Logan LOGAN - Early Reactions and Reviews Thread

John Campea said it best, Marvel would never have given us a film like Deadpool and they'd have never given us a film as brave as Logan. I don't think the franchise would be any better off with Disney.
 
I now firmly believe we'll get an R-rated X-Force
 
I now firmly believe we'll get an R-rated X-Force

the success of deadpool pretty much assured that.very good chance any film with deadpool will be r rated.if say forbes is right in their prediction and logan does 180 million domesticly and 550 million WW that is also proof fox can make money on r rated film that is darker and more serious than deadpool although if reynolds gets his way and the deadpool writers end up writing X-force film then it may have similar tone that deadpool has going by what the writers siad but that's just speculation for now.after you had big success with r rated deadpool if it ainet broken you don't try to fix it.Deadpool 2 may give us first taste to how X-force would work with cable and domino.and how they interact with deadpool.
 
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:mrk::mrk::mrk: That would be great.

As Rob Liefeld said, FOX could own the R-rated corner of the comicbook/superhero market.

Because with the massive praise LOGAN is getting, there's not reason to think it won't be a financial success too. FOX has a hit on their hands with LOGAN and DEADPOOL as R-rated films. We know DEADPOOL 2 & 3 will be as well; so let's hope FOX gives the go ahead on an R-rated X-FORCE.

Keep the X-Men at PG-13. It's worked for them, no reason to change it (X2 & Apocalypse pushed that rating thanks to Wolverine's handy work :D).
 
Yes, this movie isn't even out and fans haven't seen it, yet it's already being used as a battle cry to reboot the franchise and give it to Marvel (ugh, as if Marvel would ever make something like DOFP, Deadpool, Legion, or Logan?) or others just want to wipe it all out.

I can't help but wonder if the main X-Men team series would work better at Marvel. Characterisation would be far better for some of the key members (Storm, Cyclops, etc) who have until now been poorly fleshed out. The Fox/Singer approach of picking only two or three people to develop and letting the rest be non-entities doesn't really serve a TEAM of heroes very well.

The thought of such a reboot seems more relevant now that Logan ends the franchise with such finality. You do realise what Xavier is responsible for in Logan, right?

To paraphrase the trailer, take a moment. For fans this what you have always wanted.

Honestly, I'm not sure if it's what I wanted. With these films, I always have to try to find the things I like, and try to justify their decisions so I feel better about the rest of the stuff that I didn't like. There's a 'not quite' feeling about it all at times. We get the feeling the next film will be the one to finally bring what we want, and it never is. It's been 17 years of teasing us.

Logan just feels like something you do when you are ending the franchise for good.

For the record, I do think the franchise needs fresh blood in the director's chair and behind the screenwriter's pen too in regards to Supernova. But as a whole, the franchise is really flourishing at the moment and showing a far greater use of storytelling diversity than Marvel and DC. That is something to take a moment for, indeed. Especially since Logan seems to be a more standalone affair.

I don't know if it's flourishing, it seems to lurch along with no certainty or consistency.

Singer's approach is a bit dated and, sadly, there are classic characters he just isn't interested in or doesn't 'get' (or that's how it seems). :csad:
 
@X-Maniac Storm was pretty good character in X2. Along with Nightcrawler, Iceman, Rogue, Pyro, and Logan. That movie freshed out way more than two or three characters. Get out of here.
 
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@X-Maniac Storm was pretty good character in X2. Along with Nightcrawler, Iceman, Rogue, Pyro, and Logan. That movie freshed out way more than two or three characters. Get out of here.

X2 was 14 years ago!

Also, why can't that movie's better spread of characterisation be repeated? Why has it only happened once? :csad:
 
I can't help but wonder if the main X-Men team series would work better at Marvel. Characterisation would be far better for some of the key members (Storm, Cyclops, etc) who have until now been poorly fleshed out. The Fox/Singer approach of picking only two or three people to develop and letting the rest be non-entities doesn't really serve a TEAM of heroes very well.

The thought of such a reboot seems more relevant now that Logan ends the franchise with such finality. You do realise what Xavier is responsible for in Logan, right?

I've stayed away from spoilers, but I can imagine it has something to do with Logan's own arc in OML. Even so, this is mostly innuendo, and I'll wait to see how the movie handles it.

