as far as i'm concerned, Jay Baruchel was going to play either a comical henchmen or young Max Lord, in a flashback scene.

It astounds me that Iron Man, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight were able to get multiple Oscar nominees and winners in supporting roles, but JLM was going with an unproven cast of nobodies and non-actors as its stars.

Cast youg nobodies was George Miller's idea to have actors that could grow in to the roles without becoming "that famous guy dressep up as a superhero". But some experienced actors for the supporting roles would be good.

"Dense, action-packed" is the flip side of the "cluttered, plotless" coin.

Not always.

Unless you actually read the script, you have no way of knowing which way it was.

I don't think no one could. Only Patrick Sauriol and some other had the chance to get a good look at the screenplay.

It did worry me that all they could talk about was the super-cool Superman vs. WW fight, instead of any themes or character directions.

They didn't even had the chance of talking. The script never leaked, and the only snippets the site's informants managed to get we're always directed to the big blockbuster material of the script.

Another thing that worried me was the rumored piggy-backing off of Batman Begins, with Talia seeking revenge for the death of her father, despite the JL movie not being in continuity with BB. Oh yeah, that's not confusing. "Vague histories" and semi-continuity are stupid ideas and a mistake made by Superman Returns.

I remember that this rumor was debunked and R'as Al Ghul actually played a villanic role in the movie, wanting to destroy the Justice League so he could carry on his plan to reduce the Earth's populatiuon and, by the same time, convince Batman to marry his daughter.

Also, the OMAC conspiracy stuff with Batman going behind the other heroes' backs is NOT how you introduce people to the League. That's the kind of plot you use for a possible sequel.

I liked. Specially because it was not going to be a origin movie.

To many fans JLM was not shaping up well, but instead sounded like a complete joke.

Key-phrase: Some fans.

Thank God this project is back in developmental hell, though like an undead demon it refuses to die with an official confirmation of its cancellation.

The script is gone. The cast is gone. The crew is gone. The only thing remaining from "Justice League: Mortal" in the new Justice League project is George Miller, and whe don't even know if he's staying for too long.

Just one thing: I don't want to get in one of those gigantic discussions, because that often leds to fights and i don't want that. Let's just agree to disagree and hope for a better future for the Justice League, how about that? t:

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Not a bad choice. He had the the voice, the height and as a good actor from the few i've see. About the boyish face, that could be handled with make-up or simply a full-faced mask.

It's a bad choice by default because of how ridiculous he looks compared to Bale, with the Nolan series still going on at the same time. Batman should be tall, but 6'5 is too extreme especially when it's hard to find a Superman with matching height. And a "full-faced mask?" That is NOT how Batman has been portrayed for 7 decades. If this kid was unsuitable then you just don't cast him in the first place, instead of thinking up ways to alter the character so he could play the role.

I don't know about her acting (I saw Stealth a loooooong time ago...),

It's not just you seeing it a long time ago, it's that it was a meaningless cameo where she did nothing and wasn't noticeable in any way.

but she had the visual and sounded really interrested in the character. A good choice. Not great, but good.

Someone who admits that she can't act is not a good choice. As for looks any typical Hollywood hottie can give you that.

Another choice that i think it had potential. He was a good actor and looked like the Flash, despite his bad shape.(I saw one pick IDENTICAL to Animated DCU's Wally West. It only lacked of red hair).

I don't see it at all.

That could be correted with make-up. I don't know anything about her despite the fact she is hot, so, i won't disagree of you there.

So she's supposed to fake another ethnicity with makeup? She's supposed to fake years of life and experience that she doesn't have? Talia is a potential partner for Batman. Batman and Talia should not be college-age kids, nor should they be altered into that so a badly picked cast can play them.

What's the problem of Max being a recent villain? Recent villains are good. See the Sinestro Corps, for example. t:

Of all the villains in the rich history of the DC universe, they pick someone who wasn't even a villain? And it's not about him just being recent. What does Max bring to the movie that Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage, etc. don't do better? He sounds like another boring evil movie businessman, like Doctor Doom in Name Only.

Besides that, as far as i'm concerned, Jay Baruchel was going to play either a comical henchmen or young Max Lord, in a flashback scene.

Did you just make this up? I haven't heard this anywhere. And you don't establish the big bad's "street cred" by having a ridiculous-looking nobody play his younger self.

Cast youg nobodies was George Miller's idea to have actors that could grow in to the roles without becoming "that famous guy dressep up as a superhero". But some experienced actors for the supporting roles would be good.

