The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Legitimate concerns about TASM 2 (NO BAITING AND BE RESPECTFUL)

[Morbius]

My concern is that i'm going to go broke from buying so many tickets to see this movie.

 

[Valkyrje]

1. Oscorp villain factory
2. Harry Goblin before Green Goblin
3. Harry killing Gwen (hope that she wont die)

 

[The Joker]

Here are my worries in no particular order.

Electro legit summons dubstep with his powers. It is offputting.
Rhino in a mech suit? Rightio
GG is Harry? And looks like a meth addict? And wants to kill spiderman and is peters best friend for some god forsaken reason? K
Norman Osborn seems to play a small role which kinda sucks.
If Gwen does die, it'll be at the hands of Harry Osborn which seems weird

Good ones, but what is the Electro dubstep thing you mentioned?

 

[Picard Sisko]

My concern is that i'm going to go broke from buying so many tickets to see this movie.

Same. That is an honest concern for me. lol

 

[SpideyK]

Electro legit summons dubstep with his powers.

 

[LizardMan07]

That being said, all my "concerns" will be gone if they actually make what I am concerned about feel believable, and if it adds to the overall movie.

Imagine the potential behind Gwens death scene, Andrew Garfield could absolutely KILL that scene, and due to her being a crowd favourite, I could really see it being a HUGE moment in CBM history, just like the original comic was big for comics. It wouldn't matter who killed her if it was done RIGHT.

Oh and Joker it happens in one of the trailers where electro lets loose with his powers, to the wonderful tune of dubstep. It is a sign of the times I suppose

 

[Lord]

Glad there's a thread for this, i've honestly been having a lot of worries about this film since the trailers and most information after have premiered. But have been trying to keep quiet, since i know those who have concerns are usually labeled as haters and marked as sort of "villains" for the respective thread.

It seems kind of overcrowded, possibly trying to introduce too many villains at the same time and bringing in too much plot, i'm not a big fan of the Rhino suit, i like the idea of making it a mecha like Ultimate Spider-Man did but not the overall design, but this isn't a real problem and i don't think it will hurt the film as long as it's used well, Electro as a fan and looks like the usual portrayal of a "loser" who then becomes a villain doesn't sound too good to me, but once again, it's all about the execution. About the Electro dubstep, it's part of Han Zimmer's score of the movie, people who don't like it may dislike its placement.

I don't like Harry Osborn as the Green Goblin, his design doesn't look very good to me, and i'm somebody who had no problem with the one in the 2002 film, him also being best buddies with Peter, then wanting to kill him for some reason and turning into the GG before his father makes me worry. And with all of this with Oscorp creating villains, why is Electro caught in a different accident then? Why not connect them all?

The plot though, is all about the execution, it may be very well done in the end. A big part of what turned me off has been the whole look of the film. Now, this part is difficult to explain, and i'm pretty sure many fans will say stuff like: "i don't think that at all", "how is it different from other movies?", "every movies has done that",etc. But i'll just go ahead and say my worries, the film looks kind of "plastic", full of exagerated Special Effects with parts of the trailer looking more like part of an animated movie or a video game. I'm also all for giving a lighter tone and a look similar to the 60s comics and Sam Raimi's movies, but at some point it starts to look very "fabricated", in my opinion of course.

The look is kind of difficult to explain, many will obviously have a completelly different opinion, and that's alright.

 

[The Joker]

Glad there's a thread for this, i've honestly been having a lot of worries about this film since the trailers and most information after have premiered. But have been trying to keep quiet, since i know those who have concerns are usually labeled as haters and marked as sort of "villains" for the respective thread.

It seems kind of overcrowded, possibly trying to introduce too many villains at the same time and bringing in too much plot, i'm not a big fan of the Rhino suit, i like the idea of making it a mecha like Ultimate Spider-Man did but not the overall design, but this isn't a real problem and i don't think it will hurt the film as long as it's used well, Electro as a fan and looks like the usual portrayal of a "loser" who then becomes a villain doesn't sound too good to me, but once again, it's all about the execution. About the Electro dubstep, it's part of Han Zimmer's score of the movie, people who don't like it may dislike its placement.

I don't like Harry Osborn as the Green Goblin, his design doesn't look very good to me, and i'm somebody who had no problem with the one in the 2002 film, him also being best buddies with Peter, then wanting to kill him for some reason and turning into the GG before his father makes me worry. And with all of this with Oscorp creating villains, why is Electro caught in a different accident then? Why not connect them all?