As for characterization, I agree to a point, but Deadpool is actually reversing that, and I thought Apocalypse honestly is on that path. I think even though Apocalypse is heavily flawed, it nailed Scott and Jean far better than the OT, and in a new movie that is less busy with other things (ahem, turns an eye toward an overexposed Mystique and a Magneto who needs to take at least a short break), they can absolutely nail the characters. Same with Kodi Smit-McPhee as Nightcrawler. I simply want to see what Shipp is able to do as Storm besides standing there, which yes means another director and/or writer.

My point is we're a long way from the characterization issues of the OT.

Honestly, I'm not sure if it's what I wanted. With these films, I always have to try to find the things I like, and try to justify their decisions so I feel better about the rest of the stuff that I didn't like. There's a 'not quite' feeling about it all at times. We get the feeling the next film will be the one to finally bring what we want, and it never is. It's been 17 years of teasing us.

Logan just feels like something you do when you are ending the franchise for good.



I don't know if it's flourishing, it seems to lurch along with no certainty or consistency.

Singer's approach is a bit dated and, sadly, there are classic characters he just isn't interested in or doesn't 'get' (or that's how it seems). :csad:


I agree Singer's aesthetic look dated in Apocalypse. Maybe it was in DOFP, but the movie was so good it didn't matter. With Apocalypse, he had a weak script and it brought his flaws to the forefront. But Singer is stepping away.

Most of all though I guess I just disagree. I've liked FC and DOFP better than all of the MCU, and Deadpool more than a healthy chunk of it. I have a sneaking hunch Logan will be the best of the bunch. It seems like Logan will be an ending for Wolverine's journey (whatever that means) and Xavier's as well (most likely he'll not survive it). But the franchise doesn't need to end with their older selves.

Maybe most of all though I don't view Marvel as a golden utopia. Doctor Strange was middle of the road, like most of their movies are for me. They never take risks, which is why I liked DOFP and FC so much, and admittedly Deadpool took bigger risks than either. I know Marvel made Ant-Man (which I loathed) and GOTG (which I liked a lot), but they are all made from the same template and in roughly the same style.

I would much rather risk Fox's inconsistencies and get something like an R-rated adult oriented western about Wolverine than see him rebooted and turned into Iron Man's sidekick, because Iron Man is the equivalent of Mickey Mouse to the MCU now. I know that is maybe too cynical, but that is my first impression on Homecoming, and I would rather not have that happen to the mutants.
 
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Yes, this movie isn't even out and fans haven't seen it, yet it's already being used as a battle cry to reboot the franchise and give it to Marvel (ugh, as if Marvel would ever make something like DOFP, Deadpool, Legion, or Logan?) or others just want to wipe it all out.

To paraphrase the trailer, take a moment. For fans this what you have always wanted. Honestly, in the last six years, the only X-Men movie that hasn't been good is Apocalypse, and even that was still "OK" (IMO) and certainly had plenty of stuff X-Men fans have wanted to see on the big screen for decades.

For the record, I do think the franchise needs fresh blood in the director's chair and behind the screenwriter's pen too in regards to Supernova. But as a whole, the franchise is really flourishing at the moment and showing a far greater use of storytelling diversity than Marvel and DC. That is something to take a moment for, indeed. Especially since Logan seems to be a more standalone affair.

Who is saying lets give Deadpool and Wolverine back to Marvel? That in no way is the majority. There will always be some kind of dream that Fox and Marvel will work together more because it's best for both and these are all Marvel characters. Rather fans on either side of the debate want to admit it or not. Actually it's happening right now, we wouldn't have Legion otherwise, same with the other tv show and the rumored new animated series. Fox working with Marvel gives us X-Men fans more.

The issue and backlash with Fox here has always been that if you are an X-Men fan it's been an annoying two decades to see characters like Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Colossus, Jubilee, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Angel, Rogue, Iceman etc not get much respect or focus. That is not a small list of characters and the situation needs to change, there is no excuse anymore. X-Men fans are tired of seeing their favorite characters killed or poorly represented, and if that main series does not pick up on that issue then you're gonna watch Deadpool, X-Force and New Mutants put the main series in the back. After the garbage that was Apolcalypse they only have one more shot with their team before yet another reboot or soft reboot happens.
 
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X2 was 14 years ago!


Might at well be 50 years considering how far things have come.