A group of 25-30 year olds can grow into the role. The Justice League has never been portrayed as a group of kids. Furthermore you can be unknown while still being an actor with a credible filmography, unlike the people who were chosen.

Not always.

Which is why I said that nobody knows how the movie would be without seeing the script. Which means that your defense of the movie is no more credible than our criticisms. Although I have strong doubts about the project's quality, given the fact that they saw fit to hire DJ Cotrona and Megan Gale as the male and female leads.

They didn't even had the chance of talking. The script never leaked, and the only snippets the site's informants managed to get we're always directed to the big blockbuster material of the script.

Somehow I don't think they were aiming very high given the lame cast and rushed effort to get this out by 2009.

I remember that this rumor was debunked and R'as Al Ghul actually played a villanic role in the movie, wanting to destroy the Justice League so he could carry on his plan to reduce the Earth's populatiuon and, by the same time, convince Batman to marry his daughter.

Where did you hear this, because I haven't heard this ever. Furthermore, this would juxtapose the movie even worse against Nolan's Batman by using Ra's Al Ghul as the main villain. Why not just use another evil mastermind.

I liked. Specially because it was not going to be a origin movie.

That right there is another mistake made by Superman Returns. Not wanting to sit through an origin movie is such an impatient fanboy way to think about things. The origin movie can not only be well-done and interesting, but it's what hooks the general audience. Skip it (like SR did) and you end up alienating the kids and new viewers. BB was smart enough to start from the beginning (therefore leaving no one behind) and actually show how its hero came to be, and what made him tick.

Key-phrase: Some fans.

I didn't say "some" fans. And it really is almost every fan online.

The script is gone. The cast is gone. The crew is gone. The only thing remaining from "Justice League: Mortal" in the new Justice League project is George Miller, and whe don't even know if he's staying for too long.

I want to see the project being completely nuked so we won't have this hanging over our heads anymore. Come back to the Justice League after WW, Flash, and GL movies have been made, and Superman properly rebooted.

Just one thing: I don't want to get in one of those gigantic discussions, because that often leds to fights and i don't want that. Let's just agree to disagree and hope for a better future for the Justice League, how about that? t:

OK.

 

[Anubis]

R'as Al Ghul was the one who got closer to destroy the Justice League.

Thanks to years of Batman spying on his teammates. Chicken or the Egg man. Gotta be a League first. And they really shouldn't form up because of some shadowy *****e bag and his group of very human assassins. Trust me. Alien Invasion is the best way to go.

 

[protocida]

It's a bad choice by default because of how ridiculous he looks compared to Bale, with the Nolan series still going on at the same time. Batman should be tall, but 6'5 is too extreme especially when it's hard to find a Superman with matching height. And a "full-faced mask?" That is NOT how Batman has been portrayed for 7 decades. If this kid was unsuitable then you just don't cast him in the first place, instead of thinking up ways to alter the character so he could play the role.

I have to agree that he looks really young compared to Bale, that nailed Bruce Wayne/Batman, despite they share some semelhance. About the Full-faced mask, it was just and idea if they needed to cast Hammer without creating confusion.

It's not just you seeing it a long time ago, it's that it was a meaningless cameo where she did nothing and wasn't noticeable in any way.

OK. Just for clarification, was she the girl that Jamie Foxx hit on, on that scene of the "You don't understand nothing that i'm saying, do you"?

So she's supposed to fake another ethnicity with makeup? She's supposed to fake years of life and experience that she doesn't have? Talia is a potential partner for Batman. Batman and Talia should not be college-age kids, nor should they be altered into that so a badly picked cast can play them.

Make-up makes wonders these days. I think that, if it's a really talented cast, they can do everything. But, apparently, that wasn't the case.

Of all the villains in the rich history of the DC universe, they pick someone who wasn't even a villain? And it's not about him just being recent. What does Max bring to the movie that Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage, etc. don't do better? He sounds like another boring evil movie businessman, like Doctor Doom in Name Only.

I understand your point, but, as whe don't know nothing about his motivations, i'll agree with you (despite the fact that i liked Max villany arch. The guy killed Blue Beetle. You have to be a real bastard to kill Blue Beetle).

Did you just make this up? I haven't heard this anywhere. And you don't establish the big bad's "street cred" by having a ridiculous-looking nobody play his younger self.

The comical henchmen rumor was before Max Lord rumor, and the young Max Lord rumor i read on IMDb. (i know, i know )

A group of 25-30 year olds can grow into the role. The Justice League has never been portrayed as a group of kids.

