Superman Returns Kevin Smith's experience with Superman (Returns)

[Captain Kirk]

Now THAT is too convulted.

Hey, if its a trilogy it could work quite well. (defensive about his writing skills) I am sure it could work.

 

[DorkyFresh]

The majority is always right...I forgot.

oh shove off with your 'majority rules' excuse. i'm not talking about the majority...i could give a rats ass what anyone else thinks. i, myself, think Peters is a tool. even if everyone thought he was a cool guy, i'd STILL think he were a dumbass. i'm not talking about the majority. i'm talking about the hard facts and the hard fact is that Peters ideas were so unfaithful to the Superman mythos that fan uproar actually stopped the film from getting made, meanwhile, most fans are greatful for Singer's much deeper and faithful approach.

Lets not forget, the majority of Germany elected Hitler.

why do you have to bring up Hitler? i'm sure C.Lee would love to read this. keep Hitler out of this. he's not related to the topic of discussion in anyway...

Lets not forget, the majority of Germany elected Hitler. The majority of idiots keep seeing Rob Schneider movies and getting them made...and the current idiot is in office because of the majority.

haha...proves what you know. that idiot would be in office regardless seeing as how the people of America had NO power over the last 2 elections.

and once again...you're bringing up a powerful government figure that's looked down upon to further your lame and irrelevant 'majority rules' argument. you keep blaming us for using 'excuses' to defend Singer...well, now you're using the 'majority' excuse, why? sympathy? to give validity for why you think the way you do? i dunno...but it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with what Kevin Smith said or why Peters is a nutcase. please stick to the topic and try not to bring up Hitler, Bush, or the 'majority' excuse...

...Peters is a rich snob with too big of a head that's full of nothing but stupid ideas. plain and simple.

 

[Matt]

oh shove off with your 'majority rules' excuse. i'm not talking about the majority...i could give a rats ass what anyone else thinks. i, myself, think Peters is a tool. even if everyone thought he was a cool guy, i'd STILL think he were a dumbass. i'm not talking about the majority. i'm talking about the hard facts and the hard fact is that Peters ideas were so unfaithful to the Superman mythos that fan uproar actually stopped the film from getting made, meanwhile, most fans are greatful for Singer's much deeper and faithful approach.


why do you have to bring up Hitler? i'm sure C.Lee would love to read this. keep Hitler out of this. he's not related to the topic of discussion in anyway...


haha...proves what you know. that idiot would be in office regardless seeing as how the people of America had NO power over the last 2 elections.

and once again...you're bringing up a powerful government figure that's looked down upon to further your lame and irrelevant 'majority rules' argument. you keep blaming us for using 'excuses' to defend Singer...well, now you're using the 'majority' excuse, why? sympathy? to give validity for why you think the way you do? i dunno...but it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with what Kevin Smith said or why Peters is a nutcase. please stick to the topic and try not to bring up Hitler, Bush, or the 'majority' excuse...

...Peters is a rich snob with too big of a head that's full of nothing but stupid ideas. plain and simple.

You're the one who tried to play the majority is always right card.

And if I'm not mistaken, C. Lee got mad because someone called another poster a Nazi. I did nothing of the sort. I just pointed out a few occassions where the majority is wrong.

Notice how civil the conversation between Robocop, Kirk, and I was before you came into this thread?

 

[DorkyFresh]

Notice how civil the conversation between Robocop, Kirk, and I was before you came into this thread?

oh please, this coming from the guy who uses phrases like 'he was in bed with Peters', 'he grabbed his ankles for Peters', and 'Smith was the one willing to bend over and take it'? yeah......real civil there pal. good job!

but you're right...this thread was calm before i came, i admit....my fault. i'll play by the rules. just know that you'll be called out if you do the same thing (act uncivil).

You're the one who tried to play the majority is always right card.

i brought up the fans liking Singer's Superman over Peters's. YOU'RE the one that was pushing the 'majority is always right' argument...

And if I'm not mistaken, C. Lee got mad because someone called another poster a Nazi. I did nothing of the sort. I just pointed out a few occassions where the majority is wrong.

Nazi...Hitler....same difference. they both have nothing to do with Kevin Smith, Jon Peters or Bryan Singer.

