Superman Returns Kevin Smith Rips On Superman Returns

[El Payaso]

Smith is a bitter guy, which he disguises a lot with jokes and such. He's still angry to Peters and Burton. He lists Batman as a favourite superhero mvie then he disses it to attack Burton, etc. No surprise here if he say he didn't like SR; he's still resentful that he was fired from the project.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

And Singer had said it was a continuation of Superman 2 and will be the new Superman 3.

Ummm...not quite. He's even quoted as saying, "The mylar bed, the sleepover, no I didn't recognize that (again paraphrasing)." So not all of Superman II counts...if any of it. You can take it or leave it.

 

[buggs0268]

He was bitter about Superman Lives, but the final product was not Superman Lives. It was SR. Something completely different. I don't think his bitterness from that would translate to this. I think he just didn't the movie, and is saying so. Is that so out of the realm of impossibility for you guys? Does it have to be a vendetta against it?

 

[buggs0268]

Yeah no one knows at this point, not even Singer. Superman did not have sex with her in STM. I am so sick of this Vague history crap. Singer just plain and simple f'ed up.

 

[El Payaso]

He was bitter about Superman Lives, but the final product was not Superman Lives. It was SR. Something completely different. I don't think his bitterness from that would translate to this.

Oh, they changed the name of project, that naturally makes it a whole different thing. One is a new Superman movie and the other was... a... new... Sup- ok, you got it.

I think he just didn't the movie, and is saying so. Is that so out of the realm of impossibility for you guys? Does it have to be a vendetta against it?

It sounds so. And the fact that he alternately talks good things and then bad things about Batman 89 depending if he's talking about the movie or Tim Burton makes me thing it is so.

 

[Cosmic]

Every time Kevin Smith opens his mouth in public, somebody on the Hype feels the need to announce the occasion by starting a new thread.

Maybe he should have his own sticky thread, for future updates and news items such as this one.

 

[Kid_Kaos]

Nothing new to me, I pointed to that statement a while ago in another thread.
The funny thing is to read the responses form all the lovers who just can't see anything bad coming from another filmmaker or anyone who knows about movies.

Smith stated that comment shortly after SR was released (during a promotion tour for Clerks 2) and he clearly wasn't in the know of this board or any other Singerloversite that shortly after the release stated assumptions about what could be or not be in Singer's verse. Hell, we the Supermanfans still have no right answers to those points. How does anyone think a normal moviegoer would? Especially new viewers must have no clue about what's going on. The movie just doesn't make sense when you look at the story instead of just glossing over the two 30 second action scenes in that 2 1/2 hour movie. At least Batman Begins has a logical story that builds up to a climactic showdown and there's lots of action during it, human(!) action.
Batman can't fly or do fancy stuff like Spider-Man or Supes, so why would anyone expect him to? If you want cool gadgets and fancy action watch "Batman Forever" and "Batman & Robin", lots of unnecessary action without any plot.
Batman is very similar to the new Bond, the fewer gadgets the more time for character development. And that's exactly what an origin resp. restart needs.
Too bad Singer and WB assumed that the world knows every details about Superman to fill in the gaps necessary to connect to the characters. Sorry, but a statement from Joe Average like "Reeve is Superman" doesn't mean "I know the old movies" or "I know Superman".
Singer had the absolute necessity to introduce us to his characters, just a few known names for a bunch of actors doesn't cut it. He failed and MUST give those details in the sequel (if it ever happens) or this movie franchise is dead.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Oh, they changed the name of project, that naturally makes it a whole different thing. One is a new Superman movie and the other was... a... new... Sup- ok, you got it.



It sounds so. And the fact that he alternately talks good things and then bad things about Batman 89 depending if he's talking about the movie or Tim Burton makes me thing it is so.

That is what's weird about it. Sometimes I wonder if Smith ultimately has a genuine opinion about much of anything. It seems like he shifts between one thing to another, using what is convenient in that certain moment.

Could he be bitter? It's a possibility.

 

[El Payaso]

At least Batman Begins has a logical story that builds up to a climactic showdown and there's lots of action during it, human(!) action.

Ah yes, those choppy blurry 0.5 seconds shots glued to each other in those unfollowable sequences that some fans call 'action.'

I'm sorry, at least for me a bad example of action.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^ I don't agree with you on much but I sure agree with you on that fact.

 

[Matt]

That is what's weird about it. Sometimes I wonder if Smith ultimately has a genuine opinion about much of anything. It seems like he shifts between one thing to another, using what is convenient in that certain moment.

Could he be bitter? It's a possibility.

I don't think Smith is bitter, but I have noticed your point as well. Smith is the ultimate geek, and like most geeks he is incredibly insecure. He hates to have his following of geeks over at the viewaskew site think ill of him.

With the Star Wars prequels for example...all he did was bash them until Episode III came out and looked decent, and his followers started to get behind it, suddenly it was "I've always liked the prequels, only whiney *****es complained about episode I".

 

[Kid_Kaos]

Ah yes, those choppy blurry 0.5 seconds shots glued to each other in those unfollowable sequences that some fans call 'action.'

I'm sorry, at least for me a bad example of action.

No, it's a perfect example how you make a guy in a rubber suit look good in a fight scene. A wide angle shot would ruin the moment of surprise and make Batman look silly. Also, it plays well with Batman's scarecrow theme when he attacks and we as viewer see him from the POV of the bad guy getting suddenly smacked down.

