BvS Lauren Cohan is Martha Wayne!

[luis4u]

Wait what?!! Martha becomes the Joker in Flashpoint?

 

[Rowsdower!]

Wow. That ****ed up.

 

[luis4u]

Wow. That ****ed up.

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Spoiler

Martha realizes Bruce will still become Batman, she flees in horror. She falls to her death in the caverns below Wayne Manor..

 

[Rodrigo90]

Leave that crazy bat **** out.

 

[luis4u]

Wow. That ****ed up.

since flashpoint movie was only 75 minutes heres a scene she goes mad..

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[ArmsHeldOut]

Agreed. I could see Thomas being much more active in the fight against crime, but as a philanthropist and citizen, not a Batman. But, it's an else-world story and it allowed for a crazy, alcoholic Batman so I think it's alright.

I don't think Wonder Woman would ever be a ruthless monarch either. Aquaman, possibly.

Wasn't it more than an Elseworlds tale? I believe the New 52 is somehow connected to Flashpoint. Batman even keeps a letter around that originated with the Thomas Wayne of said parallel universe.

 

[luis4u]

Leave that crazy bat **** out.

I just find Thomas, dick, and terry, more interesting than Bruce..

Spoiler

since he became the goddamn batman or batgod

 

[luis4u]

Wasn't it more than an Elseworlds tale? I believe the New 52 is somehow connected to Flashpoint. Batman even keeps a letter around that originated with the Thomas Wayne of said parallel universe.

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[Jekecy]

Barring the fact that it's an elseworlds, I find it fascinating that it's almost in the Wayne blood to react strongly in the face of immense tragedy. The extreme measures they take to alter their life path and affect the lives of others is an intriguing one.

It was a stretch to have both Batman and Joker as a Wayne, but I did love Martha being an elseworld Joker. I've always wanted to see a female take on that part, if only for a one-off.

 

[hafizbat]

Wasn't it more than an Elseworlds tale? I believe the New 52 is somehow connected to Flashpoint. Batman even keeps a letter around that originated with the Thomas Wayne of said parallel universe.

I actually have no idea. I don't really concern myself with the intricacies of comic continuities. It looks like an elseworld's tale, sounds like an elseworld's tale, so to me it is an elseworld's tale.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

^ Fair enough.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I get tired of the whole Thomas Wayne worship that Batman Begins had going on. His mother might as well not even existed, because she is NEVER mentioned once by name in that film by anyone I don't think.
Everybody mentions Thomas, but not Martha.

"I give a damn, because a great man (Thomas)"
"Your father would be ashamed of you"
"He said your father begged for mercy"
"Was this your father's?"
"It was your father's [fault]"
"Your father almost bankrupted Wayne Enterprises"
"You look him, your dad"
"You knew my father?"
"I'm using this monster to help people. ...just like my father would"
"You're like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary"
"I was wrong, you know? Your father would be proud of you"

He has flashbacks only concerning his dad! (And I find it funny how Bruce at the age of 8, didn't know where his dad worked or what Wayne Tower was)
Was Martha Wayne just some sort of irrelevant *****?

Like modern interpretations, I hope Thomas isn't as much of the lovey dovey he was in that film. He's loving to Bruce, but he's a lot more stern. He's more at the hospital than he is at home, but most importantly, he was there to save Bruce from the cave. He gave Bruce lessons on the importance of life, and how it's sacred and should be preserved. Martha should really be shown as the fighter against crime and other unfortunate things hitting Gotham. She's the charity head.

Not just their deaths, but their life lessons should be the guiding force for influencing Bruce's character.

No favouritism. But I believe Martha should receive slightly more credit this time around for the things she did for Gotham. She helped Gotham, Thomas preserved the lives that belonged to the innocent and guilty alike. Martha cared about helping the innocents and battling crime in a fair system.

Both of them should be major influences on Bruce, not just his dad.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

The theme of fatherhood is probably second only to the theme of fear in BB though

 

[TheDarKnight720]

I get tired of the whole Thomas Wayne worship that Batman Begins had going on. His mother might as well not even existed, because she is NEVER mentioned once by name in that film by anyone I don't think.
Everybody mentions Thomas, but not Martha.

"I give a damn, because a great man (Thomas)"
"Your father would be ashamed of you"
"He said your father begged for mercy"
"Was this your father's?"
"It was your father's [fault]"
"Your father almost bankrupted Wayne Enterprises"
"You look him, your dad"
"You knew my father?"
"I'm using this monster to help people. ...just like my father would"
"You're like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary"
"I was wrong, you know? Your father would be proud of you"

He has flashbacks only concerning his dad! (And I find it funny how Bruce at the age of 8, didn't know where his dad worked or what Wayne Tower was)
Was Martha Wayne just some sort of irrelevant *****?

Like modern interpretations, I hope Thomas isn't as much of the lovey dovey he was in that film. He's loving to Bruce, but he's a lot more stern. He's more at the hospital than he is at home, but most importantly, he was there to save Bruce from the cave. He gave Bruce lessons on the importance of life, and how it's sacred and should be preserved. Martha should really be shown as the fighter against crime and other unfortunate things hitting Gotham. She's the charity head.