 

[Matt]

oh please, this coming from the guy who uses phrases like 'he was in bed with Peters', 'he grabbed his ankles for Peters', and 'Smith was the one willing to bend over and take it'? yeah......real civil there pal. good job!

but you're right...this thread was calm before i came, i admit....my fault. i'll play by the rules. just know that you'll be called out if you do the same thing (act uncivil).

They are all common expressions. Nothing more, nothing less. No gay inuendos were meant. They were not to say Peters and Smith had physical relations.

i brought up the fans liking Singer's Superman over Peters's. YOU'RE the one that was pushing the 'majority is always right' argument...

No, I never claimed the majority is always right. You did.

Nazi...Hitler....same difference. they both have nothing to do with Kevin Smith, Jon Peters or Bryan Singer.

No, its using an analogy. Its not accusing anyone on these boards or involved in the project of being Nazis, like Hitler, etc.

 

[ultimatefan]

I been trying to DL the video for a couple days and I only got to see a few minutes... can anyone upload it or transcribe it?

 

[DorkyFresh]

No, I never claimed the majority is always right. You did.

i'm sorry? come again? when did i ever post that the majority is always right? i simply said that everyone hated Peters's ideas and most people like Singer's. where in that statement did i claim that anyone was right or wrong?

No, its using an analogy. Its not accusing anyone on these boards or involved in the project of being Nazis, like Hitler, etc.

whatever. your reason or excuse doesn't matter. they still have nothing to do with Peters, Smith, or Singer.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

They are all common expressions. Nothing more, nothing less. No gay inuendos were meant. They were not to say Peters and Smith had physical relations.

From dictionary.com:

in·nu·en·do - An indirect or subtle, usually derogatory implication in expression; an insinuation.

For all we know you were insinuating. We can't know for sure because unlike yourself we are incapable of reading minds or judging people we do not know directly.

You really should be banned because it could easily be percieved as gay innuendo. I don't think SHH tolerates that sort of immaturity (and rightfully so).

 

[Matt]

From dictionary.com:

in·nu·en·do - An indirect or subtle, usually derogatory implication in expression; an insinuation.

For all we know you were insinuating. We can't know for sure because unlike yourself we are incapable of reading minds or judging people we do not know directly.

You really should be banned because it could easily be percieved as gay innuendo. I don't think SHH tolerates that sort of immaturity (and rightfully so).

Oh yes, a common expression that is used by millions on a daily basis is a gay innuedno

Heres an idea, use that dictionary of yours to look up the word analogy and show your friend Dorky.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Oh yes, a common expression that is used by millions on a daily basis is a gay innuedno

Heres an idea, use that dictionary of yours to look up the word analogy and show your friend Dorky.

Oh, so if it is used by millions, then it ceases to be an innuendo? GREAT logic, as always.

I really do enjoy reading your posts because just about everything you say is laughably ridiculous.

Let me ask you, are you intentionally dislikeable or does it come naturally?

 

[Matt]

Oh, so if it is used by millions, then it ceases to be an innuendo? GREAT logic, as always.

I really do enjoy reading your posts because just about everything you say is laughably ridiculous.

Let me ask you, are you intentionally dislikeable or does it come naturally?

No, you are TRYING to make it into an innuendo. Trying to play it off as if I said something horrible when it simply a common phrase. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ultimatefan]

Why don´t you kids just put it on the table and measure it? (that´s from Bones, love that line...)

 

[Matt]

Why don´t you kids just put it on the table and measure it? (that´s from Bones, love that line...)

Hehe, Bones is a good show. Ultimatefan, you know me pretty well, please tell SS that I am not a bigot, maybe then he will shut up.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Oh yes, a common expression that is used by millions on a daily basis is a gay innuedno

i work with a bunch of sailors and as rude and anti-gay as they are...'in bed with (random name)' and 'grabbing his ankles' are not phrases i hear everyday...

...it's obvious you typed them as insults to Kevin Smith. you could've said he sold out or that he betrayed his fellow nerds, but you had to describe what happened between 2 men (Smith and Peters) as Smith 'grabbing his ankles' for Peters.

if you expect us to play civil, then you need to play the same game. end of story.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

No, you are TRYING to make it into an innuendo. Trying to play it off as if I said something horrible when it simply a common phrase. Nothing more, nothing less.

