Jesus Married

[Abaddon]

Yeah,Mary Magdalene(sp) was not a prostitute.

 

[E. Bison]

You know dumping a bunch of quotes and verses on me so as I am less likely to take apart is not very reasonable. It's been tried before but it's all a bunch of useless verses taken out of context. So I'm telling you now if you want to reason out then pick a few or ONE subject revolving around that cuz I don't have the time nor is it reasonable to go through all that.

 

[Man-Thing]

Was Jesus being blasphemous when he said

John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

because Exodus 3:14 says
Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
?

 

[E. Bison]

Was Jesus being blasphemous when he said

John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

because Exodus 3:14 says
Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
?

Very good pick. Okay, let's figure this one out then. Now if you read verse 57 before that one it is made clear that the question was not about identity, but it was about age. The jews asked him about how OLD he was not WHO he was. Now the verses you gave me above are from Bibles that didn't specify the translation to let you know what they were talking about and the part in Exodus 3:12 you gave me is actually an obsolete translation of that verse. This is how the verses were meant to be:

John 8:58 - Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Other translations say, I was, I existed, or "I existed before Abraham". This was to convey that Jesus was old enough to be around BEFORE Abraham was born. This was a question about age not idetity. That is also the problem with your next verse. The one in Exodus 3:12 WAS about identity not age. This is how this one goes:

Exodus 3:14 - At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”

Now this is a better translation about how God introduced himself to Moses. Some bibles say "I will become what I please" or "I choose to be what I choose to be" or "I choose to become what I choose to become". Now if you remember earlier what I said God's name meant it meant "He cause to become" or "I will become what I choose to become". The issue with Moses was identity whereas with Jesus was age. So no, none are contradiction it's just that they were not clarified properly. Jesus meant to say he was just really old and God established his name.

 

[Man-Thing]

Very good pick. Okay, let's figure this one out then. Now if you read verse 57 before that one it is made clear that the question was not about identity, but it was about age. The jews asked him about how OLD he was not WHO he was. Now the verses you gave me above are from Bibles that didn't specify the translation to let you know what they were talking about and the part in Exodus 3:12 you gave me is actually an obsolete translation of that verse. This is how the verses were meant to be:

John 8:58 - Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Other translations say, I was, I existed, or "I existed before Abraham". This was to convey that Jesus was old enough to be around BEFORE Abraham was born. This was a question about age not idetity. That is also the problem with your next verse. The one in Exodus 3:12 WAS about identity not age. This is how this one goes:

Exodus 3:14 - At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”

Now this is a better translation about how God introduced himself to Moses. Some bibles say "I will become what I please" or "I choose to be what I choose to be" or "I choose to become what I choose to become". Now if you remember earlier what I said God's name meant it meant "He cause to become" or "I will become what I choose to become". The issue with Moses was identity whereas with Jesus was age. So no, none are contradiction it's just that they were not clarified properly. Jesus meant to say he was just really old and God established his name.

Then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him simply for saying that he was old? That would be silly.

Greek and Hebrew Lexicons agree with the translation that I quoted in both John and Exodus.

 

[E. Bison]

Then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him simply for saying that he was old? That would be silly.

Greek and Hebrew Lexicons agree with the translation that I quoted in both John and Exodus.

Because he claimed he was around before Abraham which was preposterous. Jesus was claiming to be older than 3,000 years old. That was preposterous to the Jews. It is agreed that the translations you gave me are literal but not put into context into the verses you gave me. The variation I gave you is a modernized version of one.

 

[celldog]

Was Jesus being blasphemous when he said

John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

because Exodus 3:14 says
Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
?

\\

No. He is God in human flesh. That is what the Old Testament prophets foretold. Isaiah said that the Messiah would be called "immanuel" meaning "God with us". The sacrifice for sin had to be without sin....who else could fit that bill but God? That is the miracle of the incarnation. Made God is spirit, He had to become a human so that He could die for our sins and save us from eternal punishment.

