Kingdom of Heaven and The Two Towers

[Mr.E.Nygma]

For those who sen both movies, do you think that the final battle scene in KOH and the Helm's Deep battle are VERY look a like as I do????

 

[The Dark Defender]

They look alike because all KOH did was regurgitate an inferior version of the material already seen in every ancient epic from the past decade or so, including LOTR.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Not really.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Really, although I did find the Battle of Jerusalem to be more a Pellenor Fields rehash (and a very bad, boring one at that) than Helms Deep.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I think Helm's Deep was more suspensful, midn you it takes place over one night and the Siege of Jerusalem lasted ten days, I'd say it is not a rip off....

because....this may be hard to understand....but the siege of Jerusalem in 1187 ACTUALLY ****ING HAPPENED. There were siege towers (which were not at Hlem's Deep btw), catapults (also not at Helm's Deep), and last time I checked historically Saladdin won and took the city. Balian historically (who was actually a married middle aged lord of the Kingdom and no French blacksmith/engineer who had an affair with Sybilla) surrendered the kingdom in return of sparing the lives inside.

So the fact that you call it a rip off is quite sad and shows little knowledge on which it was based.

 

[Mr.E.Nygma]

So the fact that you call it a rip off is quite sad and shows little knowledge on which it was based.

What I meant with ripp off is visually on screen what the battle scene is. Only the action not the conflict, story. Just moviewise, not in history and fiction comparison. I'm not a total dork.

 

[Obsidian]

For those who sen both movies, do you think that the final battle scene in KOH and the Helm's Deep battle are VERY look a like as I do????

They do, but "Kingdom of Heaven" was being true to the time period. "The Two Towers" is a different story since it's based on a fantasy book. The battle in "The Two Towers" was more of a battle between good and evil. The Battle of Jerusalem was not.

 

[U.S War Machine]

There both wingos

 

[DACrowe]

Well if I was going to make a comparison I would make it for ROTK but since this movie was in the planning stages since mid-2003 I think it is consequential. Overall I think and find that KOH did its own thing as Scott didn't give a damn. It is much more realistic and less driven by awe inspiring moments of battle as ROTK is than by an anti-war sentiment of the waste of all this and futility. The end shot of fighting is supposed to resemble maggots jumping on a dead body and it does.

However to see this sequence and the whole movie done justice see the director's cut. The theatrical cut is mediocre, but the director's cut is a great film. Amazing how cutting 45 minutes of character development ruins your film in the end then.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

No, I don't think it was a rip-off