Label me your Jesus and I will set you free

He wears the mark of the beast...Why would Jesus wear the mark of the beast?
 
Isn't the Antichrist supossed to wear the mark of the beast?
o_O
 
No, not exactly.

I've asked the exact same things about Jesus.
Why would Jesus come and contradict the things he said in the Old Testament.

Why would he say "an eye for an eye" and later say "turn the other cheek"?

Why would he say to put homosexuals and witches to death, and later tell us to forgive them 70 X 7 times for their crimes?

Why would he say that it's all right to own slaves, and then say it's not all right?

Contradictions like this are easily explained away by a believer.
It's part of some "higher plan" that we are too simple to understand right now or something.

Most of these wackos who make claims like this try to represent themselves as a unification of the Yin and the Yang, in human form.

David Koresh, Charles Manson....they claim to be both the Devil and Jesus, kind of like in Star Wars how the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force is the villain.


But it's a fact, most of the Christians today, who are mostly only Christians because that's how they were raised.....if they'd been alive in the days of Jesus, they would've also written Jesus off as a dangerous, blasphemous, non-sensical cult leader.

It's just frightening to me to see people saying "Now MY dangerous, revolutionary, blasphemous cult leader is the REAL DEAL, but THIS one is a crackpot."

The Jews wanted Jesus dead.
No one's calling for the death of this guy.
 
On the subject of miracles, plenty of people say "Jesus was the real deal. He preformed miracles."

Ok... so... we have proof? Sure, its in the book. Thats actually, all the proof we have. So, these people claim that their messiah is performing miracles. Well, they have as much proof as we do that Jesus performed them.
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
No, not exactly.

I've asked the exact same things about Jesus.
Why would Jesus come and contradict the things he said in the Old Testament.

Why would he say "an eye for an eye" and later say "turn the other cheek"?

Why would he say to put homosexuals and witches to death, and later tell us to forgive them 70 X 7 times for their crimes?

Why would he say that it's all right to own slaves, and then say it's not all right?

Contradictions like this are easily explained away by a believer.
It's part of some "higher plan" that we are too simple to understand right now or something.

Most of these wackos who make claims like this try to represent themselves as a unification of the Yin and the Yang, in human form.

David Koresh, Charles Manson....they claim to be both the Devil and Jesus, kind of like in Star Wars how the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force is the villain.


But it's a fact, most of the Christians today, who are mostly only Christians because that's how they were raised.....if they'd been alive in the days of Jesus, they would've also written Jesus off as a dangerous, blasphemous, non-sensical cult leader.

It's just frightening to me to see people saying "Now MY dangerous, revolutionary, blasphemous cult leader is the REAL DEAL, but THIS one is a crackpot."

The Jews wanted Jesus dead.
No one's calling for the death of this guy.
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Well, Jesus didn't necessarily write The Bible, nor did God. He came up with the scriptures. Those scriptures were in possession of The Jews for 1200 years. I personally find it hard to believe that te scriptures remained unaltered for that long a period time. Therefore, I believe that all the stuff in The Old Testament that is contradictory, such as the stuff against homosexuality, was added by man. Man inserted their own personal prejudices into The Bible and passed it off as God's word.

I could be wrong, but I don't know. It's just a theory of mine, and one I choose to believe.
 
Kyalesyin said:
On the subject of miracles, plenty of people say "Jesus was the real deal. He preformed miracles."

Ok... so... we have proof? Sure, its in the book. Thats actually, all the proof we have. So, these people claim that their messiah is performing miracles. Well, they have as much proof as we do that Jesus performed them.
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That's what faith is. We don't know if Jesus existed, we don't know if he performed miracles.

We do know that, as of now, in a day and age where proof is becoming the norm, we do know that, as of now, this guy has not performed any miracles whatsoever.
 
ANTHONYNASTI said:
Well, Jesus didn't necessarily write The Bible, nor did God. He came up with the scriptures. Those scriptures were in possession of The Jews for 1200 years. I personally find it hard to believe that te scriptures remained unaltered for that long a period time. Therefore, I believe that all the stuff in The Old Testament that is contradictory, such as the stuff against homosexuality, was added by man. Man inserted their own personal prejudices into The Bible and passed it off as God's word.

I could be wrong, but I don't know. It's just a theory of mine, and one I choose to believe.
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It's a good theory.
I'm pretty sure that during the translation to the Vulgate, that the translations suffered from misinterpretations.
It also depends on which monk Guttenburg took the translation from.
 
This news story is another great example of how ridiculous it is when C.Lee says "We need to respect everyone else's beliefs."

No. What he means is, "We need to respect the beliefs of the Big 3...Islam, Judaism and Christianity", 'cause, do all the posters here respect the beliefs of this guy and his followers.
You're full of respect for them?

Of course not.
Just like with Scientology...unpopular belief, so by all means, mock and judge to your heart's content.
:o
 
SpeedballLives said:
It's a good theory.
I'm pretty sure that during the translation to the Vulgate, that the translations suffered from misinterpretations.
It also depends on which monk Guttenburg took the translation from.
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Thanks, and I agree.
 
people are sooo stupid and trusting
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
This news story is another great example of how ridiculous it is when C.Lee says "We need to respect everyone else's beliefs."

No. What he means is, "We need to respect the beliefs of the Big 3...Islam, Judaism and Christianity", 'cause, do all the posters here respect the beliefs of this guy and his followers.
You're full of respect for them?

Of course not.
Just like with Scientology...unpopular belief, so by all means, mock and judge to your heart's content.
:o
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I respect all beliefs that differ with mine. I have friends who are Jewish, I know a few Budhists, my cousins are Muslim, my cousin who I'm extremely close to is an atheist and I'm even very good friends with a few atheists as well as agnostics and deists. I respect all beliefs.

