Kinect and it's effects on the WORLD.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sure you can look at it that way or you could look at it as something that requires you to be a little less lazy and add something to the mix. Instead of just asking him dirty jokes or being mean to him, why in the world should you not ask him if he's finished his homework or how he feels? Is it really that hard to pretend?

Not really, but what's the point? I don't even like kids in real life. Why would I spend time with a virtual one and ask about his fake, meaningless homework?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Man, that's just weird anyway. You're talking to a non-existent AI on a TV screen asking it how it feels.

 

[Metal Spidey]

Not really, but what's the point? I don't even like kids in real life. Why would I spend time with a virtual one and ask about his fake, meaningless homework?

I doubt anyone actually cares about Milo. The point is to be amazed at the incredible AI. By your logic we should all forget about creating realistic robots and other AI and keep that stuff in sci-fi movies.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No, that's not what he's saying at all. He's just saying he sees little point in pretending with something like that. Not everyone can marvel at an AI who chats about his homework and fishing

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt anyone actually cares about Milo. The point is to be amazed at the incredible AI. By your logic we should all forget about creating realistic robots and other AI and keep that stuff in sci-fi movies.

By that token, why not push the limits and see how the AI deals with unexpected questions like the pervy ones mentioned earlier? I appreciate the technology but feel absolutely no desire to actually interact with Milo on its own terms or anyone else's.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I doubt anyone actually cares about Milo. The point is to be amazed at the incredible AI. By your logic we should all forget about creating realistic robots and other AI and keep that stuff in sci-fi movies.

But it isn't incredible AI. It's basically an old school text adventure. Milo only actually reacts and speaks to you if you say the right things. Otherwise he will sort of recognize the tone of your voice and make weird faces at you.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I believe that everyone is reading to much on the Milo thing.
The thing is still in the making, it can be the best thing ever made, or the biggest pile of crap ever produced, but the point is, we don´t know until it is done.
All was saw was a glimpse of what it can be.
Now, i agree with everyone here that say they don´t have any interest in it, because i can´t care less about a virtual boy, but the possibilities are endless, and that´s the big thing about it.

On other news, in an interview, Bill Gates just said that Natal will go to the PC as well, which makes me wonder, why the hell did Microsoft created the XBox for?
Everything it has or does ends on the PC, so, there is really no point in buying a 360.
I hope people start to realise that sooner than later, because it will make Microsoft open their eyes.
So, the all, Natal, only on Xbox is a lie, it will be Natal, only on Xbox.....and PC....it´s starting to be ridiculous.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Who cares? If you don't want it on the PC, you can happily just buy your 360 version and be done.

Personally, the more platforms everything's on, the better it is for me.

 

[Perfect Cell]

^Agreed. Sometimes console-specific exclusives just infuriate me. I can understand if Sony or Microsoft produce a game on their own, then they should be the only ones to put it out for their system. But it's the little things that bother me. Like how, for the upcoming Batman: Arkham Asylum, you can play as the Joker ONLY on the PS3. Bush league. Bush league.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Who cares? If you don't want it on the PC, you can happily just buy your 360 version and be done.

Personally, the more platforms everything's on, the better it is for me.

The point is not wanting for it to be on the PC or not, the point is, a console makes or breaks because of exclusives, like it or not, and Microsoft clearly still hasn´t understand that.
Is not that thing where someone goes: I have a game you don´t; that´s just childish, the point is, when you buy something, you want for it to have a meaning.
You want Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Heavy Rain, Jak, Daxter, God of War...you need to buy a PS3.
When you want Halo, Fable, Gears, Natal....all you have to do is wait, because it will go to the PC eventually.
I like the 360, i really do, but the more i think about it, the more i see no point in having one.
When Sony say, only on PS3, it really is, it means something.
When Microsoft say, only on 360, more than not is only console exclusive, is like saying, don´t buy a 360, upgrade your PC, where it will be better, with better graphics and whatnot.
IMO, it comes to the point of being ridiculous, like Microsoft it´s his own worst enemy.

The way i see it, the moment Sony cuts the price on the PS3 (if ever), Microsoft is fu**ed, and i have to say, it serves them right.

When i saw that announcement by Gates, one of the comments was: Great, now i don´t have to buy an Xbox.

 

[Addendum]

Like people are not going to buy a 360 because some damn motion sensor gimmick tool item will be on the PC. The fact that PC gamers can monkey around in their chair instead of on the sofa is more important than the games. And being able to see your reflection in the bad guy's eyes with that $6,000 graphics card is such a big deal. Until the latest graphics card comes out and makes what you bought to be a useless pile of obsolete ****

 

[StrainedEyes]

What happens when you put your hands behind your back, can it still detect them?

