The Amazing Spider-Man Lizard Talk

[Spider-ManHero12]

Something I don't understand is how Spider-ManHero12 created a double standard in the "This movie will make a lot of money" thread by saying that Chris Nolan could possibly fail with Batman 3 & make a bad movie whilst saying Raimi's SM-4 would be a surefire hit. Stop riding his cottails and accept that everything he makes isn't gold. I liked SM-3 but he dropped the ball greatly/

I'm not sucking up to him. Also, the same can be said about Nolan's Bat universe. Also, you may say that it's odd for me to say S-M4 is going to be a surefire hit, which, I didn't say it was, but do you actually think Batman 3 has a great chance of being good? Every movie has a chance of doing bad. Spider-Man 4 could be a terrible film, but it could also be a great movie. Batman 3 could be a terrible film, but it could also be a great movie. For some reason (with all due respect. I'm not trying to sound mean, trust me), you seem to be annoyed with how you think I'm sucking up to Sam, but honestly, since July 18th the most sucking up I've seen is to Chris Nolan. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's true. People think he could direct anything, but I don't hear any complaining about that.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

 

[TheSlag]

That's BS. I don't see how me saying "it's his interpretation" is sucking up to him. Was Sam's Peter parker just like the comics? No, but what is fact is that he changed it up a bit to fit into his spidey film universe.

Cry and complain all you want, but I think you have shown your biased and true opinion with your many posts here. All glorifying any and everything that Sam & Co have done.

With your unwillingness to even see any faults with the movies, and your Pom Pom waving, your opinions hold little value to me.

And you say "changed it up a "BIT"? to fit into "HIS"? spidey film universe... and in the same breath "YOU"? call him a fan and a true champion of Spider-Man???

Wow.. ur too much. But I fear you are quite young too, so I should probably just go back to ignoring your posts.

"My bad"

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cry and complain all you want, but I think you have shown your biased and true opinion with your many posts here. All glorifying any and everything that Sam & Co have done.

With your unwillingness to even see any faults with the movies, and your Pom Pom waving, your opinions hold little value to me.

And you say "changed it up a "BIT"? to fit into "HIS"? spidey film universe... and in the same breath "YOU"? call him a fan and a true champion of Spider-Man???

Wow.. ur too much. But I fear you are quite young too, so I should probably just go back to ignoring your posts.

"My bad"

Quite young? You see, I don't get you, it's usually the people who hate Raimi that do this, btw. If you don't like him, then why are you here? It's all the same. Stay out if you hate him. also, If i was sucking up to Sam, then how come I don't think Venom's screen time was perfect? EVERY film has flaws. I haven't seen one flawless film.

Funny thing is, you probably think every one of my posts are about Raimi and these movies, which is not true. I post in the comics section, Misc. film section, etc.

 

[Spiderine]

That's not the angle I was coming from; so you half right as far as Otto and the loving wife. The similarity with Sandman, imo, will be the child. However, you are right, Otto's wife is dead; so the GA didn't see how that would play into it when Otto became DocOck. Yet we have seen that in many ways with Spidey and MJ... so to speak. And the child, the helpless child who just loves & wants her dad... how is Franklin going to be any difference.

Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters.

I think that would really play a good part in the sympathetic side with Connors. I think seeing the Lizard go so out of control to the point where he grabs his wife and is about to kill her would work. Then, before he actually tries to kill her, he realizes what he's doing and puts her down.

 

[ronny]

I think that a Lizard/Spiderman battle in the sewers would be amazingly tense. With Spidey on the defensive and being hunted through the filthy tunnels. I really can't wait!
Plus, The Lizard was my favourite villain when I first started reading Spider-Man. So I'm hyped to see how they'll do him.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters.

Well, there was a story at one time, that suggest that Sony was considering shooting Spidey 4&5 back-2-back. Than there was another story that someone posted a link to, that appear to contradict the previous. I say all of that say this. One problem I have with the highlighted statement, I'm not sure Sam can do it in one film... first, without it appearing rushed like Eddie Brock's story. It needs time to develop along the way... the complexes of an impactful relationship. Second, some other event or situation would have to fill screen time while the relationship is being developed. Which mean, Lizard would have to appear much later to fill the impact on Peter's life.

I have always contended, if Sony was doing back-2-back films, Sam would take the approach that you have suggested; as well, go into more detail with Connors experiments leading to Lizard in Spidey5. Lizard would not be the villain in Spidey4. Connor's pre-Lizard story still needs more development imo. We have yet to see his family or hear anything obtaining to any experiments. To do it not would be rushed, to fill time gaps.