I would much rather risk Fox's inconsistencies and get something like an R-rated adult oriented western about Wolverine than see him rebooted

I'm sick of Wolverine period

The issue and backlash with Fox here has always been that if you are an X-Men fan it's been an annoying two decades to see characters like Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Colossus, Jubilee, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Rogue, Iceman etc not get much respect or focus. That needs to change, there is no excuse anymore.

There's always next movie :-(
 
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There's always next movie :-(

Been hearing that for decades now haha.

Fox is in great shape with the franchise, but it's sadly not because of the majority of X-Men characters. It's been a great thing that Deadpool, Logan and Legion are so well received and have a different direction then the main series.
 
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A very telling line in Logan is when he sees that X-Men comic: "Maybe a quarter of it happened and not like this."

Ain't that the truth. We've waited and we've waited. Just shows the contempt for the source material...
 
Who is saying lets give Deadpool and Wolverine back to Marvel? That in no way is the majority. There will always be some kind of dream that Fox and Marvel will work together more because it's best for both and these are all Marvel characters. Rather fans on either side of the debate want to admit it or not. Actually it's happening right now, we wouldn't have Legion otherwise, same with the other tv show and the rumored new animated series. Fox working with Marvel gives us X-Men fans more.

The issue and backlash with Fox here has always been that if you are an X-Men fan it's been an annoying two decades to see characters like Cyclops, Storm, Kitty, Colossus, Jubilee, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Angel, Rogue, Iceman etc not get much respect or focus. That is not a small list of side characters and the situation needs to change, there is no excuse anymore. X-Men fans are tired of seeing their favorite characters killed or poorly represented, and if that main series does not pick up on that issue then you're gonna watch Deadpool, X-Force and New Mutants put the main series in the back. After the garbage that was Apolcalypse they only have one more shot with their team before yet another reboot or soft reboot happens.

Legion works because Fox made a deal with Marvel to let them make Legion--more specifically to let NOAH HAWLEY make Legion. It's legal wrangling, but the creative payoff came from a creative television auteur (if there is such a thing), who took time off running an amazing series like Fargo to do an X-Men related series due to Simon Kinberg (who I am not a fan of as a writer) urging him to come over. I guess I just like more creative risk taking. I think to fully develop supporting X-Men characters requires either a television series (which would be conceding far too many box office dollars to ever seriously happen) or giving them solo films. None of The Avengers films have great character development, it's just that you know most of them from other movies that it allows you to fill in the blanks as the plot machinations commence.

My point is that I don't have loyalty to Marvel Studios or Fox. I just want risk taking, which requires letting filmmakers to be bold and creative. Fox inconsistently has supported that, Marvel Studios really has not far beyond James Gunn and Jon Favreau's first Iron Man from what I've seen. So while Marvel Studios may be the legal extension of the overall brand, it does not give them any more authority, and I don't see X-Men as "theirs." I just want good movies that strive for greatness, Marvel Studios never make the gamble for the latter, IMO.

If Marvel Studios was running X-Men films for Fox the same way they are now running Spidey for Sony, there would be no Logan and there would be no Deadpool films, at least not in how they were made. Look at how Spider-Man is now an Avenger-in-training and seems to operate on the same exact sitcom tone that every MCU film has had since Iron Man 2.

I would rather Fox just let other new directors into the X-Men universe who can shine a light on characters that, yes, Singer has ignored. Deadpool did it with Colossus, and I would argue that First Class and by extension DOFP (which Vaughn and Goldman wrote the story for) really elevated Charles and Erik's characters to new heights. Bring on more people to do X-Men movies with new or better developed supporting characters. It does not need to be under the Marvel Studios umbrella to happen.
 
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@X-Maniac Storm was pretty good character in X2. Along with Nightcrawler, Iceman, Rogue, Pyro, and Logan. That movie freshed out way more than two or three characters. Get out of here.

Personally i think all the films have had about the same in terms of how development, but then thats the deal with team movies.
 
Legion works because Fox made a deal with Marvel to let them make Legion--more specifically to let NOAH HAWLEY make Legion. It's legal wrangling, but the creative payoff came from a creative television auteur (if there is such a thing), who took time off running an amazing series like Fargo to do an X-Men related series due to Simon Kinberg (who I am not a fan of as a writer) urging him to come over.

I guess I just like more creative risk taking. I think to fully develop supporting X-Men characters requires either a television series (which would be conceding far too many box office dollars to ever seriously happen) or giving them solo films. None of The Avengers films have great character development, it's just that you know most of them from other movies that it allows you to fill in the blanks as the plot machinations commence.

