BvS Larry Fong is the cinematographer!

[mclay18]

I love grain. It's a reminder that you're watching a FILM.

Even Man of Steel had grain.

I know. TDKR and TFA were shot on film and both have a light but consistent layer of grain. Those look great.

But the amount of grain in that shot I mentioned... it really is distracting. All the other shots look just fine.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Guys, let's not judge grain off a YT quality video. Wait for the QT 1080p version, the grain will be much more finely defined, as it always is, YT compression makes grain sometimes look blocky.

That scene is also grainier because it was probably shot on the 5219 500T stock which is used in low light situations and the negative starving for light does something that digital cannot replicate. It looks beautiful anyway.

Fong's work here looks absolutely gorgeous, I think that's a great way for DC to distance themselves from Marvel, they're in another league visually, that + Zack has an incredible eye.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I go to http://www.hd-trailers.net/ for maximum quality video.

I think the decision to add fake grain to the CGI to make it look filmed was genius. It blends in so much better.

 

[BatLobster]

I love film grain too, but Snyder definitely cranks the contrast in post to get more of it sometimes. I noticed it in Man of Steel and I've been noticing it more in the BvS stuff.

It's all personal preference though.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Subtle grain

Snyder grain

 

[mclay18]

Guys, let's not judge grain off a YT quality video.

I saw the trailer several times in the theater, as well as online. The grain is distracting on the big screen.

 

[Herolee10]

Abrams's films (Star Trek and Star Wars) are what I would call the best take on how to do a big scale sci-fi film when shooting the movie on film.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

@mcclay: I'm talking about the latest trailer, I doubt you saw that one on the big screen already.

Anyway, some are definitely bothered by grain and love it when digital is smooth and clean.

Snyder's films are always very contrasty indeed and it does make the grain pop a little bit more, but it's the texture of film itself, especially when you shoot anamorphic (Man Of Steel, BvS), gorgeous, gorgeous stuff. But anyway, grain you really notice when watching up close on a computer screen or monitor, in the movie theater, unless you're sitting in the first rows, you will not notice it nearly as much.

@TheFlamingCoco: adding film grain to CG stuff to make it blend has been done for decades obviously, it'd be really jarring otherwise.

 

[Guts]

Zack Snyder movies that Larry Fong has shot.

 

[mclay18]

@mcclay: I'm talking about the latest trailer, I doubt you saw that one on the big screen already.

No, I have. I checked out the trailer in two different screens (our new theater opened last year), and the projectors are super crisp.

That scene with Diana telling Bruce "I don't think you've met a woman like me" the grain is distractingly prominent. It's much less prominent on a YT link, but it is clear as day on a large digital screen.

I know I'm complaining about the grain in that one scene, but honestly the remaining BvS footage looks great.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah, because he just only needed to film 2 superpowered beings falling from the sky at superspeed with wires on the sky and filming it...

*sigh*

Haven't you watched Dragon Ball Z animated saga? It's like that type of point of view on speed-fight you won't see clearly because it's impossible to look it at that speed and your eyes (wrongly) say it as videogame when is your mind that is saying it, cause you know that VFX is obviously CGI but at least from me that shot looked really well achieved and IMPROVED compared to some of the MOS aerial battle scenes for example... Or maybe you don't realize this is Superman and how difficult his powers with him not having a helmet, mask at his disposal to make the VFX a lot easier

Except this won't DBZ. I realize its difficult. But Snyder pulled it off in MoS. He managed to show us the full extent of Kryptonians powers. Quite frankly, the aerial battle in MoS looked better compared to this. That whole sequence with the debris falling from the sky was better rendered in MoS.

And again... is it really your eyes or your mind that says that because you know that Snyder (as well as other directors) do that in SOME not ALL scenes, mind you. the other thing is...does it matter? cause I really see no difference due to the shot looking decent to me that I don't give a **** if it's green screen or not. but hey, that's just me.

I'm not the only one who criticized these shots so I don't know why you singled me out. For me it does matter. It takes a little bit of the experience away from me.

One thing I must have missed from you for example is complaining about AoU's visuals (like the group shot on the snow the most fake shot I have seen in the MCU so far, Iron Man on that same background looking computer generated or the final Iron Man armor which VFX speaking looking like from a videogame and a downgrade from previous VFX on that superhero) which in some ocassions looked like cheap VFX or like in Civil War Iron Man on all the teaser trailers shots he looked robotic-slow and a little fake again especially in the fight with Cap and Bucky, but no, nothing there because it's Marvel right?

This is all irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[The Shield]

Zack Snyder movies that Larry Fong has shot.

Beautiful x4!

 

[John-An]

^^ I know people's tastes are different but ****, Fong's Cinematography is just sublime and makes me feel ecstatic

Subtle grain

Snyder grain

Except this won't DBZ. I realize its difficult. But Snyder pulled it off in MoS. He managed to show us the full extent of Kryptonians powers. Quite frankly, the aerial battle in MoS looked better compared to this. That whole sequence with the debris falling from the sky was better rendered in MoS.

No, it's not DBZ but those aerial shot gives that DBZ feel. that's my point. The powers, the speed, how you would see it from the ground or of a personal point of view. Wether some people may not be a fan, that's another story.


Better than the MOS ones? Well the irony... people (some) at that time complained the same thing and me as a fan of MOS VFX, and seeing the pros and cons I can say with 99% of condifence that the mentioned BvS shot (because yeah it's making you feel that it's from Bruce Wayne's point of view who is on the ground, it needed to look as blurry and far away as possible but you are able to notice both figures, Superman and Zod) looks better than the MOS ones. But hey, maybe that's just me.

I'm not the only one who criticized these shots so I don't know why you singled me out. For me it does matter. It takes a little bit of the experience away from me.

And yeah I know you weren't the only one who thinks that. I'm only responding to you with my own arguments and comparissons. So, no I'm not singling you out. But it seems a little odd to me that you a fan of the "that shot takes me out of the experience" never even claiming those Marvel shots from Marvel that had the same or worst issues
That's why I brought that up, sorry if you felt otherwise.

 

[Guts]

I honestly feel that this shot could be used on the cover of a fantasy novel.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm happy that most of what we've seen from DOJ looks nothing like that.

 

[matt47]

^ I agree. The film style seems to be "Whatever's the most epic."

And I'm 110 percent OKAY with that

I agree but I don't see how making them look like a simpsons character is epic.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I think it's the way the scene was lit.

Even Nolan was too fond of yellowish bulbs.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Reading this thread, I notice that not many people understand what cinematography really is, or good cinematography, or how it works. I get it, but some of this stuff is painful to read.

 

[matt47]

^ I think it's the way the scene was lit.

Even Nolan was too fond of yellowish bulbs.

But it wasn't as saturation/dark and grainy.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Snyder loves his grain, though.

 

[John-An]

Gal in uncompressed 1080p....


Courtesy of screenshot taken by fellow SHH member OutofBoose from the high-bitrate version of the final BvS trailer.

Posting this here...

BUT REMEMBER the final cut (theater) will be different. Even by small details, it will be.

 

[matt47]

Man...the grain in that shot it just distracts me.

 

[KillerWolf]

But it wasn't as saturation/dark and grainy.

This is not necessarily a shot from film. It could be an on-set photo. But yeah, I also think they went tad too far with the warm color and grading.

 

[matt47]

This is not necessarily a shot from film. It could be an on-set photo. But yeah, I also think they went tad too far with the warm color and grading.

Yeah but if that's what it looked like on set I'd prefer that.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah but if that's what it looked like on set I'd prefer that.

Same here.