Even the New Tesatament gospel of John (that you quoted from) was written so that people would know this fact.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Man-Thing]

Because he claimed he was around before Abraham which was preposterous. Jesus was claiming to be older than 3,000 years old. That was preposterous to the Jews. It is agreed that the translations you gave me are literal but not put into context into the verses you gave me. The variation I gave you is a modernized version of one.

The jews were going to stone him, because in their mind he commited blasphemy for associating himself with the name of God thus equating himself with God, not because he said he was 3,000 years old. If he had simply done as you stated then they would have undoubtedbly just reported what he said to the people to discredit him. I think it is unlikely they would attempt to stone him for it. BTW, stoning someone for blasphemy was the normal means for capital punishment of that day in Israel.

When Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am" he made the defenetive statement that he was infact the great I AM that delivered the message to Moses.

 

[Man-Thing]

\\

No. He is God in human flesh. That is what the Old Testament prophets foretold. Isaiah said that the Messiah would be called "immanuel" meaning "God with us". The sacrifice for sin had to be without sin....who else could fit that bill but God? That is the miracle of the incarnation. Made God is spirit, He had to become a human so that He could die for our sins and save us from eternal punishment.

Even the New Tesatament gospel of John (that you quoted from) was written so that people would know this fact.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I'm on the same side as you. I was just posing a question to Bison. I believe Jesus was/is God in the flesh.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

This was started based on the Da Vinci Code correct, well, I don't know how many other christians have similar activities going on, but the pastor at my church devoted last sunday and the next two following sundays talking about it, and how it is an attack on our faith christianity, that Mr. Brown is saying that all the beliefs we have are based on lies and that we have a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs.

I personally believe that its not as much about the marriage as it is the fact the man claims it to be fact rather than fiction that upsets alot of christians, I mean look at Dracula 2000, where they said, that Hell was to easy for Judas for what he did, that God punished him by making him the first vampire, but it admits to being fiction not fact so people that watched it did not come up in arms like they are with this book which claims to be fact.

I am probably misquoting this, but in 1st Timothy chaper one verse 3 it says in my (Study Bible which takes the old testament and more or less translates it into language the youth of today can understand, same meaning different wording, I don't have the king James so I will type what I have.)

"As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may comman certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer/Verse4 Nor devote themselves to Myths and endless Genealogies these promote Contreversies rather than Gods Work-which is by faith."

I know some will say that the Church community is promoting controversy over a simple piece of fiction, but I believe that the bible says that promoting Controversy to defend god is holy, but promoting controversy for the sake of controversy is a sin, so I am not sure how the Church viewing this book where a majority of the church community believes it ficition, but I think the reason the controversy on this particular issue has begun is,because over 40 million copies have been sold, and the Pastor said he had heard of cases where christians believed this book and renounced their faith, and it is troubling when we have faithful people who make the decision to not go to heaven based on one piece of fiction.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

This was started based on the Da Vinci Code correct, well, I don't know how many other christians have similar activities going on, but the pastor at my church devoted last sunday and the next two following sundays talking about it, and how it is an attack on our faith christianity, that Mr. Brown is saying that all the beliefs we have are based on lies and that we have a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs.

I personally believe that its not as much about the marriage as it is the fact the man claims it to be fact rather than fiction that upsets alot of christians, I mean look at Dracula 2000, where they said, that Hell was to easy for Judas for what he did, that God punished him by making him the first vampire, but it admits to being fiction not fact so people that watched it did not come up in arms like they are with this book which claims to be fact.

I am probably misquoting this, but in 1st Timothy chaper one verse 3 it says in my (Study Bible which takes the old testament and more or less translates it into language the youth of today can understand, same meaning different wording, I don't have the king James so I will type what I have.)

"As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may comman certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer/Verse4 Nor devote themselves to Myths and endless Genealogies these promote Contreversies rather than Gods Work-which is by faith."