My point is that I don't have loyalty to Marvel Studios or Fox. I just want risk taking, which requires letting filmmakers to be bold and creative. Fox inconsistently has supported that, Marvel Studios really has not far beyond James Gunn and Jon Favreau's first Iron Man from what I've seen. So while Marvel Studios may be the legal extension of the overall brand, it does not give them any more authority, and I don't see X-Men as "theirs." I just want good movies that strive for greatness, Marvel Studios never make the gamble for the latter, IMO.

If Marvel Studios was running X-Men films for Fox the same way they are now running Spidey for Sony, there would be no Logan and there would be no Deadpool films, at least not in how they were made. Look at how Spider-Man is now an Avenger-in-training and seems to operate on the same exact sitcom tone that every MCU film has had since Iron Man 2.

I would rather Fox just let other new directors into the X-Men universe who can shine a light on characters that, yes, Singer has ignored. Deadpool did it with Colossus, and I would argue that First Class and by extension DOFP (which Vaughn and Goldman wrote the screenplay for) really elevated Charles and Erik's characters to new heights. Bring on more people to do X-Men movies with new or better developed supporting characters. It does not need to be under the Marvel Studios umbrella to happen.

Marvel needs to ok this stuff, it's not that Fox can do anything. Look at even a situation with a minor z list characters such as NTW. Again, it's in the best interest that these two work together. Which they are now. We end up winning in the end.

I also, don't understand why you think the majority of people are asking for this. After Deadpool and with New Mutants, Logan, X-Force on the horizon. They are not. The complaints come from the poor handling of the main series, and that is about it. If the main series understood how to actually handle it's roster and characters in a better way you wouldn't see anyone but studio bias trolls complaining. Instead the anger comes from all directions and many are X-Men fans themselves who want the characters they know and love represented as something more then walking decorations.
 
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John Campea said it best, Marvel would never have given us a film like Deadpool and they'd have never given us a film as brave as Logan. I don't think the franchise would be any better off with Disney.

For selfish reasons I do wish Storm was allowed to be apart of Marvel as well.

I'd love to see her in a Black Panther sequel.
 
Marvel needs to ok this stuff, it's not that Fox can do anything. Look at even a situation with a minor z list characters such as NTW. Again, it's in the best interest that these two work together. Which they are now. We end up winning in the end.

I also, don't understand why you think the majority of people are asking for this. After Deadpool and with New Mutants, Logan, X-Force on the horizon. They are not. The complaints come from the poor handling of the main series, and that is about it.

Marvel Studios legally has this ability, it does not mean they are part of the creative process. Deadpool was the result of Miller, Reynolds, and the screenwriters (plus healthy trust and support from Donner and Kinberg). Logan by all accounts is the baby of Jackman and Mangold.

... Anyway, I am just responding to the mood where several posters were saying they hope Logan is the last one and then that Fox gives the rights back to Marvel who will reboot it. And you are right, with Logan working, and Deadpool 2 and New Mutants right around the corner, this is just silliness.
 
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Its fair to say fox already have plans coming close to development so they won't be talking to marvel anytime soon, maybe in 5 years but maybe not.
 
They are clearly talking to Marvel, just not in the sense where they are handing them off the franchise. Which will not happen.

Too many on hear never thought we would have X-Men tv shows or another animated series because Marvel wouldn't let them. Even bleeding cool has changed their bias stance with the way things are headed.

... Anyway, I am just responding to the mood where several posters were saying they hope Logan is the last one and then that Fox gives the rights back to Marvel who will reboot it. And you are right, with Logan working, and Deadpool 2 and New Mutants right around the corner, this is just silliness.

Pretty much. :up:
 
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... Anyway, I am just responding to the mood where several posters were saying they hope Logan is the last one and then that Fox gives the rights back to Marvel who will reboot it. And you are right, with Logan working, and Deadpool 2 and New Mutants right around the corner, this is just silliness.

Yeah its not happening, fox are gonna play with the series for at least another 10 years by themselves with various films.

Lets be honest its not all about the main X-Men series anymore, they also have several other films like new mutants, gambit ect ect that will keep the series going for quite a few years and maybe even longer.

And as for the people that think it should end with Logan... well thats clearly not the plan so its up to you whether you see these other movies that FOX are developing or not because they are gonna do it either way and all we can really do is wait and see where it goes.
 

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