Kinect and it's effects on the WORLD.

[KALEL114]

Hardcore gamers are not their focus with Kinect, at least right now.

 

[Nathan]

I really can't see how they could make hardcore games playable with Kinect, without relying on some sort of device for button input. So, yeah... I don't ever see them come up with a brilliant way.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I really can't see how they could make hardcore games playable with Kinect, without relying on some sort of device for button input. So, yeah... I don't ever see them come up with a brilliant way.

Who says hardcore games will ever be used ONLY with Kinect? They will use Kinect along side your standard controller. Like the video that i posted, there could be some implementation for head tracking within these games. Shift your head slightly to the right and you on screen hud will move slightly to the right. We have seen the success that type of input has had in some PC games(especially flight sims) and MS has stated thats something they are considering with Kinect. Kinect is first and formost aimed at the casual audience, but thinking there will be no use for it in hardcore titles is just plain naive.

 

[Nathan]

I'm not saying Kinect will have no use, just that there's no way to use Kinect alone. I was responding to the post above of MS finding a "brilliant" way. Using a controller together with the Kinect camera isn't brilliant, it's the Move.

 

[Havok83]

i am sure microsoft will come up with a brilliant way for hardcore gamers to play fps

honestly what hardcore fan would want to drop down the 360 controller to play a FPS with Kinect.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I'm not saying Kinect will have no use, just that there's no way to use Kinect alone. I was responding to the post above of MS finding a "brilliant" way. Using a controller together with the Kinect camera isn't brilliant, it's the Move.

Oh yea i agree. With the complexity of most "hardcore" titles, there is no use for Kinect alone. They will have to implement Kinect on top of the standard controls, which could be quite cool, like the head tracking that has been brought up. We saw some of it with the Forza demo. I think they'll go that route for use in hard core titles. The head tracking would be phenomenal with a title like Forza. Id almost buy Kinect for that alone. I use the racing wheel when i play Forza 3 and the only negative thing about that is that you cant check your side mirror, which in racing is quite critical. With the Kinect head tracking, id be able to glance at my side mirrors and see if another racer was trying to pass me. Things like that on top of the standard controls could make Kinect appeal to the more hardcore crowd. But i agree, there is no way they could remove the controller completely.

 

[Timstuff]

i am sure microsoft will come up with a brilliant way for hardcore gamers to play fps

Here it is:

 

[Flash Facts]

If you were going to troll by posting a picture of a controller you should of at least posted one that would've worked.

 

[KALEL114]

I see it?

 

[Flash Facts]

Not the picture, the controller. A wand would have the same theoretical problem as a camera, movement independent of viewing direction.

The 360 controller would've made a lot more sense.

 

[KALEL114]

It's official.

Microsoft's Kinect add-on for the Xbox 360 will be $150 and come with a copy of Kinect Adventures when the motion controller hits stores in November, the company said today. Kinect games will sell for $50 each.
Microsoft's news today confirms rumor about the price of the add-on that have been making the rounds since the date for Kinect was unveiled at E3 last month.
The Kinect kit will come with both the propitiatory cable that works with Microsoft's latest Xbox 360 and a USB cable and power cord that will work with the original Xbox 360s.
Microsoft will also be selling a new bundle that includes the redesigned Xbox 360 with 4GB of internal flash memory and the Kinect kit for $300 starting on Nov. 4. News of the bundle first broke on Kotaku last month.
Microsoft's product manager Aaron Greenberg says that Microsoft expects that Kinect will be a "huge driver of console sales."
"I think Kinect absolutely presents a unique opportunity to reach a much broader audience then we've spoken to before," Greenberg said.
The Kinect Adventures game includes more than 20 different game modes and supports up to two players at a time. The new motion control add-on will launch along side 15 titles, Greenberg said. While Microsoft can't dictate the price third-party developers sell their games for, the currently announced four internally developed Kinect games will sell for $50, $10 less than most Xbox 360 games.
Kinect goes up against Nintendo's already established and massively successful Wii console, which sells for $200 and comes with the sensor bar, single remote, single nunchuk, a MotionPlus add-on and copies of Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort.
Sony's motion-sensing Move add-on, for the Playstation 3 (which starts at $300), hits on Sept. 19 for a variety of pricing options. The Playstation Move bundle, which includes a single controller, the required camera and a copy of Sports Champions, sells for $100. The sub-controller for the Move sells for $30.

http://kotaku.com/5591138/microsoft-prices-kinect-xbox-360-motion-games

Edit: Pricing for my EU friends with US conversion for comparison.