I know some will say that the Church community is promoting controversy over a simple piece of fiction, but I believe that the bible says that promoting Controversy to defend god is holy, but promoting controversy for the sake of controversy is a sin, so I am not sure how the Church viewing this book where a majority of the church community believes it ficition, but I think the reason the controversy on this particular issue has begun is,because over 40 million copies have been sold, and the Pastor said he had heard of cases where christians believed this book and renounced their faith, and it is troubling when we have faithful people who make the decision to not go to heaven based on one piece of fiction.

I can quote the rest of the verses up through 11 that talk about warning against false teachers of the Law,but I thought those two verses summed it up.

 

[boywonder13]

This was started based on the Da Vinci Code correct, well, I don't know how many other christians have similar activities going on, but the pastor at my church devoted last sunday and the next two following sundays talking about it, and how it is an attack on our faith christianity, that Mr. Brown is saying that all the beliefs we have are based on lies and that we have a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs.

I personally believe that its not as much about the marriage as it is the fact the man claims it to be fact rather than fiction that upsets alot of christians, I mean look at Dracula 2000, where they said, that Hell was to easy for Judas for what he did, that God punished him by making him the first vampire, but it admits to being fiction not fact so people that watched it did not come up in arms like they are with this book which claims to be fact.

I am probably misquoting this, but in 1st Timothy chaper one verse 3 it says in my (Study Bible which takes the old testament and more or less translates it into language the youth of today can understand, same meaning different wording, I don't have the king James so I will type what I have.)

"As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may comman certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer/Verse4 Nor devote themselves to Myths and endless Genealogies these promote Contreversies rather than Gods Work-which is by faith."

I know some will say that the Church community is promoting controversy over a simple piece of fiction, but I believe that the bible says that promoting Controversy to defend god is holy, but promoting controversy for the sake of controversy is a sin, so I am not sure how the Church viewing this book where a majority of the church community believes it ficition, but I think the reason the controversy on this particular issue has begun is,because over 40 million copies have been sold, and the Pastor said he had heard of cases where christians believed this book and renounced their faith, and it is troubling when we have faithful people who make the decision to not go to heaven based on one piece of fiction.

Ya its the fact that the book makes people believe that it is true and cause doubt and unbelief. Do whatever u want to Judas...were talking about Jesus! The Son of the Most High and only God!

 

[cass]

One thing to keep in mind with Bison is that he made the claim that all Muslims hate America and want us to die.

 

[Batman333]

Rumors!

 

[S_H_F_4839]

Ya its the fact that the book makes people believe that it is true and cause doubt and unbelief. Do whatever u want to Judas...were talking about Jesus! The Son of the Most High and only God!

I know, thats why I will not buy the book, will not read it from the library and will not go see the movie.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I hear that "Breaking the Da'Vinci Code" and "The Da'Vinci Deception" explain enough of the book to where you can read the rebuttals without reading the Da'Vinci Code and still know what it said. I plan on getting these eventually.


And I have something to ask real quick... what's wrong with the boards the past two days? I've never been on a religious topic where I wasn't being piled on by non-christians and feeling overwhelmed. It's kinda nice to see all the christians together. (and I'll even say it's been nice of Bison to remain cordial the whole time as well,though of a differant faith. Very respectful)

 

[rodhulk]

It was clearly established in the book of John that Jesus is God: "......and the word was God." Most don't debate that the 'word' was Jesus. Some will say that he was 'a God' when in fact if that were to be the case, the Bible would have worded it properly to establish Jesus was only 'a God.'

However, and think about this, God (Jehovah or yahweh) said that he is really the only God, there is no other, therefore Jesus 'must' be God. True, there are many God's, but it was said that for us, there is only one God. If so, why would Jehovah/Yahweh use 'another God' if there is really only him, Jehovah/Yahweh?

I believe it was also Timothy who knelt before Jesus and said "MY Lord and my God." Jesus didn't correct him on this. And I think it was him or somebody else that worshiped Jesus. Jesus, again, didn't correct him on this.

