Let's Watch Spider-Man 3 Again and Find Positive Things To Say About It

I liked sandmans birth scene and the scene where we first see black spidey but everything else in this movie is crap. Its just mind blowing looking back how bad they messed that movie up. I mean they had 3 years to plan and execute a great finale to the trilogy and after so much hype and a great teaser what we got almost played like a parody and had more holes in the plot then swiss cheese. Characters doing things that made no sense, villians with zero believability in there motives, One guys daughter is sick so it makes it ok for him to steal and the other gets fired from his job for manipulating photos. Tobey for some reason too just decided to act completely different then the previous two movies and god did I hate seeing spiderman cry all the time.
 
I liked sandmans birth scene and the scene where we first see black spidey but everything else in this movie is crap. Its just mind blowing looking back how bad they messed that movie up. I mean they had 3 years to plan and execute a great finale to the trilogy and after so much hype and a great teaser what we got almost played like a parody and had more holes in the plot then swiss cheese. Characters doing things that made no sense, villians with zero believability in there motives, One guys daughter is sick so it makes it ok for him to steal and the other gets fired from his job for manipulating photos. Tobey for some reason too just decided to act completely different then the previous two movies and god did I hate seeing spiderman cry all the time.

I don't think execs and Raimi were thinking in terms of trilogy. And that might have been a huge part of the problem.

Giving Peter only one love interest was a huge mistake. Not only it's dimwitted and far removed from the comics' Peter, but it also forced Raimi to drag that one romance for three movies, and all suggested he was going to do it again for a fourth film. It could have been a better plan to have had this as a trilogy so the romance aspect could make some progress instead of the tiring and endless backs and forths.




Hoffman & Jameson

Has anyone seen the 1977-1979 Spiderman TV series? In the second episode (a two-parter) there is this femalke journalist (actress Joanna cameron aka Isis) whose name is precisely Hoffman. I doubt there's a nod there. But has anyone else made the connection? Just asking.
 
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Has anyone seen the 1977-1979 Spiderman TV series? In the second episode (a two-parter) there is this femalke journalist (actress Joanna cameron aka Isis) whose name is precisely Hoffman. I doubt there's a nod there. But has anyone else made the connection? Just asking.
I noticed this, but I never thoguht it was a nod.
 
I don't think execs and Raimi were thinking in terms of trilogy. And that might have been a huge part of the problem.

Giving Peter only one love interest was a huge mistake. Not only it's dimwitted and far removed from the comics' Peter, but it also forced Raimi to drag that one romance for three movies, and all suggested he was going to do it again for a fourth film. It could have been a better plan to have had this as a trilogy so the romance aspect could make some progress instead of the tiring and endless backs and forths.


That was my one big problem too, dunsts got annoying especially in the third when they made her jealous of peter being spiderman and her not having any success, they essentially took there spots in spiderman 2 and just switched and only made MJ a *****. I actually appluaded when peter punched her and hoped maybe venom would of killed her off. Spiderman 3 was great way of how not to make a spiderman movie. I know all the negatives have been beat over the head to death but Im interested to see a new take on the franchise, I really think Raimi was running out of steam.
 
I certainly think Raimi would've delivered a great part 3 if he had been given some rest in between films. As I understand it,once one movie ended he was thrown back in and had to get ready for the next. He had no time to rest and his mind was thinking Spider-man 24/7 for most of the decade. I think it did wear him out mentally. As far as the symbiote and Venom goes,well,we all know he didn't know much at all about them. Therefore,Venom was screwed over as a character and the symbiote was treated as comedy,which it never should be.
 
There was a thread I saw that was then linked up to this thread, so I feel like posting something on here, haha.

1.) Stan Lee's cameo - (at 29 seconds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvdHMY96hlo&feature=share&list=PLAC5CCE5FA608E286

(for some reason I can't seem to play the link up with the YouTube settings on here)

2.) Birth of Sandman - [YT]Txnf4s7eWs0[/YT]

3.) Birth of Venom - [YT]fz6yrNFZz7k[/YT]

The aerial battle between Peter and Harry didn't make the list because, while it looked fantastic, there were certain parts of it that I didn't like, most importantly the ending. And the mansion battle between Peter and Harry was also quite fantastic but the dialogue kills the entire thing for me. I have watched the scene on TV with it on mute and it's 100x better.