The plot though, is all about the execution, it may be very well done in the end. A big part of what turned me off has been the whole look of the film. Now, this part is difficult to explain, and i'm pretty sure many fans will say stuff like: "i don't think that at all", "how is it different from other movies?", "every movies has done that",etc. But i'll just go ahead and say my worries, the film looks kind of "plastic", full of exagerated Special Effects with parts of the trailer looking more like part of an animated movie or a video game. I'm also all for giving a lighter tone and a look similar to the 60s comics and Sam Raimi's movies, but at some point it starts to look very "fabricated", in my opinion of course.

The look is kind of difficult to explain, many will obviously have a completelly different opinion, and that's alright.

Great post. Couldn't agree more

 

[Harry Dresden]

So are they retconning Peter knowing Harry Osborn since there was no mention of it during TASM 1.

 

[The Joker]

That's not really a retcon. Just because he didn't mention Harry in the first movie doesn't mean he didn't know him.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's not really a retcon. Just because he didn't mention Harry in the first movie doesn't mean he didn't know him.

Yeah but I still find it pretty weird that despite working at Oscorp and seeing Norman Osborn that he never mentions Harry even in a offhand comment.

It comes off as kind of lazy plotting by the writers.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah but I still find it pretty weird that despite working at Oscorp and seeing Norman Osborn that he never mentions Harry even in a offhand comment.

It comes off as kind of lazy plotting by the writers.

Yeah maybe, but it's still not a retcon. It might stand out as a bit strange, but then he doesn't really talk about Norman Osborn himself either, so I guess not mentioning Harry in that context is not that strange.

A retcon would be him saying he didn't know the Osborns in the first movie.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Dillion sounds kinda weird, his story will be very hit or miss.
The promise better be explained.
I'm not in love with the Goblin's look. 6/10
Gwen's death better not be messed up.
Harry seems too evil. Norman mini-me practically.

 

[Khonshu]

People complaining about physics, they are at least a couple of occasions in TWS where Captain America falls from like 100 feet and is still unharmed

Me being a medical student can guarantee that even if somebody survives a fall like that, he will have at least a dozen major fractures on his body

But did I let that trouble me? No because the overall movie was fantastic and we have to look past such things

Here's the deal on this - we are asked to suspend disbelief a number of times during a typical action or comic book film, and this request is done after the rules of that film universe are established. With a comic book film, we accept the premise that a guy like Spider-Man can stick to walls, can swing around on a thin web line that has fantasy-level elasticity principles, etc.... because he's SPIDER-MAN. This is what he does. He's a superhero, and can accept an unrealistic amount of physical punishment and still keep fighting.

However, in order for SPIDER-MAN to be amazing, he has to live the context of a world that has regular, non-amazing rules. This is what sets him apart from normal citizens, right? If EVERYONE could stick to walls, then there would be nothing particularly special about Spidey.

Comic book fans are used to this when we see major crossovers - street-level heroes like Spidey are typically not going to be asked to fly into space and take on a power like Galactus (yeah, yeah... Power Cosmic... blah, blah, blah). When placed into the context of GALACTIC power, typically Spidey is decidedly less amazing. Spidey's level of "amazing" is completely contextual.

Fans of these films are okay with this, though. In fact, we LOVE it, and expect to see our heroes doing stunts and things that would be impossible in reality. We accept the world that the film gives us, and this is why we are okay with Cap falling 20 stories and hitting the ground - we accept the premise that his physics-defying shield absorbs impact, and that he is a superhero.

It is also why I slightly winced in Avengers when Black Widow jumps up to grab that space skiff - all of us watching thought "No way a human being could grab onto that thing and not have both arms dislocated." We wouldn't bat an eye if Cap had done the same thing, though. This is because we have bought into a world where normal people cannot do the superheroic, and where our real-world physics still apply to normal people.

We can go with that BW moment because the rest of the ride has been fun, and because she's still a "hero". Imagine our reaction if Cap had thrown some random police guy up there and he'd done that - we'd have an even stronger reaction because we'd be asked to stretch our faith in the physical stakes of this universe that we're watching. Had Whedon asked us to believe a moment like that, it might have been enough to ruin the film for some people because that single moment calls into question all of the other heroic moments we have seen prior to that point and afterward. If Joe Cop can be a superhero, then where is the danger? Where is the "super"?

The problem I've had with the Spider-Man reboot is that they seem to ignore this critical element of quality film making. If stuff like this is done too many times, or inconsistently, then it kills the stakes of the film or highlights sloppy direction and takes us out of the moment of that film.

The football goalpost in ASM is an example of this, and the flying cup of coffee in ASM2 is an example of this. The thing is, both of these moments are completely unnecessary to move the story forward and do more to kill the mood than contribute to it. Why even put them in there?

Look, nobody wants an awesome Spidey movie more than I do - he's my favorite superhero character and love the fact that we're even getting movies about the character. But it's the little things like this that add up to a lot of doubt.

I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Yeah but I still find it pretty weird that despite working at Oscorp and seeing Norman Osborn that he never mentions Harry even in a offhand comment.

It comes off as kind of lazy plotting by the writers.

Never worked at OSCORP
Nerver saw Norman Osborn

 

[Spiderdevil]

Here's the deal on this - we are asked to suspend disbelief a number of times during a typical action or comic book film, and this request is done after the rules of that film universe are established. With a comic book film, we accept the premise that a guy like Spider-Man can stick to walls, can swing around on a thin web line that has fantasy-level elasticity principles, etc.... because he's SPIDER-MAN. This is what he does. He's a superhero, and can accept an unrealistic amount of physical punishment and still keep fighting.

However, in order for SPIDER-MAN to be amazing, he has to live the context of a world that has regular, non-amazing rules. This is what sets him apart from normal citizens, right? If EVERYONE could stick to walls, then there would be nothing particularly special about Spidey.

Comic book fans are used to this when we see major crossovers - street-level heroes like Spidey are typically not going to be asked to fly into space and take on a power like Galactus (yeah, yeah... Power Cosmic... blah, blah, blah). When placed into the context of GALACTIC power, typically Spidey is decidedly less amazing. Spidey's level of "amazing" is completely contextual.

Fans of these films are okay with this, though. In fact, we LOVE it, and expect to see our heroes doing stunts and things that would be impossible in reality. We accept the world that the film gives us, and this is why we are okay with Cap falling 20 stories and hitting the ground - we accept the premise that his physics-defying shield absorbs impact, and that he is a superhero.

It is also why I slightly winced in Avengers when Black Widow jumps up to grab that space skiff - all of us watching thought "No way a human being could grab onto that thing and not have both arms dislocated." We wouldn't bat an eye if Cap had done the same thing, though. This is because we have bought into a world where normal people cannot do the superheroic, and where our real-world physics still apply to normal people.

We can go with that BW moment because the rest of the ride has been fun, and because she's still a "hero". Imagine our reaction if Cap had thrown some random police guy up there and he'd done that - we'd have an even stronger reaction because we'd be asked to stretch our faith in the physical stakes of this universe that we're watching. Had Whedon asked us to believe a moment like that, it might have been enough to ruin the film for some people because that single moment calls into question all of the other heroic moments we have seen prior to that point and afterward. If Joe Cop can be a superhero, then where is the danger? Where is the "super"?

The problem I've had with the Spider-Man reboot is that they seem to ignore this critical element of quality film making. If stuff like this is done too many times, or inconsistently, then it kills the stakes of the film or highlights sloppy direction and takes us out of the moment of that film.

The football goalpost in ASM is an example of this, and the flying cup of coffee in ASM2 is an example of this. The thing is, both of these moments are completely unnecessary to move the story forward and do more to kill the mood than contribute to it. Why even put them in there?

Look, nobody wants an awesome Spidey movie more than I do - he's my favorite superhero character and love the fact that we're even getting movies about the character. But it's the little things like this that add up to a lot of doubt.

I really hope I'm wrong.

I agree that the football goal post scene had no purpose but wasnt it cut from the final movie?

Anyway isnt Captain America still a human being,yeah he can run as fast as Usain Bolt,swim like Michael Pheleps and box like....Well you get.But his bones arent made of cement,he cant survive a fall like that

Spoiler

And there is another occasion where The Winter Soldier hurls the sheild at Cap,it hits his abdomen and he just slides back wards like he is ice skating,it was wierd

I would give more examples,all throughout Nolan's Bat trilogy the henchmen almost never use their guns on Batman and actually wait there turn to get their ass kicked and on many occasions fall on their own,I mean how hard is it to make a decent hand-to-hand fight?