So, it was established that Jesus is God, he was called Lord and God, and he was worshipped, all that can only apply to Jehovah/Yahweh.

The Old Covenant (old testament) also made it clear that God created everything yet it also establishes that there was a craftsman by his side who actually did the work (creation). Could this have been Jesus or the person of the holy spirit..... showing more than just the Father as God?

As for the Jews accusing Jesus of so many things, it was written in the Old Covenant that the Jews would, in fact, not accept Jesus at his first coming and that they would despise him. So, this was prophecy that had to happen and it did.

 

[rodhulk]

If Jesus is not God then?

Was Thomas wrong when he said to JESUS CHRIST...

"My Lord and my God!"- John 20:28 (God, Jehovah, Sovereign, Deity)

"if ye believe not that "I am ", ye shall die in your sins john 8:24

Jesus the only God-Man !

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross " Phil. 2:8

If He is not GOD, why did the Jews believe He blasphemed when He claimed to be the great I am? Mark 14:62-64; Exodus 3:14
If He is not MAN, why did Pilate say, "Behold, the man!" John 19:5

If He is not GOD, who is Emmanuel, "God with us"? Matthew 1:23
If he is not MAN, who was the tiny babe Mary hugged to her breast? Psalm 22:9

If He is not GOD, why did the Father say, "Thy throne, Oh God is forever and ever!" Heb. 1:8

If He is not MAN what did Paul mean "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus!" 1 Timothy 2:5


If He is not GOD, how does all the fullness of the Godhead dwell in Him? Col. 2:9
If He is not MAN, how does all the fullness of the Godhead dwell in Him bodily? Col. 2:9

If He is not GOD, why did Jesus say, "Before Abraham was, I am!" John 8:58
If He is not MAN, why would the Jews pick up stones to stone Him? John 8:59

If He is not GOD, why did John write, "Jesus Christ! This is the true God!" 1 John 5:20
If He is not MAN, why did Jesus say to this same John, "Behold, thy mother!" John 19:27

If He is not GOD, how was the church purchased with God's "own blood"? Acts 20:28
If He is not MAN, how is it that one of the soldiers pierced his side and "there came out blood and water!" John 19:34

If He is not GOD, to whom was Thomas speaking when he cried, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28

If He is not MAN, who said, "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing!" John 20:27

Jehovah-Jesus!
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted hin4 and given him a name which is above every name- " Phil. 2:9

If He is not JEHOVAH, who alone is named JEHOVAH? Psalms 83:18. If this excludes JESUS, why does He share the Father's name? John 17:1 1.

If He is not JEHOVAH, who is named "THE LORD" or "JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS"? Jeremiah 23:6 If this is not JESUS, who is this King who shall reign on the earth? Jeremiah 23:5

If He is not JEHOVAH, why is called Jehovah the "mighty God"? Isaiah 10:20-21 If this is not JESUS, why did Isaiah also say the Son is "The Mighty God!" Isaiah 9:6
If He is not JEHOVAH, who was Israel's Rock? Deut. 32:4 If this is not JESUS, why would Paul declare "that Rock was Christ!" 1 Corinthians 10:4

If He is not JEHOVAH, who did Isaiah see high and lifted up in his vision? Isaiah 6:1-13 If this is not JESUS, why did John declare that Isaiah saw the glory of Jesus? John 12:41

If He is not JEHOVAH, why did Isaiah write that God, the King of Israel is Jehovah? Isaiah 44:6a

If this excludes JESUS, why did Isaiah add that His redeemer is Jehovah of hosts? Isaiah 44:6 b

If He is not JEHOVAH, whose feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives bursting that mountain from east to west m dramatic evidence of His power and authority? Zech. 14:3-5; Mat. 24:273 1; Rev. 19:11-21

If this is not Jesus, who physically rose from the Mount of Olives and will visibly return there in like manner? Acts 1:9-12

If He is not JEHOVAH, why did Ezekiel prophesy that Jehovah would enter the Eastern Gate of Jerusalem and that Gate would remain shut? Ezekiel 44:1-2

If this is not JESUS, who entered the Eastern Gate on Palm Sunday so it is remains blocked shut as a testimony of God's power and truth?

If He is not JEHOVAH, who forgives sin and will by no means clear the guilty"? Exodus 34:7 If this is not JESUS, who said to the, poor sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins are forgiven thee!" Mark 2:5

If He is not JEHOVAH, who said, 'That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear!" Isaiah 45:22-23

If this is not JESUS, how is it that His name is above every name? Why would every knee bow to Jesus? Why would every tongue confess the Jesus is Lord (Jehovah)? Why would this glorify the Father if Jesus is not worthy? Phil 2:9-11

If He is not JEHOVAH, who else is the "true and faithful witness"? Jeremiah 42:5 If this is not JESUS, who is walking in the midst of the churches "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning (beginner - Greek) of the creation of God"? Revelation 2:1; 3:14

If He is not JEHOVAH, who created everything by Himself (His hands - no angels, work crews or added master worker just the Godhead Rom.1:20, Isa.44:24:45:8-12 Malachi 2:10 If this excludes JESUS, why would Scripture declare that He made all things? John 1:3 ,14:2; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2,10. The Holy Spirit is also of the Godhead - Job 26:13

If He is not JEHOVAH, of whom did David write, The LORD (Jehovah) is my shepherd." Psalms 23:1

If this is not JESUS, who is the "good ( Shepherd, " the "one shepherd, " and "that great shepherd"? John 10:11, 16; Hebrews 13:20

If He is not JEHOVAH, who "maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still' Psalm 107:28-29

If this is not JESUS, who "arose, and rebuke the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm"? Matthew 8:26

THE Sovereign-Savior!

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth." Phil. 2:10

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who is the only God and Savior? Isaiah 43:1 1; Titus 1:3b,4b

If He is not our God and SAVIOR, why are we "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ"? Titus 2:13

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, continuing back on that great white horse! Rev. 19:11,16 If He is not our SA savior, who was riding that little donkey down the streets Of Jerusalem.? Matthew 21:1-5

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, 'Who is this King of glory?" Psalms 24: 10

If He is not our SAVIOR, how could Paul say crucified the Lord of glory!" 1 Cor. 2:8

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, Who is the first and the Last, beside Him, there Isaiah 44:6

If He is not our SAVIOR, who is the Almighty, the first and the last, declaring, "I am he that liveth, and was dead, and, behold, I am alive for evermore!" Revelation 1:8,11,17,18

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who burned Sodom and asked, "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"Genesis 18:25b

If He is not our SAVIOR, who is the Son of man who is the Judge of all? John 5:22,27

If He is not SOVEREIGN, who else is worthy to sit on the "throne of God? Revelation 22,1,3 If He is not our SAVIOR. why is the throne' shared with "the Lamb"? Revelation 22:1,3

If He is not SOVEREIGN, who will not give His glory to another? Isaiah 42:8

If He is not our SAVIOR, who else is coming in the Father's glory? Mk. 8:38; Jn. 17:5; Rev. 5:13

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who cast the devils out of a hopeless man telling him to share how God set him free? Mark. 5:19; Luke. 8:39

If He is not our SAVIOR, why did the man APPLY everything to Jesus? Mark 5:20; Luke 8:39

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who is the Prince of Peace? Isaiah 9:6

If He is not our SAVIOR, who said, "Peace be unto you." John 20:19

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who did Michael the Archangel call on to rebuke the devil? Jude 9 If He is not our SA SAVIOR, how did Jesus rebuke and destroy him that had the power of death, the devil! Matthew 4:10; Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8

If He is not our SOVEREIGN, who told Satan, Thou shalt worship the Lord, thy God, and him only shalt thou serve!" Matthew 4:10 If He is not our SAVI0R, why did the disciples hold Jesus by the feet and Worship Him? Matthew 28:9,10,17

If He. is not our SOVEREIGN, why did the Lord God promise to seek His sheep? Ezek. 34:11-16

If he is not our SAVIOR, who is the Son of man e "to seek and to save that which was who came lost"? Luke 19:10

Deity~Humanity

-And that every tongue should that Jesus Christ is Lord," Phil 2:11to the glory of the Father.