Basically everything else, though, I didn't like. Aunt May in the movie, Gwen Stacy, Captain Stacy, Mary Jane, and even Eddie Brock and Flint Marko themselves didn't seem to really "connect". And every single action piece except for the ones exclusively for Peter and Harry were not fun, at least not fun for me to watch.

Also, while I love J.K. Simmons and James Franco, sadly the script did nothing to make their acting outstanding. Nevertheless, those two are some of the best things about Raimi's trilogy as a whole.
 
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I agree with you Anno! Especially the two "birth" scenes were some of my favourite scenes in the entire trilogy. Unfortunately those were in the worst movie.

EDIT: That's one frustrating thing for me. Overall, I wasn't pleased with Raimi's trilogy. But then, there are bits of perfection that I just can't imagine being done better, such as those two birth scenes. Those two are just so perfect! Then Venom is all scrawny, screechy and just overall bad, and Sandman turns into a huge idiot, in a movie full of cheese. God dammit! I'd like to see Venom done again and be more of a big badass, but then I also know that they can't top that specific birth scene which will make me think "Oh, Venom was so good in this movie!! But...his birth scene in SM3 was still much better".

It's the same with Doc Ock. I can't imagine a more fitting actor for the role. I also can't imagine a better design for him, it's just perfect! Then Raimi (or more likely, Avi Arad) made him a wannabe Lizard in a movie full of cheese, which kills it for me. So if Doc Ock is done again, I'll probably think "Oh, Doc Ock was so good in this movie!! But...he looked much better in SM2".

Raimi also did Spider-Man's origin almost perfect. Actors aside, I still prefer the origin of SM1 to ASM. It feels more iconic. But, for being different, the origin in ASM was still really, really good (and overall I much prefer ASM to Raimi's films combined). Then, SM1 made Green Goblin look like a plastic action figure in a movie and he cast Tobey and Dunst for the main roles. WTF?

It's so annoying!
 
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I decided to watch SM3 again. I haven't done so in probably about a year or more but with the release of ASM I wanted to go back and revisit the movie.

1) Sandman-- I've said this before but his transformation scene is pure poetry. It's my second favorite scene from the entire trilogy.

2) Venom-- I agree with Anno here. They mishandled the character to many degrees but the actual transformation scene was done very well.

3) Gwen Stacy rescue -- when Spidey slings himself off that last piece of rubble and catches her you can't help but cheer. Raimi expertly films this action sequence and it's still very fun to watch.

4) Kitchen scene with MJ and Harry -- this one scene had more excitement and appeal than any of the scenes involving Peter and MJ. I really wanted Harry & MJ to wander off from this clip and start their own movie, away from SM3.

5) Black suit -- although not the classic 616, the design/effects crew did a fantastic job bringing this suit to life. The detail is so good and looks incredible on Bluray. Any scene with Spidey in this suit is worth watching just because of the visual appeal.
 
I agree with you Anno! Especially the two "birth" scenes were some of my favourite scenes in the entire trilogy. Unfortunately those were in the worst movie.

EDIT: That's one frustrating thing for me. Overall, I wasn't pleased with Raimi's trilogy. But then, there are bits of perfection that I just can't imagine being done better, such as those two birth scenes. Those two are just so perfect! Then Venom is all scrawny, screechy and just overall bad, and Sandman turns into a huge idiot, in a movie full of cheese. God dammit! I'd like to see Venom done again and be more of a big badass, but then I also know that they can't top that specific birth scene which will make me think "Oh, Venom was so good in this movie!! But...his birth scene in SM3 was still much better".

It's the same with Doc Ock. I can't imagine a more fitting actor for the role. I also can't imagine a better design for him, it's just perfect! Then Raimi (or more likely, Avi Arad) made him a wannabe Lizard in a movie full of cheese, which kills it for me. So if Doc Ock is done again, I'll probably think "Oh, Doc Ock was so good in this movie!! But...he looked much better in SM2".

Raimi also did Spider-Man's origin almost perfect. Actors aside, I still prefer the origin of SM1 to ASM. It feels more iconic. But, for being different, the origin in ASM was still really, really good (and overall I much prefer ASM to Raimi's films combined). Then, SM1 made Green Goblin look like a plastic action figure in a movie and he cast Tobey and Dunst for the main roles. WTF?

It's so annoying!