150 Euros = 193.7700 US dollars
130 British pounds sterling = 198.7440 US dollars

 

[ProjectPat2280]

That price point is way too high. The bundle i think is set at an ok price(199 would of been the right spot), but MS wont see many Kinects move with the 150 dollar price point. Bad move on their part.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Greenberg has confirmed the US price to be $150

 

[Addendum]

I hope this fails hard and that some people at Microsoft lose jobs

 

[Cth]

That price point is way too high. The bundle i think is set at an ok price(199 would of been the right spot), but MS wont see many Kinects move with the 150 dollar price point. Bad move on their part.

It makes sense actually, IMO.

The price point makes the bundle look more appealing, which in turn moves more consoles.

And when you look at it this way:

199 - (Wii)
299 - (Xbox 360 with Kinect Bundle)
399 - (PlayStation 3 with PlayStation Move Bundle)

I can see why they put the bundle at that price.

I don't think MS or Sony are serious about motion control or they'd have been more aggressive with the pricing.

 

[Addendum]

So they attempt to make a bundle appealing, but they have yet to make Kinect appealing at all.

 

[KALEL114]

The bundle looks ok until you realize that they have no plans in the near future to release the HDD seperately. So you will be stuck with the 4gb imternal memory or get a flash drive (maximum 32gb) until they decide they want to release it.

Microsoft doesn’t imagine customers will buy the 4-GB unit and then immediately want to add a 250-GB hard drive.
“You’d have to be pretty bad at making decisions” to do that, Greenberg said.​

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/kinect-price-2/#ixzz0uKP5h9nC​

 

[Cth]

The bundle looks ok until you realize that they have no plans in the near future to release the HDD seperately. So you will be stuck with the 4gb imternal memory or get a flash drive (maximum 32gb) until they decide they want to release it.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/kinect-price-2/#ixzz0uKP5h9nC​

True, but then again, the Wii has made due for years with 512MB internal memory.

Either way, the casual market that's theoretically being targeted may not be the type to download tons of XBLA games, and if so, there's always the memory card solution which is what MS wants.

It's not the best solution and I don't agree with it, but again, that's how they'd been doing things since launching the 360.

So they attempt to make a bundle appealing, but they have yet to make Kinect appealing at all.

For existing gamers, yeah. It's hard to say how casuals may react. After all, people were buying Rock Band bundles left and right. I'd wait until its closer to launch since they're still working on it.

 

[Addendum]

Microsoft doesn’t imagine customers will buy the 4-GB unit and then immediately want to add a 250-GB hard drive.
“You’d have to be pretty bad at making decisions” to do that, Greenberg said.

Talk about irony

 

[Donut]

Talk about irony

Thats funny as if I were to get Kinetic & I do not have the new 360 getting the Bundle & the Hard Drive on its own would be the cheapest thing to do & I am far from Casual

 

[Addendum]

Irony in the sense about a guy from Microsoft commenting on bad decisions. But on recollection, it's more of the pot and the kettle.

 

[Donut]

If anyone wants to get Kinetic for $89.99 instead of $150 or more this deal ends today

http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profiles/blogs/kinect-reasonably-priced-at-89

 

[KALEL114]

If anyone wants to get Kinetic for $89.99 instead of $150 or more this deal ends today

http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profiles/blogs/kinect-reasonably-priced-at-89

For those interested in getting Kinect, make sure you have 6ft of space minimum to play it.

Here's what you'll need to use the Kinect:

• Xbox 360 console
• 6 feet (1.8 meters) between you and your television for play space†
• You!

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Kinect-Sensor-for-Xbox-360/product/C737B081

 

[Cth]

Really? Is this what fanboy trolling has come to?

 

[KALEL114]

Are you referring to me?