If he has no DEITY, Whose eyes are like a flame of fire? Revelation 1: 14

If He has no HUMANITY, whose eyes were looking as He lamented over the city of Jerusalem and who was weeping at the grave of Lazarus? 23:3 7; John 11: 35

If He has no DEITY, who is He whose hair was white like wool, as white as snow? Rev. 1:14 If He has no HUMANITY, whose hair was matted and dripping with His blood under a crown of thorns? Mat 27:29

If He has no DEITY, why did Isaiah prophesy "a Son is given"? Isaiah 9:6b If He has no HUMANITY, why did He write, "For unto us a child is born! " Isaiah 9:6a

If He has no DEITY, when was Jehovah sold for 30 pieces of silver? Zech.11: 11-13

If He has no HUMANITY, who did Judas sell for 30 pieces of silver? Mat. 26:14-16

If He has no DEITY, how is Jehovah the One who is pierced? Zechariah 12: 10

If He has no HUMANITY who was pierced and crying out from an old rugged cross, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!" Luke 23:34; Jn. 19:3 7,. Rev. 1: 7

If He has no DEITY, who stepped out on the front porch of Glory, looked at nothing and made everything? John 1:3

If He has no HUMANITY, whose body lay behind the stone that He made? John 20:1

If He has no DEITY, who said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will lift it up!" Jn. 2:19

If He has no HUMANITY, why did John say, He was speaking of His body? John 2:21

If He has no DEITY, why is he mentioned along with the Father, and Holy Spirit Mat.28:18-19;

If He has no HUMANITY, why did He have brothers and sisters, different persons of one human family? Psalm 69:8; Mat. 13:54-56

Probably the best post in this thread.

 

[rodhulk]

The jews were going to stone him, because in their mind he commited blasphemy for associating himself with the name of God thus equating himself with God, not because he said he was 3,000 years old. If he had simply done as you stated then they would have undoubtedbly just reported what he said to the people to discredit him. I think it is unlikely they would attempt to stone him for it. BTW, stoning someone for blasphemy was the normal means for capital punishment of that day in Israel.

When Jesus said "Before Abraham was I am" he made the defenetive statement that he was infact the great I AM that delivered the message to Moses.

Not only that but it was said that nobody has ever seen God (his face) yet it was said that the Lord Almighty (and there can only be one almighty) showed up with 2 angels and talked with Abraham (I believe it was Abraham). Jesus, the son, is the person of the Godhead who can be seen, it so seems, and the person of the Father cannot be seen. So, it was, in all probabililty, that the Lord Almighty who appeared to Abraham was Jesus.

 

[Son Of Logan]

Was Jesus being blasphemous when he said

John 8:58, "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

because Exodus 3:14 says
Exodus 3:14, "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
?

It's an abstract, esoteric thought. He's not literally saying he is god, he is stating that God is within us all. Don't believe me? Try this:

Psalms 82:6-7 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

John 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

[Strange]

It's an abstract, esoteric thought. He's not literally saying he is god, he is stating that God is within us all. Don't believe me? Try this:

But he is God

Jesus is God in human form. He is part of the trinity.

 

[Son Of Logan]

I'm freakin' god.

 

[The Squirrel]

god. sure.

not God.

 

[Strange]

I'm freakin' god.

You must be dyslexic, I think you mean dog

 

[TheSumOfGod]

it's the whole purity thing i believe.

If he did indeed marry, it may have been to mary and she was a....


a.....

ya know...

I figure God would need a girl with experience.

His mother was a virgin, and his wife was a ****e. Oh the irony.