The Dark Knight Let's debate various aspects of TDK

[Sandouras]

God, wow you just don't see the character of Clark or Superman like I do. I don't need him punching someone he should be able to kill by breathing on, to get enjoyment out of the character or a film based upon him.

Where exactly in that post did i say anything about punching people? I talked about Clark and Superman not talking for the entire movie and suddenly having a son out of freaking nowhere. How can i enjoy the character this way? He just said those brandon lines. Thats all he did.

And yeah, i dont want this superman to look like Reeve. Everybody was so thrilled about Brandon looking like Reeve (which frankly he does NOT) and they didnt notice that he is a freaking kid!

Almost every critic scrutinised BB to the tiniest detail before giving it a good rating, but if you go to Rotten Tomatoes all you ll see about SR is cheers. No scrutinising, nothing. "Yay supeman is back". He was silent people! And lex wanted to sell a green radioactive rock for real estate! GOSH!

I want an actor to play Superman. Not some muscle bound freak. He should be able to fit in a suit and not stand out. Routh was perfect. Big guy, who doesn't look as if he is on HGH.

Oh and that was Singer's plan the entire time.

Muscles aside, he looked like a kid. Why do people complain about aspects of the batman movies not being faithful to the comics but not get angry when a kid plays the man of steel? Superman is supposed to be a big guy. For some reason, it helps the eye and the brain when you see a big guy doing all that than a kid. Its not black and white. I dont want the Rock to play superman. Get a grip man and have a more objective view on SR.

1. You can't exploit Brando. He did that to himself a long time ago.

2. Your argument over Bond films is that you wanted more of the same....

What i meant was that because the hero hardly even spoke, because he got a son out of nowhere and lois a husband out of nowhere, we had to get an epic goosebumpy moment. So singer took the easy way out:

"OOh... i ll have him say Brando's line. Its gonna be sooooo cool and people will get it. All that character development that the movie is missing will be done there!"

Sadly, no! They put those lines in the trailers, in the tv adds, we all thouht its gonna be epic. Superman watching over the earth and that epic speech from his father echoing....it was great! And we got a potato!

My only problem with Routh is that i felt like Singer and him both agreed he was paying more of a tribute to Christopher Reeve than trying to really play Clark Kent/Superman. And I think people should make a movie about Superman and not try to dedicate a film to one done before it.

Routh is ok....but i personally think there are better.

Exactly. Singer should do his own film. Even schumacher had more balls than him.

to be fair, Sandouras is doing the majority of the debates, as it seems.

thanks

 

[Sandouras]

Its also important to note that this generation is different from the one in the 70ies. You cant expect people now to feel the same way about those superman movies. Special effects aside, the chemistry between the characters just doesnt work anymore. That dorky clark looks bad now. Sure it was epic then and your mom liked it, so she ll like this one as well, but me? No i dont like it.

It needs to be more dynamic.

And on another note, you cant have a weekly show (smallville) have better SF than a huge blockbuster. Zod vs Clark was epic.

Give us AllStar Superman in a movie. And give us the goddamn Darkseid. No more Lex!!!!!!!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ok my last comment on Returns. This is after all a Batman board. Routh does not look like a kid. He looks like a man. A fresh face, though considering he is an alien who does not age like us, that makes sense. Superman in the comics has so many different looks (Many of which match Routh), you can't play that card. As to "dork" Clark looking bad. What does that matter? He does not want to be noticed. Though considering you brought up All-Star Superman, you do realize that features "dork" Clark right?

Also what is all this complaining about him not talking. Superman is the strong, silent type. He acts, he doesn't preach.

And you did complain about him not punching someone. You complained that he did not fight someone. Also I never want to see Darksied on film. Not only is he more of DC Universe villain, but that style of story works only in animation. Great film from the 70s is still great now. All this times are a changing crap is beyond missing the point.

Oh and the Rock is built like Routh. Just so you know...

 

[AtlantasBatman]

Bring In Doomsday!!!!!

 

[Sandouras]

Ok my last comment on Returns. This is after all a Batman board. Routh does not look like a kid. He looks like a man. A fresh face, though considering he is an alien who does not age like us, that makes sense. Superman in the comics has so many different looks (Many of which match Routh), you can't play that card. As to "dork" Clark looking bad. What does that matter? He does not want to be noticed. Though considering you brought up All-Star Superman, you do realize that features "dork" Clark right?

Also what is all this complaining about him not talking. Superman is the strong, silent type. He acts, he doesn't preach.

And you did complain about him not punching someone. You complained that he did not fight someone. Also I never want to see Darksied on film. Not only is he more of DC Universe villain, but that style of story works only in animation. Great film from the 70s is still great now. All this times are a changing crap is beyond missing the point.

Oh and the Rock is built like Routh. Just so you know...

No he isnt.

Darkseid was invented as a Superman villain. Someone who can beat the crap out of him.
I did complain about the punching, but i did complain more about the non talking. Imagine if Superman is a non talker, what would batman be? Imagine BB by Singer: Start credits......bam (parents dead)....i'm batman.....end credits. Seriously now, he came out of Krypton which he found dead and said 2 words. He found lois married and said two words. Even Batman does brood so much!

Bring In Doomsday!!!!!

Doomsday has two problems. One is that he is a mindless drone that only knows how to punch and secondly, you re gonna have to kill superman if you use him. Darkseid isnt just a drone. He has manipulated Brainiac in his plans! I mean....the guy will do your mom and your dad if you piss him off!

