Kick Ass 2 announcement coming soon - Part 1

[flickchick85]

So did Night ***** get raped or not, was a point of contention between my friend and me.

I dont think she did

I don't think so, either. They gave her a serious beating obviously, but after he couldn't get it up, The Mother****er seemed to abandon the whole rape plan and just told his henchman to "Hurt her. Badly."

 

[DrDoom]

^I thought the scene implied pretty heavily that she did, TMF was trying to get hard to do so, and then he told the other guy to hurt her, with some of the sadistic things he did in the movie, I am pretty sure rape was one of the things he meant when he said hurt her.

Funny that rape he was ok with but killing a dog would make him a sick-**** in his eyes

 

[flickchick85]

Funny that rape he was ok with but killing a dog would make him a sick-**** in his eyes

Which was of course a big change from the comic, but I think it works for the satire aspect, since he gets his entire perspective from pop culture, and in movies/TV, violence against humans is normal, while violence against animals is particularly heinous.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Which was of course a big change from the comic, but I think it works for the satire aspect, since he gets his entire perspective from pop culture, and in movies/TV, violence against humans is normal, while violence against animals is particularly heinous.

I think as well though it was a bit of a commentary on pop culture violence in movies/TV. People are perfectly fine with all manner of devious and evil things being depicted as done to humans, but involve an animal and the audience will go crazy, saying the show/movie went too far, etc. It has happened in real-life with audience reactions to dogs getting killed in movies were humans are tortured or worse.

I actually think in this regard KA is a cleverer movie than it is being given credit for.

 

[the last son]

I agree with everyone on the dog comments.

 

[K.Cruz]

I would have walked out of the theater if that dog scene from the comic had been included. Too disgusting and vile.

 

[Loki882]

The dog was yet another example of Mark Millar taking things way too far and being shocking purely for the sake of it. No, I don't think that NB was raped, just really badly beaten.

 

[DACrowe]

I think the child murder and the rape is vile and an example of Millar being quite demented in his poor attempts at shock value.

The dog? I Could have live with. Game of Thrones did it.

 

[K.Cruz]

The dog was yet another example of Mark Millar taking things way too far and being shocking purely for the sake of it. No, I don't think that NB was raped, just really badly beaten.

Exactly my thoughts. Millar has very little skill as a writer, so he relies on shock value far too much.

The dog? I Could have live with. Game of Thrones did it

Game of thrones isn't a compass for everything. All of it is gross, vile, and unnecessary: The dog, the rape, etc. No need for any of it. As for Game of Thrones, obviously you're a big fan of the show, but I consider it to be just another in a long line of overrated TV shows that rely too much on sex and violence- The bridge, pretty much every show on Showtime.

 

[PyroChamber]

I don't get why they cut out some of the stuff we saw in the leaked final fight scene. I can understand the removing of "Avengers assemble" but they could have kept the dog showing up.

 

[DACrowe]

Exactly my thoughts. Millar has very little skill as a writer, so he relies on shock value far too much.



Game of thrones isn't a compass for everything. All of it is gross, vile, and unnecessary: The dog, the rape, etc. No need for any of it. As for Game of Thrones, obviously you're a big fan of the show, but I consider it to be just another in a long line of overrated TV shows that rely too much on sex and violence- The bridge, pretty much every show on Showtime.

Something tells me that you have not watched Game of Thrones.

It does have gratuitous nudity and violence (though quite a bit less than the KA films in the latter's case), but it is an exquisitely written, acted and told series. Same goes for a number of shows you may be writing off like HOmeland (which has nudity or violence about once every three or four eps) and Rome.

In any event, I do think the dog thing could have given the movie an edge if handled right, not dissimilar to when Big Daddy kills all those people in the first film.

However, I would not trust Wadlow to thread the needle, considering how poorly he handled the death of Dave's dad and the whole neighborhood scene with MF and Mother Russia.

So you may have a point, in this case.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't get why they cut out some of the stuff we saw in the leaked final fight scene. I can understand the removing of "Avengers assemble" but they could have kept the dog showing up.

I can live without the Avengers Assemble line, it would have seemed a bit cheesy for me. But I didnt know the dog showed up, that would have been great! Wish they had kept that in.

Maybe in a directors cut one day?

Something tells me that you have not watched Game of Thrones.

It does have gratuitous nudity and violence (though quite a bit less than the KA films in the latter's case), but it is an exquisitely written, acted and told series. Same goes for a number of shows you may be writing off like HOmeland (which has nudity or violence about once every three or four eps) and Rome.

In any event, I do think the dog thing could have given the movie an edge if handled right, not dissimilar to when Big Daddy kills all those people in the first film.

However, I would not trust Wadlow to thread the needle, considering how poorly he handled the death of Dave's dad and the whole neighborhood scene with MF and Mother Russia.

So you may have a point, in this case.

Agree about GoT, it is a superb show that is much than just sex and violence.

 

[K.Cruz]

Something tells me that you have not watched Game of Thrones.

It does have gratuitous nudity and violence (though quite a bit less than the KA films in the latter's case), but it is an exquisitely written, acted and told series. Same goes for a number of shows you may be writing off like HOmeland (which has nudity or violence about once every three or four eps) and Rome.

In any event, I do think the dog thing could have given the movie an edge if handled right, not dissimilar to when Big Daddy kills all those people in the first film.

However, I would not trust Wadlow to thread the needle, considering how poorly he handled the death of Dave's dad and the whole neighborhood scene with MF and Mother Russia.

So you may have a point, in this case.

VERY dissimilar to when Big Daddy kills a bunch of criminals in the first movie. Those comparisons are not even remotely alike in any way. The warehouse scene with Big Daddy was incredible. Taking that dog scene from the comic and putting it into the movie would have been vile and disgusting. Obviously it's not a big deal to you, but it is for me and many others I've spoken to on this site, twitter, IMDb, etc.

I find it very odd that you think a bunch of really bad guys getting killed by one of the heroes of the film is the same as the dog of a good guy getting its head cut off and placed on said good guy's shoulders. One is a "Man, that guy is cool" moment. The other is a "Now that was just was gross, disturbing, and pointless" moment. The big daddy warehouse scene is in the movie to show what happened to the warehouse and the people inside of it. The dog scene in the comic is there purely for shock value.

As for GOT, I used to love it. Fantastic writing (unlike the majority of the shows that get nominated for awards nowadays), but lately it has devolved a great deal, in my opinion. Same with The Bridge. Started out very strong, then devolved into a soap opera. Give me Endeavour (British show) over any of the showtime or HBO shows any day of the week.

 

[DACrowe]

I didn't say it would not be a big deal. Merely that it would have shaken the viewer with shock at how brutal the film is. That can be done with a deft hand, such as when Big Daddy killed those people in a horrifyingly graphic and way with plenty of gore (for a superhero movie) and that thumping music from 28 Days Later. It's why they use it again when John Leguizamo dies, a character that we like. It is the only moment in KA2 that is at least in the ball park of the stunning darkness of the first one, such as when Big Daddy dies himself.

I think doing the dog's death (off-screen) could have not been dissimilar, but it would need tack and restraint in how it was handled. Considering how poorly Wadlow handled things like Stars and Stripes' death, Dave's dad's death, Mindy getting even at school with the mean girls and pretty much everything MF did in Katie's neighborhood...

Yeah, I am glad that did get cut. But it could work.

As for GOT, I'm surprise to hear you think it's going downhill. Season 3 was it's absolute best year. It also had less nudity and violence, technically speaking, than Season 1. Beyond that, it was a beautifully written season with a major moment that twisted the narrative nearly every week. Season 4, judging by the book, will be even better.

 

[Loki882]

You don't need to add a dog getting killed and beheaded, or a bunch of children being gunned down while Motherf***er laughs, or a teenage girl being gang-raped in order to shock the viewer. It's just gratuitous and disgusting. Mother Russia killing those cops, or Kick Ass's dad being killed, or Colonel Stars being killed is plenty.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I did think the movie had enough violence, it was about on par with the 1st movie that regard, neither really outdid the other.

 

[def28]

I liked alot of the deaths here but they did lack the impact of part 1. Obviously the shock of Hit Girl was alot more fresh but the trash compactor gets a laugh from me everytime, and the Big Daddy rescue scene was pretty damn well done. Had no idea the first film would have a scene like that. Cage did a great job. Was very satisfied with the changing of his death.

 

[DACrowe]

You don't need to add a dog getting killed and beheaded, or a bunch of children being gunned down while Motherf***er laughs, or a teenage girl being gang-raped in order to shock the viewer. It's just gratuitous and disgusting. Mother Russia killing those cops, or Kick Ass's dad being killed, or Colonel Stars being killed is plenty.

Never said anything about the kids or what happened to Katie. Don't put words in others' mouth.

I actually thought the Mother Russia and cops scene was repulsive and quite offensive. Very poorly done.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Watched this again last night, my brother came along as well, he thought it was just as good as the 1st movie, my rating still stays the same, I think this is the most under-rated movie of the year by far.

 

[warhorse78]

Based on what? And as much as I enjoyed the first Kick-Ass, and tolerate Kick-Ass 2 as an acceptable (if disappointing) follow-up, both of which had a lot of Internet hype before release. And Internet hype also would lead one to believe that Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Snakes on a Plane, Hulk '03 and an R-rated Aliens vs. Predator movie would be hits...it doesn't quite pan out that way.

This is an example of "fan" culture and mainstream culture not agreeing, and as fan culture rules the Internet...inversely it is why World War Z can be a hit despite years of Internet whining and trashing, Michael Bay still gets to make movies and The Dark Knight Rises was well received, despite what comic readers think.

With that said, I still am delusional enough to mildly hope for a third. It will only happen if Matthew Vaughn is determined to see it exist, and there is a significant budget cut. Neither of which I see happening. But hey, I will be happily surprised if it impossibly does happen.

I was going by IMDb, which tends to be pretty close to what is going on in general amongst the internet. And I just checked it out now, and Kick Ass is now number one most popular movie on that site, along with Chloe as most populer actor.

I also read somewhere that Chloe stated that she won't return to a third Kick Ass without Vaughn directing.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was going by IMDb, which tends to be pretty close to what is going on in general amongst the internet. And I just checked it out now, and Kick Ass is now number one most popular movie on that site, along with Chloe as most populer actor.

I also read somewhere that Chloe stated that she won't return to a third Kick Ass without Vaughn directing.

Well that seems strange considering she jumped into the sequel without Vaughn there, I cant see that comment being true and if it was I would imagine it was said long before the sequel was put into production.

Ideally if we get a 3rd movie I would prefer Vaughn to return, but I wouldnt mind Wadlow directing again either as he showed a lot of potential with KA2.

His action scene's especially were great, Hit Girl vs Mother Russia may be my favourite fight scene this year.

 

[TheToker87]

I read the same quote, can't remember where though. It was along these lines,

"If the script is good and with the right director, probably Matthew, then yeah"

This was in response to being directly asked if she'd be interested in doing a part 3. I'm pretty sure it was in a recent interview during promo for Kick Ass 2, so not an old quote.

 

[sontin]

I also read somewhere that Chloe stated that she won't return to a third Kick Ass without Vaughn directing.

I knew only this interview:

She added: "I would only do the third one if it was logical. It needs to be a good script and a director, probably Matthew. The third film needs to fully wrap up the series and has to be a good note to end on."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/e...ws/moretz-bugatti-for-kickass-3-29503871.html

 

[TheToker87]

That's the one! She says 'probably Matthew' - that kind of implies she didn't like working with Wadlow, or maybe just preferred working with Vaughn. It's a bit of a gentle slap in the face to Wadlow though

 

[sontin]

She said in a interview on youtube that Wadlow was nearly the opposite of Vaughn. So i think she liked Vaughn's behaviour more than Wadlow's.