In SM1 Peter's punch and kick knocks out a steroid pumped wrestler flat but in the next movie,Doc Ock a seemingly normal guy endures like a dozen of them

I could go on and on but my point is,we have WTF! moments like these in all comic book movies and I chose to ignore than if the overall movie is decent

And yeah I agree that the cup thingy was lazy and they could have choreographed it better,but so could Nolan(and that didnt stop TDK from being awesome)

 

[UltimateWebhead]

1) I do not like the Goblin design. It's very off putting. Maybe Dane will give a great performance and I might be able to get past it.

2) The humor. I'm not really worried about the Spidey quips. Maybe a little. I think they'll be ok but what I'm really worried about is the humor away from Spidey. The laundry sheriff bit and the chimney sweeping thing feel very forced. I hope it's not a sign of the humor in the rest of the movie.

3) The score. Not a Zimmer fan. I don't care for the main theme. It still sounds like a local news broadcast to me. I did get a chance to listen to the samples when they were up and some of the stuff sounds great. I think that had more to do with guys like Pharrell and Johnny Marr adding their influence. Thank goodness those guys are in there working on this music. They may just save it.

 

[Perry9]

1) I do not like the Goblin design. It's very off putting. Maybe Dane will give a great performance and I might be able to get past it.

2) The humor. I'm not really worried about the Spidey quips. Maybe a little. I think they'll be ok but what I'm really worried about is the humor away from Spidey. The laundry sheriff bit and the chimney sweeping thing feel very forced. I hope it's not a sign of the humor in the rest of the movie.

3) The score. Not a Zimmer fan. I don't care for the main theme. It still sounds like a local news broadcast to me. I did get a chance to listen to the samples when they were up and some of the stuff sounds great. I think that had more to do with guys like Pharrell and Johnny Marr adding their influence. Thank goodness those guys are in there working on this music. They may just save it.

About 2, you gotta watch the price of being a hero featurrete and the neighbourhood ornament clip. I laughed my a$$ off with those two.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

About 2, you gotta watch the price of being a hero featurrete and the neighbourhood ornament clip. I laughed my a$$ off with those two.

I heard they were pretty good from the reactions posted but I'm not watching any of the featurettes or BTS stuff. So close now to the film's release. I can wait.

But that's promising that the humor may indeed be better than those two clips I mentioned. They felt forced and a bit awkward.

 

[Perry9]

I heard they were pretty good from the reactions posted but I'm not watching any of the featurettes or BTS stuff. So close now to the film's release. I can wait.

But that's promising that the humor may indeed be better than those two clips I mentioned. They felt forced and a bit awkward.

I don't, i liked the chimney line. From what i've heard from a couple of guys that watched one of the trailers in the theater, it got a pretty good laugh. I doubt that they are going to put the laundry sheriff in the final product, but that remains to be seen.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I don't, i liked the chimney line. From what i've heard from a couple of guys that watched one of the trailers in the theater, it got a pretty good laugh. I doubt that they are going to put the laundry sheriff in the final product, but that remains to be seen.

Yeah, my wife laughed at the chimney scene. I raised an eyebrow at her, lol. What makes you think the laundry scene won't be in the movie?

 

[Perry9]

Yeah, my wife laughed at the chimney scene. I raised an eyebrow at her, lol. What makes you think the laundry scene won't be in the movie?

It just doesn't seem that the dialogue goes anywhere from there. Of course, i could be wrong, but that would only lead to an awkward situation. I figured that they are going to keep either the chimney line or the laundry sheriff.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It just doesn't seem that the dialogue goes anywhere from there. Of course, i could be wrong, but that would only lead to an awkward situation. I figured that they are going to keep either the chimney line or the laundry sheriff.

You never know really. There's always bits of dialogue or even certain shots from trailers that never make the final cut. We'll see. I have a feeling both will be in the final version of the movie. I'd prefer if neither made it.

 

[The Endless]

Too many characters and plot lines to juggle.

Garfield's Parker still being a bit of a prick.

It will obviously be full of spectacular action... but so is Michael Bay's Transformers. The question is, will i care enough about the characters and story to be invested in the action? Pretty visuals don't mean **** if you don't actually care about anything else.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

My concern is that i'm going to go broke from buying so many tickets to see this movie.

I'll make a small list of things from the top of my head.

1. Humor/Quips (they gotta be good and better than car thief scene)
2. Action sequences (gotta be longer than three minutes lol)
3. Dialogue (hopefully nothing is cringe worthy?)