What about JLU's "Child's play"? t:

Which is why I said that nobody knows how the movie would be without seeing the script. Which means that your defense of the movie is no more credible than our criticisms. Although I have strong doubts about the project's quality, given the fact that they saw fit to hire DJ Cotrona and Megan Gale as the male and female leads.

I know that. And, sometimes, they choose bad actors for a good script, what makes the script bad by default.

Somehow I don't think they were aiming very high given the lame cast and rushed effort to get this out by 2009.

Last thing i heard said they we're trying to make the production right, pushing the release date to 2010/2011 and etc. But who knows?

Where did you hear this, because I haven't heard this ever. Furthermore, this would juxtapose the movie even worse against Nolan's Batman by using Ra's Al Ghul as the main villain. Why not just use another evil mastermind.

There's a thread with this news right here on SHH boards. But i agree. It might be too much.

That right there is another mistake made by Superman Returns. Not wanting to sit through an origin movie is such an impatient fanboy way to think about things. The origin movie can not only be well-done and interesting, but it's what hooks the general audience. Skip it (like SR did) and you end up alienating the kids and new viewers. BB was smart enough to start from the beginning (therefore leaving no one behind) and actually show how its hero came to be, and what made him tick.

It's not a impacient fanboy way of thinking, easy there, folk! I'm just saying because the movie was supposed to "derivate" from the JLU, using a sucesfull franchise to attrach audiences to the movie. And X-men was good without being an origin movie.

I didn't say "some" fans. And it really is almost every fan online.

Key-Phrase: Almost. t:

I want to see the project being completely nuked so we won't have this hanging over our heads anymore. Come back to the Justice League after WW, Flash, and GL movies have been made, and Superman properly rebooted.

Wonder-Woman movie? I don't think so. But Flash, GL and Superman are possibilities.

 

[Venom'sDad]

????
How would you go about Making a Justice League live actions. Cast, crew, thoughts, title, storyboards, scripts, posters, etc.
ANything and everything that has to do with your thoughts on JL

Read my trailer(in my sig) and I think you'll get an idea the direction I'll take.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I would prefer a Trinity movie first
In the end they could have a discussion of getting more members
Vandal Savage as the villain

 

[Webhead2006]

yea pretty much the whole cast was very terrible b/c lister actors and not one bigger known contender in the film at all and many other things did not look to be going that well. I am glad the film was canned long ago and i wish we would just now get miller to officially by himself say he is gone which is very likely to have had already happened or soon to be happening. Since a jl movie isnt their top thing they are looking to do now since tdk success and marvel's im/tih sucesses.

 

[Oddzball]

Members of the writers guild were not to write scripts. Is Miller a member of the guild?

If he isnt' the movies he's made so far would have had labor troubles they didn't have.

 

[Metamorpho1977]

I would use the JLA New World Order to introduce the world to the League as a team. The Martian Invasion would be a good starting point. The first JLA movie has to be so much bigger than any superhero movie ever, I believe. These are the best of the best and stopping bank robbers won't cut it. That story did a really good job of introducing the characters and showing off their powers, as well as beginning the group dynamics of them.

This quote is from a weblog that sums it up really well.

The best moments of the series are the really pop moments where we get to see the ridiculous cool of our main heroes. Page 1.3 is a great example of this, a bunch of b-list heroes are scrambling, but on the bottom of the page, calmly moving in we see Superman and are informed that "The big guy's on the case." I think it's misguided to try to write Superman as a regular guy, the whole marketing pitch behind Superman Returns was he may be super, but he still hurts. This book acknowledges that Superman is on a totally different level from other superheroes, let alone normal humans, and lets him revel in that greatness. One of the best moments is where he says "This is Superman" and Superman is written in the title font.

Superman is a great character, but the star of the series is undeniably Batman. This incarnation of Batman is basically the ultimate ninja special ops guy, Jack Bauer on crack. The character is so nasty, he manages to be more effective at fighting people than any of the superpowered people on the team.

The thing that Morrison manages to do really well is give each member of the team an iconic moment that makes you understand how far above ordinary people they are. There's the great scene where the Flash opens a lock instantly, Green Lantern asks him how he knew the combination and Flash says I just tried a thousand different combinations until I got to the one that worked. This guy thinks in a totally different way than ordinary people and I imagine Morrison thinking all the time about unique uses for these peoples' powers.