This is why I say, I wouldn't be so sure that Lizard is the next villain... and if so, I'm not so sure his family would play a major role. They would probably be more like an appearence... like Sandman's family. Understand, although Connors name or appearence have been in all films, Sam has not really set-up Connors to become Lizard. Connors have just made appearences.... we know he's there. That's all.

 

[TheSlag]

Quite young? You see, I don't get you, it's usually the people who hate Raimi that do this, btw. If you don't like him, then why are you here? It's all the same. Stay out if you hate him. also, If i was sucking up to Sam, then how come I don't think Venom's screen time was perfect? EVERY film has flaws. I haven't seen one flawless film.

Funny thing is, you probably think every one of my posts are about Raimi and these movies, which is not true. I post in the comics section, Misc. film section, etc.

LOL... STAY OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM!!! And to think I actually thouught you were young or immature.

Wow.. What's next, you gonna take your ball and go home if we DO NOT play by your rules? Wait, I know, Run and Tell Mama.

Yu're the living definition of what is wrong with this site, the Moderators, and WHY good posters like Visionary and others have been banned or do not post here any more. Go wave your Pom Poms at someone else.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL... STAY OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM!!! And to think I actually thouught you were young or immature.

Wow.. What's next, you gonna take your ball and go home if we DO NOT play by your rules? Wait, I know, Run and Tell Mama.

Yu're the living definition of what is wrong with this site, the Moderators, and WHY good posters like Visionary and others have been banned or do not post here any more. Go wave your Pom Poms at someone else.

I think you're the living defenition of what's wrong with this site. You and all those other freakin trolls.

 

[SpeterMan3]

So...










How bout that Lizard?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yeah, sorry, let's get back on topic.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Lol

 

[Spiderine]

This is why I say, I wouldn't be so sure that Lizard is the next villain... and if so, I'm not so sure his family would play a major role. They would probably be more like an appearence... like Sandman's family. Understand, although Connors name or appearence have been in all films, Sam has not really set-up Connors to become Lizard. Connors have just made appearences.... we know he's there. That's all.

Had they decided to do this back to back then I could very well understand a gradual buildup of Lizard experiments in the first movie because of the enormous time they could use. I actually thought filming both films was a great idea. However it seems they won't.

I think Connors' family will have a bigger role in terms of the impact it will have on them along with Spiderman's intervention. Other than using Sandman's daughter as a plot device in his motivation to steal money there was really nothing else there. There was no reaction by or interaction with Sandman at all with his family once this major change from villain to supervillain took place. There was definitely no conclusion with him at the end since all Sandman was there for was a reason for Parker to become vengeful and full of hate.

This at the very least gives them a whole other angle to work with since Spiderman is actually trying to help a villain who does not embrace his curse. Something we really have not seen yet.

 

[COMPO]

i'd like Morbius and the Lizard to be in the next film just to deal with the Man-Spider thing. Like spiderman is starting to mutate and is being helped by Doc Connors but because Connors wants to help peter so badly he tests it on himself turning into the Lizard meanwhile the Morbius is being the monster he is and attacking people

 

[The Joker]

The Morbius rumour has already been quashed. He's not going to be in it, thank god.

 

[COMPO]

why what's up with morbius?

 

[The Joker]

He's a vampire. And there's more than enough vampire movies around these days. Too many.

Don't need it in Spider-Man, too.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, that depends, he could be very different than other vampires. It doesn't really matter now though.

 

[COMPO]

i mean look at the AS morbius style

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ as?

 

[COMPO]

he was kind of a lab experiment gone wrong wasn't he or was it the same in the comics?

 

[chaseter]

Morbius was a lab experiment gone wrong in TAS I know for sure.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

In the comics, Morbius basically experimented with bats as well as electroshock therapy because of a blood disease he had.

 

[Grievous]

I would say I would like to see Hobgoblin but we have already had too much Goblin and I'm kinda sick of it. Now Mysterio would be a cool villian to have for the 4th film.

 

[Amon]

Yeah, I'd like Mysterio for the fourth. But The Lizard has to happen sometime, and I'm all for that, too. There's so many great villains that we could get in Spider-Man 4. I think it'll be hard for me to be disappointed in that aspect.

BTW, does anyone know how many posts you need to have before you can have an avatar? Thanks! t: