The Dark Knight Rises Killer Croc

[mcallima]

Oh so you don't have an actual argument as to why Croc should look like Godzilla Jr. You just hated a book.


Awesome.

You're making assumptions. Awesome.

I want Croc to look like he did in BTAS and his earlier comic appearances, not like some black guy with sharp teeth. I just don't trust Nolan to do that, as he was unwilling to give us a bleached Joker.

This is fairly close to what I would want:

http://www.markmcallister.ca/killer_croc.jpg

 

[Punisher Rising]

I like that look for Croc a lot and wouldn't mind him looking like that in a live-action film.

 

[KalMart]

Probably more appropriate for a Del Toro Batman version....which could be cool.

 

[TheBatman072]

You're making assumptions. Awesome.

I want Croc to look like he did in BTAS and his earlier comic appearances, not like some black guy with sharp teeth. I just don't trust Nolan to do that, as he was unwilling to give us a bleached Joker.

This is fairly close to what I would want:

http://www.markmcallister.ca/killer_croc.jpg

You say you want him to look like he did in his original appearences. THAT picture is not how Croc looked in his original appearences. Which was Detective Comics #523.

Well, Croc has a skin condition called Epidermolytic hyperkeratosis. This is what that looks like:

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/125/UCDcases/epidermolytic/2.jpg

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/125/UCDcases/epidermolytic/1.jpg

Looks pretty damn close to what Croc looked like in the Joker Hardcover.

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Croc

In recent years, Killer Croc has been portrayed as being much more reptilian than in past incarnations. An action figure made by Kenner toys in 1998 featured a tail and dinosaur-like feet. When Mattel got the license to make DC products in the early 2000s, they released their own version of Killer Croc, sculpted by the Four Horsemen. This version also featured a tail and dinosaur feet. In late 2005, a re-release of this figure was modified so that the tail, along with his shirt, was removed. This version also sports a more "human" head.
The 2002-2003 Batman storyline Hush featured a more bestial Croc who had been mutated against his will to appear more reptilian. This version of the character was drawn by artist Jim Lee.
In the graphic novel, Joker, written by Brian Azzarello and artist Lee Bermejo, Croc is portrayed as a thug, a large, muscular African American man with a scaly skin condition. Of all his previous designs, this is the most human. He is missing his abnormally long snout, tail and claws. However, the book seems to hint that this Croc enjoys feeding on human flesh ("Croc has a certain... eccentric way with evidence", is one way the narrator of the story, Jonny Frost, puts it.) This vision of the character continues on from Azzarello's previous work on Batman, Broken City.

 

[mcallima]

Comic reality and reality are two different things, my friend. I don't care if a person could look like Croc in real life, only that it makes sense within the confines of a movie.

Do you think that someone could have the facial injuries that Nolan's Two-Face had and walk around, killing people? No, it's impossible, but it looked cool and made sense within the confines of the film.

 

[TheBatman072]

Comic reality and reality are two different things, my friend. I don't care if a person could look like Croc in real life, only that it makes sense within the confines of a movie.

Do you think that someone could have the facial injuries that Nolan's Two-Face had and walk around, killing people? No, it's impossible, but it looked cool and made sense within the confines of the film.

That's why it's called Realistic Fantasy, pal. From Nolan's mouth itself.

What I'M saying is that you're contradicting yourself. You say you want him to look like a Godzilla baby from the American movie remake, and then you say you want him to look like he did in his original appearences. Well, Croc looked a lot closer to the Joker hardcover version in his original appearences than the tiny dinosaur he is now.

 

[mcallima]

That's why it's called Realistic Fantasy, pal. From Nolan's mouth itself.

What I'M saying is that you're contradicting yourself. You say you want him to look like a Godzilla baby from the American movie remake, and then you say you want him to look like he did in his original appearences. Well, Croc looked a lot closer to the Joker hardcover version in his original appearences than the tiny dinosaur he is now.

Where did I say I say that I wanted him to look like a dinosaur? Does the picture I posted have a tail? Does it have a snout? No.

Boy, it's easy to win arguments when you get to put words in the other guy's mouth.

 

[TheBatman072]

Where did I say I say that I wanted him to look like a dinosaur? Does the picture I posted have a tail? Does it have a snout? No.

Boy, it's easy to win arguments when you get to put words in the other guy's mouth.

Doesn't matter. He still looks like a dinosaur. Even without a tail or long snout.


Even more-so now, in the comics. Like in Hush. That's boring and stupid. He might as well go right over to the Marvel Universe and fight Spider-Man. Because that's who they made Croc into.

 

[mcallima]

Doesn't matter. He still looks like a dinosaur. Even without a tail or long snout.


Even more-so now, in the comics. Like in Hush. That's boring and stupid. He might as well go right over to the Marvel Universe and fight Spider-Man. Because that's who they made Croc into.

Well, that's your opinion. I agree that the current comics have gone way too far, but I have no interest in seeing Azzarello's Croc, or any of his other characters for that matter, on screen.

 

[TheBatman072]

Well, that's your opinion. I agree that the current comics have gone way too far, but I have no interest in seeing Azzarello's Croc, or any of his other characters for that matter, on screen.

Did he not give you an autograph at a con or something?

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Remember when Jonny went to get him? And Croc was eating, and got all pissed off and hung Jonny on a hook? In the big pan next to Croc there was a human skull floating in the stew/blood.


And I actually liked his Riddler. The comic book canon description of the Riddler was taken to the extreme in this book. A small man, physically weak but VERY, incredibly smart. Just that concept taken to the extreme but in a very realistic, down-to-earth manner.

Hmm...missed that part I guess. I thought the book was very graphic and pushed the limits of what a comic could do---especially the scene where that one guy gets skinned alive but it showed just how dark Joker and Harl could go.