Not just their deaths, but their life lessons should be the guiding force for influencing Bruce's character.

No favouritism. But I believe Martha should receive slightly more credit this time around for the things she did for Gotham. She helped Gotham, Thomas preserved the lives that belonged to the innocent and guilty alike. Martha cared about helping the innocents and battling crime in a fair system.

Both of them should be major influences on Bruce, not just his dad.

It's the same with MoS and how Jor-El was more important than Lara.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The theme of fatherhood is probably second only to the theme of fear in BB though

Yep. Alfred and Ra's fitted into those roles. Gordon and Lucius were used to that theme as well.

It's the same with MoS and how Jor-El was more important than Lara.

Martha's going to ge dumped on again
I can imagine Bruce and Clark talking about their fathers together. The mothers will get little to no mention, saying as how Martha is living and Lara, he never met.

 

[John-An]

One thing for sure... In this movie will get some Martha scenes...
And yeah I loved the relationship Martha-Clark from MOS.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seeing as how we've got set pics of some building within the Wayne empire being destroyed, is it possible that the portrait of Thomas Wayne is going to be in the rubble? Think about it. It's not unusual for there to be paintings and the like of previous owners or founders of companies to be in corporate headquarters or other important holdings. And lord knows Bruce would probably have pictures of his mother and father hanging in the appropriate places. I think that if you were to walk into any building that housed The Wayne Foundation or it's operations, the lobby would have a portrait of Bruce's parents.

Can I just add that I've always wanted more background on Martha Wayne. I know some recent stories in the books have expanded on her, though I've yet to read any of them. I was always of the the mind that she should also be some kind of savant in some way. Thomas Wayne was by any measure a brilliant man. A surgeon that was highly thought of. I think it would be in line with Bruce's own genius if Martha were a highly skilled concert pianist or ballet dancer. It's also fitting that Thomas would meet someone from that kind of rarified world and marry her to my mind.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Yep. Alfred and Ra's fitted into those roles. Gordon and Lucius were used to that theme as well.

Martha's going to ge dumped on again
I can imagine Bruce and Clark talking about their fathers together. The mothers will get little to no mention, saying as how Martha is living and Lara, he never met.

They need to show the mothers some love and MOS at least did that with Ma Kent.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They need to show the mothers some love and MOS at least did that with Ma Kent.

This is why I'm against using the New 52 origin of WW for the big screen. Having Zeus as her father is going to naturally lead to yet another super hero film with the main character having "daddy" issues. Wondy should have her issues with her mother, and it should be one not of a child living up to a parents expectations or the destiny they feel their child should have, but one of a child showing a parent that they must let go and trust that they have prepared the offspring to meet what ever destiny the universe has in store for them.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

This is why I'm against using the New 52 origin of WW for the big screen. Having Zeus as her father is going to naturally lead to yet another super hero film with the main character having "daddy" issues. Wondy should have her issues with her mother, and it should be one not of a child living up to a parents expectations or the destiny they feel their child should have, but one of a child showing a parent that they must let go and trust that they have prepared the offspring to meet what ever destiny the universe has in store for them.

nicely said.

 

[Rodrigo90]

This is why I'm against using the New 52 origin of WW for the big screen. Having Zeus as her father is going to naturally lead to yet another super hero film with the main character having "daddy" issues. Wondy should have her issues with her mother, and it should be one not of a child living up to a parents expectations or the destiny they feel their child should have, but one of a child showing a parent that they must let go and trust that they have prepared the offspring to meet what ever destiny the universe has in store for them.

I'm all for daddy issues. Every superhero seems to love the dad more than the mom.

 

[Rodrigo90]

They need to show the mothers some love and MOS at least did that with Ma Kent.

There's some hope for Martha W then

 

[Vonter-Voman]

This is why I'm against using the New 52 origin of WW for the big screen. Having Zeus as her father is going to naturally lead to yet another super hero film with the main character having "daddy" issues. Wondy should have her issues with her mother, and it should be one not of a child living up to a parents expectations or the destiny they feel their child should have, but one of a child showing a parent that they must let go and trust that they have prepared the offspring to meet what ever destiny the universe has in store for them.

On the New 52 book, Zeus being her father does not lead into daddy issues. Quite on the contrary. Diana hasn't problems with Zeus (who is also missing and so don't have much influence), about how he was absent in her life and all the daddy issues clichés.

In a first stance, it's "mommy issues". Diana feels betrayed by her mother and it is explored how believing she wasn't a "real Amazon" affected her.

Then it is explored how Diana turned to be a great person in contrast with First Born, the one who really have daddy issues. Zeus abandoned both of them, but Diana had her mother and her sisters, while First Born was left for nature to take care.

It has also been explored the theme of being more than your parents expectations (with Demeter philosophy), and Hippolyta "letting her go".

I understand how easy it can turn into daddy issues on the movies, though.

 

[John-An]

So... Lauren Cohan was Martha Wayne after all...

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[Saint]

So, a 34 year old Martha paired with a 50 year old Thomas. Hollywood casting is so classy. Not sexist at all.