Imo, Raimi has picked excellent actors for the villains(minus Topher Grace), but it's just the writing that really kills them. It doesn't kill Ock for me because overall I like Ock in S-M 2 EXCEPT for his tentacles sounding audible and having a mind of their own, lol.

I decided to watch SM3 again. I haven't done so in probably about a year or more but with the release of ASM I wanted to go back and revisit the movie.

1) Sandman-- I've said this before but his transformation scene is pure poetry. It's my second favorite scene from the entire trilogy.

2) Venom-- I agree with Anno here. They mishandled the character to many degrees but the actual transformation scene was done very well.

3) Gwen Stacy rescue -- when Spidey slings himself off that last piece of rubble and catches her you can't help but cheer. Raimi expertly films this action sequence and it's still very fun to watch.

4) Kitchen scene with MJ and Harry -- this one scene had more excitement and appeal than any of the scenes involving Peter and MJ. I really wanted Harry & MJ to wander off from this clip and start their own movie, away from SM3.

5) Black suit -- although not the classic 616, the design/effects crew did a fantastic job bringing this suit to life. The detail is so good and looks incredible on Bluray. Any scene with Spidey in this suit is worth watching just because of the visual appeal.

Imo, Venom is right up their behind Sandman's transformation for sure, but that scene where the rocks all build up to create Marko again...just brilliant. It's sad to see such a great transformation of a character that could also be great in a disappointing film. The same goes for Venom.

And I also feel that Franco and Dunst had much better chemistry than Dunst and Maguire. Possibly why the Franco/Dunst scenes in S-M 3 feel more natural than the scenes with Dunst/Maguire.
 
Sandman's transformation was beautiful. It made me tear a little the first time I watched it, especially when he couldn't pick up the locket with Penny's photograph. I don't know why a bunch of kids were yelling out how "bootleg" the scene looked. I remember reading somewhere that this scene took about 3 years to finish. All that hard work for a spectacular scene in such a disappointing movie.
 
Peter pushing MJ to the floor

Peter forgiving Flint for Ben's death. I know it's a retcon of Spidey 1, but Ben's death was what made Peter be Spider-Man in the first place, his guilt carried over into Spider-Man 2 and was a constant theme throughout the series, so I think Raimi HAD to cover Ben's death again in a very important way during the finale to bring things full-circle, even if it meant retconning who Ben's killer really was. Peter forgiving Flint gives him the closure that Peter has needed since Spider-Man 1. I know naysayers find the scene corny and stupid, but I think it's a touching scene, with some important character development.

Peter's narration at Harry's funeral: "Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. It's the choices that make us who we are. And we can always choose to do what's right."

Some Powerful words right there. In fact, I might just make that my new sig.

The opening credits. Music was great, and clips from the previous films, mixed with Sand and the Symbiote was a nice touch.

Peter tearing off the suit/Venom's debut

The first Spidey/New Goblin battle. When I first saw the movie, I had trouble understanding what was happening, becuase everything moved so fast, but on repeat viewings, I developed a better understanding of what was going on, and therefore, enjoyed the scene much more.

Peter and Harry fighting over MJ. They've both had a thing for her throughout the series, so this was inevitable. I'm a sucker for stories where the two best friends turn on each other and engage in deadly combat.

Peter and MJ's embrace at the end. This isn't the comic Spidey, this is Raimi's Spidey, and in his world, MJ is Peter's one and only. Peter/MJ are my favorite comic-book movie couple and it was nice to see things end with the two together. Peter's love for MJ is the emotional core of these movies. I liked that they didn't do the cliche "hero kissing the girl" ending. It's more touching just to see the two embrace.

Disco-strutting Peter. LOL.

I hated it at first, but you know what, The Jazz Club scene. The whole thing. It's silly and ridiculous, but it's still funny, and takes a serious turn when Peter confronts MJ.

This movie is too harshly criticized. Yeah, it was disappointing the first time I saw it, but I grew to like it on repeat viewings. It is NOTHING like Batman & Robin, and despite its flaws, it's still more interesting and entertaining than the vastly overrated and mind-numbingly boring The Dark Knight Rises.
 