And really, Scientology didn't become rediculed until Tom Cruise became its unspoken prophet. I never heard anyone insult it until then.
 
ANTHONYNASTI said:
Well, Jesus didn't necessarily write The Bible, nor did God. He came up with the scriptures. Those scriptures were in possession of The Jews for 1200 years. I personally find it hard to believe that te scriptures remained unaltered for that long a period time. Therefore, I believe that all the stuff in The Old Testament that is contradictory, such as the stuff against homosexuality, was added by man. Man inserted their own personal prejudices into The Bible and passed it off as God's word.

I could be wrong, but I don't know. It's just a theory of mine, and one I choose to believe.
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well the dead sea scrolls are from something like 200 B.C. and they are word for word the exact same old testament that we have. although i think they are missing the book of Ruth
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
No, not exactly.

I've asked the exact same things about Jesus.
Why would Jesus come and contradict the things he said in the Old Testament.

Why would he say "an eye for an eye" and later say "turn the other cheek"?

Why would he say to put homosexuals and witches to death, and later tell us to forgive them 70 X 7 times for their crimes?

Why would he say that it's all right to own slaves, and then say it's not all right?

Contradictions like this are easily explained away by a believer.
It's part of some "higher plan" that we are too simple to understand right now or something.

Most of these wackos who make claims like this try to represent themselves as a unification of the Yin and the Yang, in human form.

David Koresh, Charles Manson....they claim to be both the Devil and Jesus, kind of like in Star Wars how the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force is the villain.


But it's a fact, most of the Christians today, who are mostly only Christians because that's how they were raised.....if they'd been alive in the days of Jesus, they would've also written Jesus off as a dangerous, blasphemous, non-sensical cult leader.

It's just frightening to me to see people saying "Now MY dangerous, revolutionary, blasphemous cult leader is the REAL DEAL, but THIS one is a crackpot."

The Jews wanted Jesus dead.
No one's calling for the death of this guy.
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i used to not understand how Jesus contradicted the laws given by Moses until i had it explained to me. the Jews were the Children of Israel, or the Children of God, they are children, they are given stricter laws that are much easier to follow. kinda like how when you were a kid you werent allowed to eat say lucky charms all the time for breakfast cuz they werent good for you, eventually you realize that there was nothing wrong with eating them, it was just your parents raising you well. same kinda thing with the Jews. its much easier to hate your enemy then to love them, but then the Messiah came and changed all that, he said its time to grow up.
 
ANTHONYNASTI said:
And really, Scientology didn't become rediculed until Tom Cruise became its unspoken prophet. I never heard anyone insult it until then.
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Heh, no. It became more of a laughing stock thanks to T. Cru, but it's always been a laughing stock.

  • Just like people who believe in reincarnation,
  • people who believe that we never went to the moon,
  • people who believe that Bush's administration was responsible for 9/11,
  • Mormon fundamentalists who believe that God has commanded us to practice polygamy,
  • people who believe minors can be consenting sex partners,
  • people who believe that certain races are inferior to others,
  • people who believe that there is no God/Creator,
  • people who believe that there IS a God/Creator,
  • people who believe the Earth is flat.
  • people who believe that there are really real life faeries
  • people who believe in the power of Satanic Black Magick
  • people who believe in Socialism
  • people who believe that the world is secretly ruled by a handful of international bankers
  • people who believe you can get HIV from sitting on a toilet seat
  • people who believe that women are inferior and shouldn't be in the work place, but instead should cater to the needs of men and submit in every way to his orders
  • people who worship trees
  • people who think there are 4th Dimensional Reptilians masquerading as humans to feed off of our negative emotions, have sadistic sex with us and eat our babies
  • people who believe that the government has an army of mind controlled sex slaves
  • people who believe that the Earth is hollow and that there's an advanced civilization living there
  • people who believe that we are all God
  • people who believe that THEY are God
 
Wilhelm-Scream said:
Heh, no. It became more of a laughing stock thanks to T. Cru, but it's always been a laughing stock.
  • people who believe the Earth is flat.
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The Earth isn't flat.
How do you explain travel time?
 
SpeedballLives said:
The Earth isn't flat.
How do you explain travel time?
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:dry:

How do you manage to type?

I don't believe the Earth is flat.
Neither do I believe that children can be consensual sex partners with adults or that Jesus wants us all to have 18 wives.

I'm talking about people that DO believe this garbage. And there actually is a nutjob group that has a newsletter and maintains that all of NASA's photos of Earth are a hoax and that the Earth is flat, yes, in this day and age.

P.S. I have no respect for their beliefs, and you'd have to be a PC f00l to have any.

:whatever:
 
wilhelms -screams posts are so confusing :o
 
Kyalesyin said:
On the subject of miracles, plenty of people say "Jesus was the real deal. He preformed miracles."

Ok... so... we have proof? Sure, its in the book. Thats actually, all the proof we have. So, these people claim that their messiah is performing miracles. Well, they have as much proof as we do that Jesus performed them.
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See this came up in my college sunday school class this past week. The question was "How do we know important figures such as Jesus and Washington existed?" Our generation never has seen, touched, or talked (in person) to neither Jesus nor Washington...We have pictures of both...but How do we truly know that they exist...See America could have made up a bunch of stuff about our President and so forth, we all just believe that Pres. Washington exist...likewise Christians believe Jesus came to Earth, lived 33 years...and so forth. Our generation didnt get to see and talk to Him but previous generations have, so why in the world do we believe in Washington but can't have a little more faith to believe in the Creator...That is the question.
 
i'm surprised this hasn't been posted before; the guy's been in the media a lot the past few months.

supposedly, he's going to "prove" that he's the antichrist sometime this year.
 
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