I bet nintendo already has played with this kind of technology when they developed the Wii. I would imagine that this camera in-conjunction with a practical controller like the Wii remote would be the perfect solution. I would think that you will always need something to hold in your hands for most games.

Well, that is basically what Sony's new solution is. The real question is whether or not Sony will actually support it or just put it out there to die like the Eye toy.

 

[Havok83]

The point is not wanting for it to be on the PC or not, the point is, a console makes or breaks because of exclusives, like it or not, and Microsoft clearly still hasn´t understand that.
Is not that thing where someone goes: I have a game you don´t; that´s just childish, the point is, when you buy something, you want for it to have a meaning.
You want Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Heavy Rain, Jak, Daxter, God of War...you need to buy a PS3.
When you want Halo, Fable, Gears, Natal....all you have to do is wait, because it will go to the PC eventually.
I like the 360, i really do, but the more i think about it, the more i see no point in having one.
When Sony say, only on PS3, it really is, it means something.
When Microsoft say, only on 360, more than not is only console exclusive, is like saying, don´t buy a 360, upgrade your PC, where it will be better, with better graphics and whatnot.
IMO, it comes to the point of being ridiculous, like Microsoft it´s his own worst enemy.

The way i see it, the moment Sony cuts the price on the PS3 (if ever), Microsoft is fu**ed, and i have to say, it serves them right.

When i saw that announcement by Gates, one of the comments was: Great, now i don´t have to buy an Xbox.

Its one of ther reasons I dont miss not having an 360 bc alot of the stuff does end up on the PC eventually anyway. I dont see myself ever getting Natal though if it came to it

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The point is not wanting for it to be on the PC or not, the point is, a console makes or breaks because of exclusives, like it or not, and Microsoft clearly still hasn´t understand that.
Is not that thing where someone goes: I have a game you don´t; that´s just childish, the point is, when you buy something, you want for it to have a meaning.
You want Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, Heavy Rain, Jak, Daxter, God of War...you need to buy a PS3.
When you want Halo, Fable, Gears, Natal....all you have to do is wait, because it will go to the PC eventually.
I like the 360, i really do, but the more i think about it, the more i see no point in having one.
When Sony say, only on PS3, it really is, it means something.
When Microsoft say, only on 360, more than not is only console exclusive, is like saying, don´t buy a 360, upgrade your PC, where it will be better, with better graphics and whatnot.
IMO, it comes to the point of being ridiculous, like Microsoft it´s his own worst enemy.

The way i see it, the moment Sony cuts the price on the PS3 (if ever), Microsoft is fu**ed, and i have to say, it serves them right.

When i saw that announcement by Gates, one of the comments was: Great, now i don´t have to buy an Xbox.

No offense, but that's a pretty silly view. The vast majority of people, given the choice, will buy the 360 version of a game or something like Natal over the PC version. The PC is perceived as a terrible gaming machine at this point because it requires some thought. You have to look at tech specs or choose parts to buy for it to get it up to the level of a 360 or PS3, which can also get expensive. The 360 is streamlined and simpler, so it gets more money from people who don't want to invest the time and effort in making their PC gaming-ready. Microsoft may have lost a tiny sliver of its 360 base by making Natal available for PC, but I doubt it'll have any real impact. The gaming companies know this because they've been declaring stuff "exclusive" even if it comes out for PC for years now. For all intents and purposes, as far as the gaming market goes, Natal still is 360-exclusive.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I'm going to wait and see what else they do with this. Milo doesn't impress, the demo was just one huge smokescreen of a program. I doubt it'll do ultimately quite what was promised, since you know, not even science fiction have come up with ideas like this. (Other than the bajillion stories that have.)

I do on the other hand want to know what else MS may have in store for the Natal program...as far as other games are concerned. Chances are I'll probably skip it like every camera ever made for any system ever.

 

[Havok83]

No offense, but that's a pretty silly view. The vast majority of people, given the choice, will buy the 360 version of a game or something like Natal over the PC version. The PC is perceived as a terrible gaming machine at this point because it requires some thought. You have to look at tech specs or choose parts to buy for it to get it up to the level of a 360 or PS3, which can also get expensive. The 360 is streamlined and simpler, so it gets more money from people who don't want to invest the time and effort in making their PC gaming-ready. Microsoft may have lost a tiny sliver of its 360 base by making Natal available for PC, but I doubt it'll have any real impact. The gaming companies know this because they've been declaring stuff "exclusive" even if it comes out for PC for years now. For all intents and purposes, as far as the gaming market goes, Natal still is 360-exclusive.