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Peter pushing MJ to the floor

Peter forgiving Flint for Ben's death. I know it's a retcon of Spidey 1, but Ben's death was what made Peter be Spider-Man in the first place, his guilt carried over into Spider-Man 2 and was a constant theme throughout the series, so I think Raimi HAD to cover Ben's death again in a very important way during the finale to bring things full-circle, even if it meant retconning who Ben's killer really was. Peter forgiving Flint gives him the closure that Peter has needed since Spider-Man 1. I know naysayers find the scene corny and stupid, but I think it's a touching scene, with some important character development.

Peter's narration at Harry's funeral: "Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. It's the choices that make us who we are. And we can always choose to do what's right."

Some Powerful words right there. In fact, I might just make that my new sig.

The opening credits. Music was great, and clips from the previous films, mixed with Sand and the Symbiote was a nice touch.

Peter tearing off the suit/Venom's debut

The first Spidey/New Goblin battle. When I first saw the movie, I had trouble understanding what was happening, becuase everything moved so fast, but on repeat viewings, I developed a better understanding of what was going on, and therefore, enjoyed the scene much more.

Peter and Harry fighting over MJ. They've both had a thing for her throughout the series, so this was inevitable. I'm a sucker for stories where the two best friends turn on each other and engage in deadly combat.

Peter and MJ's embrace at the end. This isn't the comic Spidey, this is Raimi's Spidey, and in his world, MJ is Peter's one and only. Peter/MJ are my favorite comic-book movie couple and it was nice to see things end with the two together. Peter's love for MJ is the emotional core of these movies. I liked that they didn't do the cliche "hero kissing the girl" ending. It's more touching just to see the two embrace.

Disco-strutting Peter. LOL.

I hated it at first, but you know what, The Jazz Club scene. The whole thing. It's silly and ridiculous, but it's still funny, and takes a serious turn when Peter confronts MJ.

This movie is too harshly criticized. Yeah, it was disappointing the first time I saw it, but I grew to like it on repeat viewings. It is NOTHING like Batman & Robin, and despite its flaws, it's still more interesting and entertaining than the vastly overrated and mind-numbingly boring The Dark Knight Rises.

I agree with everything except Disco-strutting Peter & the Jazz Club scene.
 
I gotta say as a fan of Spidey as a kid mainly because of the first two Rami films and the original comics, I did not care for Venom at all. Besides being slightly scaried of him as a younger kid the Venom I knew from the games I had played was kind of an idiot. ("SURF THE WEB!!! SURF THE WEB!!!!") So reading Peter David's novel of SM3 and seeing the film made me get and love Venom as he was originally concived of being. A evil version of Spider Man.
 
I gotta say as a fan of Spidey as a kid mainly because of the first two Rami films and the original comics, I did not care for Venom at all. Besides being slightly scaried of him as a younger kid the Venom I knew from the games I had played was kind of an idiot. ("SURF THE WEB!!! SURF THE WEB!!!!") So reading Peter David's novel of SM3 and seeing the film made me get and love Venom as he was originally concived of being. A evil version of Spider Man.
What did you think of Venom from the 90s animated series? I think they nailed his character as well as the whole symbiote storyline.
 
I missed out on the series actually. I didn't become a fan till around 2002 when the Rami film came. Since SM3 Venom has become one of my favorite Spidey villians even though he can be over played and over done.
 
Disco-strutting Peter. LOL.

I hated it at first, but you know what, The Jazz Club scene. The whole thing. It's silly and ridiculous, but it's still funny, and takes a serious turn when Peter confronts MJ.

This movie is too harshly criticized. Yeah, it was disappointing the first time I saw it, but I grew to like it on repeat viewings. It is NOTHING like Batman & Robin, and despite its flaws, it's still more interesting and entertaining than the vastly overrated and mind-numbingly boring The Dark Knight Rises.

When you enjoy silly and ridiculous moments, no wonder you found TDKR to be boring :funny:
 
It's not like I said the silly and ridiculous bits were "smart" "creative" or "moving" I know they're bad. I acknowledge that. But it adds a sense of fun to the movie and keeps itself from getting too melodramatic. I hated most of those scenes on the first viewing, but grew to accept them on repeat viewings and get amused by them.

Look, I like Batman. As you see in my sig, I LOVED the first two Batman movies from Nolan. I had high expectations for TDKR, but it just didn't deliver to me. I was immensely bored by the characters of Dagett and Officer Foley. I don't want to watch Bruce mope around Wayne Manor for an hour. I don't want to see him sitting in a hole. I don't want the focus of a Batman movie to shift to Blake (With a completely flat performance by JGL) for an extended period of time. How did Nolan think those ideas would translate into entertaining or compelling entertainment? Why would he think people would like a Batman movie with almost no Batman in it?