 

[mcallima]

Did he not give you an autograph at a con or something?

Never been to a con. I just think he's a poor writer, and Joker was the antithesis of what I enjoy about the Batman world.

 

[TheBatman072]

Hmm...missed that part I guess. I thought the book was very graphic and pushed the limits of what a comic could do---especially the scene where that one guy gets skinned alive but it showed just how dark Joker and Harl could go.

I missed that part too the first time I read it.


But then I noticed the irregularity and looked closer. It was a skull. Small one too.

 

[envybianchi]

I think Killer Croc shouldn't have scales. He has a skin disease right? So to cover the skin problem Croc goes through a scarification process for his entire body.
In Ethiopia, the Dinka's go through a ritual where they cut a 1/4 to 3/4 sized gashes into the skin. Once it heals, the scars look like bumps all over the skin.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Scarification_as_Body_Art This is not the best example but I think it gets the idea across.
Same concept could be applied to Croc's skin but he does it all over his body & he does it only to cover up his skin condition. He then modifies his teeth to be sharp & stronger & so on.
This would put him in a realism that Nolan would probably go for. This also gives Killer Croc a background of sorts. He lived with a tribe that had a ritual scarfication but he just took it further. His body size & skin condition made him an outcast & used as a tool. Eventually it took a toll on him, made him hate everything & everyone. He went berserk/primal & goes on killing sprees.
That is not a definite story. I just pulled it out of my $$$ as an example but you get the idea. I'm just trying to keep him realistic to fit in the universe Nolan has created for Batman.

Edit: No one mentioned about the Killer Croc that is in the new Batman game (Batman: Arkham Asylum). Link for Killer Croc's pic - http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/batmanarkhamasylum/images/0/35/?full_size=1

 

[Nepenthes]

Nolans already established a pattern where villains degenerate on screen into something worse or more deranged than they were in the beginning. Using the same trick with Croc you could start him as a respectable leader (with a background in underground fight rings, man-vs-man, animal-vs-animal, man-vs-animal!) and then when his crew is dismantled by another villain, mobster or Batman himself he flips out and descends into a more beast like state of mind. So he goes from furs and guns and Cadillacs to crawling through sewers to sneak into enemies hideouts trying to fight his way back to the top and lunging at innocent people who walk in dark alleys. You could use the whole contrived "Killer Croc" gangster image as his veneer of status and respect which basically just masks a scared and animalistic desperation. Throughout the movie you get the best of two portrayals as well as a sad character arc of sorts. There's no scales, just body modification. or he could be an African American albino, they're very striking to look at.

 

[namtaB]

Nolans already established a pattern where villains degenerate on screen into something worse or more deranged than they were in the beginning.

Is this really unique to Nolan? Doesn't every villain in every superhero film escalate into something worse and become more brazen as the story progresses to establish the climactic hero v. villain moment?

 

[El Payaso]

Probably more appropriate for a Del Toro Batman version....which could be cool.

If Del Toro is directing rthen it might be cool but visually only.

 

[mrbrownie]

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Awesome.

 

[Punisher Rising]

Recently seeing Croc's appearance in The Joker GN, I was reminded about how much I REALLY don't like that look for him. I know Nolan would definitely not go for a mammoth Croc that looks like a dinosaur but I would hope he wouldn't go for the Croc of that comic either, which doesn't even look like the character to me, it looks like some big guy with some weird-lookng skin. Croc's appearance in that GN was pretty much the only thing I disliked about it. I don't mind this look or this look or even this look. The latter of whom would probably be the most likely in a Nolan Batman movie, and I wouldn't mind that look.

As for who could play him, after re-watching the new Friday The 13th movie, Derek Mears would do a great job as Croc, I think. He has that aggressive body language to him that's needed for the character but also an intelligence. Not saying to make Croc into Jason at all, but Derek has the physique and talent to be Croc. Voicewise, someone with a gravelly and gruff voice would obviously have to do the voice for the character, with a beastly growling undertone added in post-production.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

I've always liked Croc, and he'd make a perfect cameo villain.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Possibly medical alterations.

 

[Aureate]

Croc is best left in comics; he won't be believable on the big screen. Who really thought the Hulk was believable? CGI can't make him real. He is a comic book character; and he belongs there. Or in an animated series where all bets are off.

I guess you can say this is the thread to discuss Killer Croc in either the next film or the film that comes after Nolan concludes his run on the series. I'd imagine Croc most likely won't be in the third film although one never knows for sure, and at the moment nothing is concrete about what may or may not be in the third film.

Saying Croc is to appear in the third film with Nolan at the helm, how do you think they can do his appearance to make him adaptable with the realism formula that's likely to remain onboard as long as Nolan's at the helm? I am personally not a fan of how he was portrayed in The Joker GN and would be disappointed if he was to be that way on film. While I would love to see a monstrously huge Croc like in Hush and the upcoming Arkham Asylum game, the chances of that aren't likely at all. I wouldn't mind a live-action Croc that resembles this toy. The toy, IMO, has enough of a humanoid look and he looks like he can be a human with a severe skin condition and a malformed face and set of jaws. His reptile-like skin can easily be due to a skin problem (there's the Treeman who's skin looks exactly like tree bark and IIRC, is actual bark in many sections). Knowing Nolan, I'm sure such an appearance would be toned down considerably to make him look less scaly and reptile-like, but I think they can keep a bit of a scaly look with a malformed face without taking away too much from the appearance.

 

[weezerspider]

Croc is best left in comics; he won't be believable on the big screen. Who really thought the Hulk was believable? CGI can't make him real. He is a comic book character; and he belongs there. Or in an animated series where all bets are off.

I assume you mean Nolan's films, because there are much less believable comic villains that have made it on screen.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Not in batman films though

 

[weezerspider]

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