I think he's referring more to people who have a gaming PC but do not own a 360. 360 exclusive console games going to the PC is one incentive that keeps those gamers from not getting a 360. As you pointed out, that argument doesnt stand up for those that do own a 360

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I still don't think there's a particularly huge number of people who have gaming PCs and would've bought a 360 just for Natal. The people who have gaming PCs and refuse to buy a console tend to just keep on refusing to buy a console for whatever reasons they have. A glorified gimmick like Natal wouldn't really have changed too many of their minds even if it were 360-exclusive.

 

[Havok83]

I still don't think there's a particularly huge number of people who have gaming PCs and would've bought a 360 just for Natal. The people who have gaming PCs and refuse to buy a console tend to just keep on refusing to buy a console for whatever reasons they have. A glorified gimmick like Natal wouldn't really have changed too many of their minds even if it were 360-exclusive.

No there isnt a huge number bc the gaming market for PCs has diminished over the years. Not all people with gaming PCs refused to buy a console. Speaking for myself, I own a PS3 and a PC. I use both for games and have purchased some 360 excusives that were on the PC so not owning that system hasnt been much of a loss for me. I definetly dont see Natal ever ending up in my home though not that I will have the option of having it on a platform I use. I dont think MS really cares either as I dont think they view the PC and the 360 as competing platforms. They've been trying for years to push Games for Windows and Games for Windows Live. Having their products under that line only strengthens their goals even if it does take away from a small percentage of the 360 share

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I own a PC, a 360, and a PS3 as well. I personally don't plan to get Natal on any system.

But that's what I was saying: outside of a few hold-outs, the gaming industry doesn't really even take the PC seriously anymore, so who cares if Natal is available for it?

 

[Havok83]

I own a PC, a 360, and a PS3 as well. I personally don't plan to get Natal on any system.

But that's what I was saying: outside of a few hold-outs, the gaming industry doesn't really even take the PC seriously anymore, so who cares if Natal is available for it?

I dont. Natal is out to get at the Wii crowd, those who are into casual games. I think its actually a wise decision to make it available for the PC, since many casual gamers are on the PC. It doesnt look like Natal will require much from the hardware so I can see it being functional on most PCs out there for the smaller original casual games in mind for it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Microsoft reaps the profits either way, since Natal is their product and they dominate the PC market.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The point is not Natal on the PC, the point is that Natal is one more thing going to the PC, and the point is, the more things there are on the PC, the more people might jump unto the PS3 or the Wii, because there is little point in getting a 360.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And my point is that you're exaggerating because it's not going to make that much of a difference. Exclusive games are one thing; I can see that having an effect on someone deciding whether to buy a 360 or not because you're effectively buying a console's game catalog. A gimmick to unseat Nintendo's motion control technology, on the other hand, isn't going to convince more than maybe a few people to pass on the 360 because they can get it on the PC.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Maybe i am exaggerating

On other news, Sony just said they are going to copy Microsoft, which i was positive it would happen.
What started by being a more precise "Wiimote", the Sony motion control is starting to be closer to Natal than the Wii.
Sony just announced that their new technology will face recognition (facial recognition software would "detect gender and even the age of the face, separate facial features such as the nose, eyes and ears, and even detect whether you’re smiling or not.), gesture recognition and, skeleton tracking.
Who else is going to bet that objects scanning will be a reality too?

I see a lawsuit coming out, or an all out war between Microsoft and Sony.

 

[Havok83]

Maybe i am exaggerating

On other news, Sony just said they are going to copy Microsoft, which i was positive it would happen.
What started by being a more precise "Wiimote", the Sony motion control is starting to be closer to Natal than the Wii.
Sony just announced that their new technology will face recognition (facial recognition software would "detect gender and even the age of the face, separate facial features such as the nose, eyes and ears, and even detect whether you’re smiling or not.), gesture recognition and, skeleton tracking.
Who else is going to bet that objects scanning will be a reality too?

I see a lawsuit coming out, or an all out war between Microsoft and Sony.

oh please. MS isnt going to be suing Sony for anything, especially since Natal is in many ways an advanced PS Eye (which suceeded their EyeToy), technology that Sony already has on the market and has been working on for years. You know, their motion capture based cameras with the microphone which was first demoed back in 1999. Really who's "copying" who?