A common phrase? There's many common phrases that I can't say on here because of profanity filters, but those are alright because many people use them, right?

When you associate something derogatory -- such as your perception that Kevin Smith was at the whim of Peters for example -- with an aspect of a particular lifestyle, religion, race, etc. that is probably different from your own -- such as an act of homosexuality -- that is NOT acceptable.

Go use your 'alternate lifestyle' "analogies" in the presence of those that partake of alternate lifestyles. I'm sure they would love that.

Wow, you're getting more ridiculous and clueless by the minute. I almost feel sorry for you.

 

[ultimatefan]

Hehe, Bones is a good show. Ultimatefan, you know me pretty well, please tell SS that I am not a bigot, maybe then he will shut up.

SS, he´s not a bigot. I may disagree with 90% of what he´s said about SR, but he´s not a bigot. He´s been on the boards a long time, you guys can perfectly well have a civil argument.

 

[Matt]

SS, he´s not a bigot. I may disagree with 90% of what he´s said about SR, but he´s not a bigot. He´s been on the boards a long time, you guys can perfectly well have a civil argument.

Cheers Ultimatefan

 

[ultimatefan]

Cheers Ultimatefan

No problemo.

 

[Showtime]

Yes, they are. You cannot debate tangibles with "What ifs".

Second, Smith stayed on the project and was plenty content until the day Burton fired him. Only afterwards did he start to ***** about Peters. That is also a fact.

Again, you can't prove that Smith was content, you weren't there during the process. This is not fact. It is a fact that he did publically complain aftwards, doesn't mean he wasn't complaining to friends, family, or Jay & Silent Bob during the process.

 

[TheWebline]

WATCH IT, it's one of the funniest stories I've heard. Smith is a very funny, articulate, and entertaining story teller, and if you don't watch it all, I feel very sorry for you for sadly missing out on a barrel of laughs. Even though it's long, I watch it a lot occasionally when I need a good laugh.

While it is somewhat humorous and Smith is an obviously great writer, I find it hard to take a person seriously who swears after very other word/sentence. I find it disturbing that he is speaking in what looks like a professional setting and using so much unecessary profanity. I guess I'm just getting old.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

The idea that profanity is a predictor of non-intelligence is one of the oddest american myths I've ever come across.

Why would it disturb you? That's the question. Because most people can't even explain why those words are considered "Bad" in the first place, or offer up competent reasoning as to why they should stay that way.

Also, I know it's been pointed out before, but it bears repeating on page 11, but the thread is asinine because Kevin Smith HAS NO EXPERIENCE with Superman Returns. He was on the project almost a decade before Superman Returns was even concieved. As such--I have no idea why this is in the spoiler forum at all. It's an old as dirt topic.

 

[Matt]

While it is somewhat humorous and Smith is an obviously great writer, I find it hard to take a person seriously who swears after very other word/sentence. I find it disturbing that he is speaking in what looks like a professional setting and using so much unecessary profanity. I guess I'm just getting old.

Apparently you've never talked to anyone from New Jersey.

 

[Matt]

Again, you can't prove that Smith was content, you weren't there during the process. This is not fact. It is a fact that he did publically complain aftwards, doesn't mean he wasn't complaining to friends, family, or Jay & Silent Bob during the process.

But the fact is, he stayed on. Smith at that point was doing alright for himself. Dogma was getting made. He did not NEED the money at the point. He made the CHOICE to stay on the project. Certainly something someone who was financially secure wouldn't do if they were unhappy with the job.

All I am saying is, he bares as much responsibility as Peters. He may run his mouth that it is all Peters fault...but that horrid Superman Lives script still has his name on it.

 

[Nivek]

Apparently you've never talked to anyone from New Jersey.

Or New York for that matter.

 

[charl_huntress]

Okay, wait a minute...I sort of bowed out of this debate, but I'm curious because of some of the things I just read.

I had always thought that it was a known fact that prior to Smith's inclusion into the failed Peters project all of Peter's prior recommendations had been rejected (by some means or another) because they were f-ing stupid. No matter which writer or director was sent to him, he came up with some idiotic ideas. That has been Peter's call to shame in regards to Superman for years has it not? How is it that this rumored Smith conspiracy came into play because everything I read has said every Peters' version of Superman has had problems because he injected his wierd views about his 'street-like MOS'.