But I'm sure, judging from your "intelligent" posts in the past, that's way too much to handle for you. After all, you and your kind favor Superman Returns' storyline over anything logical and even defend the plotholes as subtle storytelling. *rofl*

Keep on trolling, it's always fun to read here. t:

 

[fabman]

Kevin Smith's not bitter. Like one year ago he said that he would go to the theater to watch Tim Burton's movies anyway because he loves his work. Why are getting mad at Smith like if he had talked about your mother, it's a movie. Not everybody have to like it. If you like it, fine! I like it, too, but don't get f'ing mad about everybody who doesn't really like it...

 

[Dan33977]

After reading his statements about SUPERMAN RETURNS, I now have no respect for Kevin Smith or his opinions; he has lost all credibility he used to have. It's OK to dislike SUPERMAN RETURNS and think it's boring (many critics and credible people who post on this forum do (i.e. Matt)), but to think that X-MEN: THE LAST STAND was better is just pathetic. Kevin Smith is now a blind, fanboyish, idiotic comic book geek, in my opinion.

 

[fabman]

Damn sh... if people like 'X-Men: The Last Stand' more than 'Superman Returns'!? What the hell, there's nothing wrong with it, you know? I really enjoyed the third 'X-Men,' I'm not saying it's as good as the previous etc. but I really enjoyed the movie.

 

[Showtime]

Every time Kevin Smith opens his mouth in public, somebody on the Hype feels the need to announce the occasion by starting a new thread.

Maybe he should have his own sticky thread, for future updates and news items such as this one.

Maybe we should, then you can post in it and be all kinds of witty.

 

[bunk]

Kevin Smith has a right to his opinion. Saying he thought X3 was better than SR speaks more of his dislike of Singer and his movie than an appreciation of X3. I don't see it as being bitter anyway. If he wanted to make a big budget comic movie of his own I think he could make it happen, and if his is bitter, it's in the same way every other fanboy is, because of a false sense of entitlement.

 

[fabman]

Well, on the other side 'X2' is one of his fav superhero movies, so I don't think he has something against Bryan Singer. He just liked 'X-Men 3' more than 'Superman Returns.'

 

[bunk]

That's true. I was just remembering his earliest comments about SR where he said something about it not being gay enough or something. It seemed kind of personal.

 

[lujho]

people calling the vague continuity a "bit lazy" are being quite generous. It's not just a bit lazy, it's f**king stupid. Period. Either have it fully in continuity or fully out.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

people calling the vague continuity a "bit lazy" are being quite generous. It's not just a bit lazy, it's f**king stupid. Period. Either have it fully in continuity or fully out.

The point was to have a film that could stand on its own without going back and telling the origin again. They felt that Donner's film did the origin perfect so they bridged from that and only that. One can fit II in there if they want to, but it wasn't really in their plans.

 

[Catman]

Smith is a bitter guy, which he disguises a lot with jokes and such. He's still angry to Peters and Burton. He lists Batman as a favourite superhero mvie then he disses it to attack Burton, etc. No surprise here if he say he didn't like SR; he's still resentful that he was fired from the project.

I agree 100% Back in July when Clerks II was released, Smith, was on Conan and was asked about his opinions on Superman Returns. He said he liked it and now he says he hates it.

He contradicts himself more than 2PAC.

 

[ultimatefan]

Singer said that in interviews with mediums the general public never touches. Giving Bluetights the scoop on that isn't exactly a way to reach a broad audience. Its understandable how people could be confused. Besides, "a vague history" is just that...vague. Singer picked and choose what he wanted and didn't so it would suit him instead of either doing a full on sequel or creating his own universe, and that my friend...is lazy film making.



But you can't compare the two characters. Batman is a human being where as Superman is a man who can do practically anything. People expect Batman to be darker, heavier on plot, etc. Superman however had the potential to be a fun, action filled blockbuster (and yes, those can still have good characters and plot)...and even if Batman is slower, that doesn't make it boring. There is a gianormous difference between slow and boring.

That being said, my problem wasn't the lack of action. It was an incoherent plot, a boring narrative, and unlikable characters that killed it for me.

Matt, this movie was dead for you before a single frame of it showed up. You could have seen the second coming of Jesus and you´d have said, "what took you so long?"

 

[Matt]

Matt, this movie was dead for you before a single frame of it showed up. You could have seen the second coming of Jesus and you´d have said, "what took you so long?"

Nonsense. Feel free to read some posts both before and even after Singer signed on. It was only once plot details were revealed that I felt reservations...then it became worse and worse. And way to ignore the three very valid points I made

 

[El Payaso]

Kevin Smith has a right to his opinion. Saying he thought X3 was better than SR speaks more of his dislike of Singer and his movie than an appreciation of X3. I don't see it as being bitter anyway. If he wanted to make a big budget comic movie of his own I think he could make it happen, and if his is bitter, it's in the same way every other fanboy is, because of a false sense of entitlement.

Man, ...

That's true. I was just remembering his earliest comments about SR where he said something about it not being gay enough or something. It seemed kind of personal.

That's right.

If he wanted to make a big budget comic movie of his own I think he could make it happens

SMITH: "No, it really comes down to I'm really not talented enough to pull off a movie like that, [GREEN HORNET]" says 'Clerks II' director Kevin Smith. "It was between that and 'Clerks II' and I drove toward 'Clerks II' in such a big, bad way and almost had to fight Harvey Weinstein to do 'Clerks II' as opposed to a 'Green Hornet' movie, cuz he's like, 'it's time for you to grow and stretch as a filmmaker' and I'm like, 'doesn't anybody get it after twelve years? I'm not that talented. This is what I do [well].' "


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