Then there's the boardroom talk Bruce has with Lucius and Miranda. Nolan managed to make those scenes watchable in BB and TDK, but in TDKR, they just bored me to sleep.

TDK was serious, dramatic, depressing, tragic, exciting and terrifying, but admist all of that, still managed to keep a sense of fun about itself, from Batman's new gadgets like the sticky bomb gun, sonar vision and the Bat-Pod, the little bit with the kids seeing Batman fly by in the Bat-Pod, to funny quips not just from The Joker, but Bruce, Alfred, Lucius and even Coleman Reese. To top it all off, the movie had The Joker dressed up as a Nurse, even going so far as to wash his hands after talking to Harvey, then fiddling with a broken detonator.

The movie didn't become all gloomy until after Rachel's death.

But TDKR.. Just so darn melancholy. I felt like everyone was just whining in the movie. Bruce moping around Wayne Manor, grieving Rachel, Bruce being heartbroken that Rachel wanted Harvey, Blake telling a sob story of his dead parents, learning that [BLACKOUT]Gordon's family left him, [/BLACKOUT]Gordon in the hospital, Alfred getting teary eyed remembering Bruce's infancy, Bane talking about the despair of being in the darkness all his life, Talia angry over her father's death, Pavel dying, Foley dying, [BLACKOUT]Bane dying, Talia dying, Bruce dying.[/BLACKOUT] ALRIGHT NOLAN, WE GET IT ALREADY. IT'S A DRAAAAAAAAMA! :o

Spider-Man 3, for all its flaws, didn't try to beat the audience over the head "DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA" it kept a sense of fun amidst stuff like Harry mourning his father and wanting revenge, Harry getting a grenade to the face, Peter and Harry's friendship being broken, the inner turmoil Peter feels, from the guilt of Ben's death, the drive for revenge against Flint and his jealously/heartbreak over Harry getting together with MJ.

Eddie Brock's story had him pining for Gwen, wanting to be with her just as much as Peter wanted to be with MJ in Spider-Man 1, (One scene blatantly shows the mirror of Peter and Eddie..)

Peter: *snaps a picture of MJ* Hey beautiful!

-cut to Eddie Brock-

Eddie: *snaps a picture of Gwen* Hey beautiful!

A little on the nose, but you get the idea. Peter and Eddie are mirrors of each other, but while Peter's story ends happily, Eddie's ends in tragedy. Peter humiliates Eddie, costing him his job, takes Gwen away from him, and leaves Eddie with nothing but the desire for revenge. Unlike Peter, who learned to forgive, Eddie lets that desire ultimately destroy him.

For all its silliness, Spider-Man 3 still has seriousness and drama, with themes of redemption & self-sacrifice, and a moving final narration from Peter.

But yes, Spider-Man 3 is flawed and a bit cheesy. Not as ridiculous and flawed like Batman & Robin, but still flawed and cheesy.

Spider-Man 3, for all its flaws, I can still watch multiple times.

TDKR I can not. I don't even want to buy the DVD. Maybe I'll catch it on cable a couple years from now, but that's about it. I have no desire to watch it again.
 
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I didn't find anything serious in Spider-Man 3 except for the moving scene of Sandman's transformation, imo. Harry's death, Peter forgiving Marko, Marko talking about curing his daughter...they didn't feel dramatic whatsoever to me. But once more, I blame the script for that. At least I felt saddened with Alfred's scenes and moved in the ending of TDKR.

But, we definitely feel the exact opposite when it comes to the three films, lol.
 
Peter pushing MJ to the floor

Peter forgiving Flint for Ben's death. I know it's a retcon of Spidey 1, but Ben's death was what made Peter be Spider-Man in the first place, his guilt carried over into Spider-Man 2 and was a constant theme throughout the series, so I think Raimi HAD to cover Ben's death again in a very important way during the finale to bring things full-circle, even if it meant retconning who Ben's killer really was. Peter forgiving Flint gives him the closure that Peter has needed since Spider-Man 1. I know naysayers find the scene corny and stupid, but I think it's a touching scene, with some important character development.