If Clark wanted to, he could use his super-speed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person.


...and deep down, I'm not"

Is that by batman? Lol, batman isnt a bad guy. He doesnt have superpowers so he uses other methods.

 

[The Guard]

Darkseid was invented as a Superman villain. Someone who can beat the crap out of him.

Darkseid was invented as a New God. He was later put into/tied into the Superman mythology. Granted, some of the New Gods stories took place in Metropolis, but he wasn't a Superman villain, per se, at his creation.

 

[Sandouras]

I wanna set something for discussion here.

Do you think that Bruce will run his company in TDK? Should he? I mean, lately in comics he rarely takes off the mask and he seems to be getting lost more and more in batman. Writers barely bother with bruce when they can have Batman in the cave being a d1ck to anyone near him because "its edgy" or "that's what House does and its cool".

Miller's DKR was good and all but nowadays writers dont even think anymore. They just copied DKR and even surpassed it! Where is the fun of the character? Who wants to see this one dimensional dickery?

Anyway...what do you guys think?

 

[Jack Ups]

I wanna set something for discussion here.

Do you think that Bruce will run his company in TDK? Should he? I mean, lately in comics he rarely takes off the mask and he seems to be getting lost more and more in batman. Writers barely bother with bruce when they can have Batman in the cave being a d1ck to anyone near him because "its edgy" or "that's what House does and its cool".

Miller's DKR was good and all but nowadays writers dont even think anymore. They just copied DKR and even surpassed it! Where is the fun of the character? Who wants to see this one dimensional dickery?

Anyway...what do you guys think?

To be fair, thinkgs have got better since the crisis with batman being slightly happier , parting from DKR, i think really the prefect batman is batman done by Jeph loeb in Long halloween, sure its batman and hes grumpy but you still see bruce do stuff, i aslo think its fair to say that now days its pretty accpeted that batman is the true personality of the character, so a character driven so much like batman why would he want to waste time as bruce, its help that crap has happened aswell makign batman be used mroe and mroe.

I think its pretty much fine as it is, i mean a story about bruce doing normal stuff would be boring and we read about batman/bruce all the time,with bruce's personality being narrated more .

 

[Sandouras]

To be fair, thinkgs have got better since the crisis with batman being slightly happier , parting from DKR, i think really the prefect batman is batman done by Jeph loeb in Long halloween, sure its batman and hes grumpy but you still see bruce do stuff, i aslo think its fair to say that now days its pretty accpeted that batman is the true personality of the character, so a character driven so much like batman why would he want to waste time as bruce, its help that crap has happened aswell makign batman be used mroe and mroe.

I think its pretty much fine as it is, i mean a story about bruce doing normal stuff would be boring and we read about batman/bruce all the time,with bruce's personality being narrated more .

Well i didnt find BTAS being boring when they were showing Bruce. Not only was it interesting but we did get to see other aspects of the character. Hiring the Ventriloquist in Wayne Ent to help him reform for one. Doing detective work as Matches Malone, dining with the playas of gotham to extract info, dining with Selina, etc. Cause if Bruce is boring, so is Peter, Clark, Tony, etc. Lets have a movie in which only ironman is shown, or tony fiddling with the suit in the workshop. Or have a movie with no Mary Jane love story or Aunt May bullsh1t. Just spiderman.

BTAS had the best balance between Bruce and Batman. And his slow transformation into a d1ck was nicely done. Good thing the show ended just in time when the d1ckery became intolerable. Then we cut to Bruce in Beyond who is all secluded and bitter, but still an inferior d1ck to comics batman.

I wouldnt want to see a film where the superhero constanly wears his suit and there is no time spent on his alt persona. Would you want a movie with no Bruce, or no Peter Parker? Its boring and its cheap entertainment if you ask me. Cause repetitively showing batman puching and detectiving is boring and mindless. And so is his d1ck persona. Bruce should be seen and batman shouldnt be just an a$$hole as they portray him nowadays in comics. Its like saying Peter Parker is a dork and nothing more. Its true that batman isnt superman, but lets not blow it out of proportion. I remember a comic page where Batman denounces being bruce wayne and Dick is all furious saying: "Then who was the man that raised me?". Batman just says "..." and gets in the batmobile. Yeah...its so "edgy".....so "cool". "Maybe we should kill alfred which would result in batman becoming like Monk. Or lets make him a cripple hooked up on Vicodin". Writers should come up with better and cleverer stuff than that. If TDK delivers a plot as good as it promises, then i hope the comics industry gets a lesson. Sure, Batman is his real persona, but lets not wipe BW completely out of existence.

Finally, FYI the first half of BB was as much entertaining to me as the second. So Bruce isnt boring if you have a good plot. But the problem with the character is that all his family (alfred, dick, tim, etc) know who he is. He doesnt have a love life as bruce, nor does he need to run his company himself. So you dont need bruce around so much. On the other hand, Aunt May doesnt know who pete is, nor did MJ, he had to work for a living and he had a social life. Thats why they have more things to show for pete, thus making him interesting. Pete's struggles are SM's troubles. So there's a better balance there. Maybe they should give Batman an MJ. Not that MJ, a normal woman for him to care about. A financial struggle for Wayne Ent that needs his attention. Something! You can always find things for Bruce to do IF YOU TRY. THEY DONT!