Peter's narration at Harry's funeral: "Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. It's the choices that make us who we are. And we can always choose to do what's right."

Some Powerful words right there. In fact, I might just make that my new sig.

The opening credits. Music was great, and clips from the previous films, mixed with Sand and the Symbiote was a nice touch.

Peter tearing off the suit/Venom's debut

The first Spidey/New Goblin battle. When I first saw the movie, I had trouble understanding what was happening, becuase everything moved so fast, but on repeat viewings, I developed a better understanding of what was going on, and therefore, enjoyed the scene much more.

Peter and Harry fighting over MJ. They've both had a thing for her throughout the series, so this was inevitable. I'm a sucker for stories where the two best friends turn on each other and engage in deadly combat.

Peter and MJ's embrace at the end. This isn't the comic Spidey, this is Raimi's Spidey, and in his world, MJ is Peter's one and only. Peter/MJ are my favorite comic-book movie couple and it was nice to see things end with the two together. Peter's love for MJ is the emotional core of these movies. I liked that they didn't do the cliche "hero kissing the girl" ending. It's more touching just to see the two embrace.

Disco-strutting Peter. LOL.

I hated it at first, but you know what, The Jazz Club scene. The whole thing. It's silly and ridiculous, but it's still funny, and takes a serious turn when Peter confronts MJ.

This movie is too harshly criticized. Yeah, it was disappointing the first time I saw it, but I grew to like it on repeat viewings. It is NOTHING like Batman & Robin, and despite its flaws, it's still more interesting and entertaining than the vastly overrated and mind-numbingly boring The Dark Knight Rises.

Agreed on all counts.

There's bits and pieces all over the film that I enjoy immensely. On top of those you listed, there's some really great Raimi quriks throughout, like Peter sitting between two massive guys at MJ's show, all the sand pouring out of Spidey's boot after his first confrontation with Marko, and BC as the french waiter.

The action in this film is fantastic. So many great set pieces. Raimi always had a great handle on exhilirating sequences and power displays.

TDKR has just as many facepalm moments as SM3 for me, and they stand out far worse with Nolan's serious approach. I enjoy it for Bane though. Every line he has is hysterical to me.
 
If I were to hate on anything from SM3 it would be how it apperantly runined the Rami films for whatever reason in the public eye. At their time the Rami films were as highly regarded as the Nolan Batman films. Now though just because SM3 wasn't as good as the first two EVERYONE seems to hate the Rami films.
 
TDKR has just as many facepalm moments as SM3 for me, and they stand out far worse with Nolan's serious approach. I enjoy it for Bane though. Every line he has is hysterical to me.

I'm glad the majority doesn't think so.
 
Marko talking about curing his daughter...they didn't feel dramatic whatsoever to me.

I agree on that. The whole bit with Sandman's daughter was really unnecessary and pointless.

I also agree to what you said a few posts ago, that scenes with J.K Simmons at the Bugle fell flat and weren't as funny in this installment they were in previous films.
 
I'm glad the majority doesn't think so.

Whatever makes you feel secure man.

I agree on that. The whole bit with Sandman's daughter was really unnecessary and pointless.

I also agree to what you said a few posts ago, that scenes with J.K Simmons at the Bugle fell flat and weren't as funny in this installment they were in previous films.

I liked the Bugle scene with Betty buzzing about the pills, but later at the crime scene with the little girl and the camera... eh awful and misplaced.


Raimi paints Marko's sympathetic story so, so thickly at the start. I think this really hurt the character's likability later on because it's so broadly drawn.

"I'm not a bad person, just had bad luck" isn't true, and I think this should have been more conclusively addressed at the end. He may have suffered a desperate situation, but he still made the choice to do wrong. I still like his surrender at the end, but it could have been stronger if the dialogue more clearly reflected his change of heart.
 
I agree on that. The whole bit with Sandman's daughter was really unnecessary and pointless.

I also agree to what you said a few posts ago, that scenes with J.K Simmons at the Bugle fell flat and weren't as funny in this installment they were in previous films.

:up: :up:

Minus Raimi's brother, I enjoyed the Daily Bugle scenes in Spider-Man 2 the most. But, that's not so odd when my favorite Spidey film is S-M 2, lol.

Whatever makes you feel secure man.

Being right makes me feel secured? :huh:

Umm...okay! :up:
 

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