Logan LOGAN - Early Reactions and Reviews Thread

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Legion works because Fox made a deal with Marvel to let them make Legion--more specifically to let NOAH HAWLEY make Legion. It's legal wrangling, but the creative payoff came from a creative television auteur (if there is such a thing), who took time off running an amazing series like Fargo to do an X-Men related series due to Simon Kinberg (who I am not a fan of as a writer) urging him to come over. I guess I just like more creative risk taking. I think to fully develop supporting X-Men characters requires either a television series (which would be conceding far too many box office dollars to ever seriously happen) or giving them solo films. None of The Avengers films have great character development, it's just that you know most of them from other movies that it allows you to fill in the blanks as the plot machinations commence.

My point is that I don't have loyalty to Marvel Studios or Fox. I just want risk taking, which requires letting filmmakers to be bold and creative. Fox inconsistently has supported that, Marvel Studios really has not far beyond James Gunn and Jon Favreau's first Iron Man from what I've seen. So while Marvel Studios may be the legal extension of the overall brand, it does not give them any more authority, and I don't see X-Men as "theirs." I just want good movies that strive for greatness, Marvel Studios never make the gamble for the latter, IMO.

If Marvel Studios was running X-Men films for Fox the same way they are now running Spidey for Sony, there would be no Logan and there would be no Deadpool films, at least not in how they were made. Look at how Spider-Man is now an Avenger-in-training and seems to operate on the same exact sitcom tone that every MCU film has had since Iron Man 2.

I would rather Fox just let other new directors into the X-Men universe who can shine a light on characters that, yes, Singer has ignored. Deadpool did it with Colossus, and I would argue that First Class and by extension DOFP (which Vaughn and Goldman wrote the story for) really elevated Charles and Erik's characters to new heights. Bring on more people to do X-Men movies with new or better developed supporting characters. It does not need to be under the Marvel Studios umbrella to happen.

This is a great post, echoes my thoughts exactly.

 

[def28]

I love how some of you act like Spider-Man has been released. If ya can't handle Spider-Man being an Avenger then I'm shocked you can stand Mystique being an X-Men and Cyclops not being a true leader for countless films.

Civil War, Winter Soldier, Iron Man, Iron Man 3, GOTG and Avengers all had very clear visions from their creative teams and different tones. Acing like all of those films are IM2 tone or level of quality is ridiculous. None of you know how Marvel would work in the X-Men if something ever did go down. GOTG alone helped paved the way for other studios to green light lesser known properties and it wasn't cause it felt unoriginal and like every other marvel movie.

The bias sadly goes both ways here, and will continue to. The denial that some try to say the X-Men are not Marvel characters is just sad. The X-Men will always be Marvel characters, that's not gonna change. That's why that Marvel logo is there, will continue to and Fox needs to work with Marvel so we can have more merch, shows and properties.

Just be stoked we have so many good films that are different from one another on the Marvel side of things as a whole. That's how the majority of audiences see it. Good films at Fox and Marvel Studios? There's no issue I can see. Guess we are a just a spoiled gen.

 

[kguillou]

Lol "cliche ridden script and familiar narrative" were the LEAST of Origins' problems imo.

 

[psyonic]

Not sure if it's been posted yet, because I don't want to sift through the last few pages but apparently they've updated the run time of the movie (3 minutes) and it's speculated there will be a post credit scene now?

 

[Stan Lee]

Cyclops not being a true leader for countless films.

Well he wasn't the true leader of the team until decades after the team's debut. He was Deputy or Co-leader for the vast majority of his publication history, with Xavier and Storm being the true leaders of the team. Unless you count X-Factor where he was true leader of a team, but it isn't the X-Men.

 

[X-Maniac]

And as for the people that think it should end with Logan... well thats clearly not the plan so its up to you whether you see these other movies that FOX are developing or not because they are gonna do it either way and all we can really do is wait and see where it goes.

No one here is saying it should end with Logan.

That's what the film reviewers are saying/believing, because Logan has such finality that they really see it as The End.

That's part of the problem with the Logan story. It's shown as The End of Everyone, and yet we know there are other films in the pipeline.

 

[The Batman]

Whoever mentioned this before is right: Fox's approach to the team films have not been ideal. Yeah, they've done good with spin off's and some solo characters, but they haven't, IMO, had a film that's a truly definitive example of the X-Men as a team. Which is a problem considering that the team films are the centerpiece of the whole franchise.

Say whatever you want about the MCU, they've done team dynamics better than anyone. It's not surprising that some would still want the rights to go back to Marvel.

 

[Stan Lee]

Half of the X-Men films don't even have a real team.

 

[def28]

Whoever mentioned this before is right: Fox's approach to the team films have not been ideal. Yeah, they've done good with spin off's and some solo characters, but they haven't, IMO, had a film that's a truly definitive example of the X-Men as a team. Which is a problem considering that the team films are the centerpiece of the whole franchise.

Say whatever you want about the MCU, they've done team dynamics better than anyone.

Well he wasn't the true leader of the team until decades after the team's debut. He was Deputy or Co-leader for the vast majority of his publication history, with Xavier and Storm being the true leaders of the team. Unless you count X-Factor where he was true leader of a team, but it isn't the X-Men.

Give me a break with that excuse. Cyclops obviously should be leading the X-Men as a team and in battle . That should have done so in X2 and 3. There is more to the character then just being pushed to the side or murdered for Logan and Prof X to have screen time.

It should not have took two decades of X-Men films to realize he should be a focus and is an essential crucial leader.

 

[marvelrobbins]

jesus.instead of letting soe of us enjoy Hugh Jackman's final film as wolverine,possibly Patrick stewart's final film as xavier-due to fact fox's plans for core X-Men is for in past with spin-offs in present-an r rated wolverine film and be happy Logan is getting great reviews instead using this to attack Singer and rest of team and call for X-men to be handed over to disney.

Logan was made to end jackman's run.we will see for how logan Logan remains canon with cable in deadpool and X-force.Xavier will still be popping up in past X-Men set films as well as new mutants.

The best reviewed X film prior to logan was days of future past and it's so funny how some try to act like singer and Kinberg had nothing to do with it and try to act it was all vaughn and goldman even though their involement in finished film solely was consulting with kinberg as he devolped story.Singer actully devolped story for first class and produced film but some don't want to give him any credit.it was him and kinberg who were responable for getting vaughn to direct.

Singer,Donner,and Kinberg are all responable for helping get legion on tv.Singer and donner were ones pushing fox to expand X-Men universe to tv and Kinberg helped get noah hawley for legion.Donner and Kinberg helped fight to get deadpool made.

If there ever is full on reboot i would prefer fox did it themselves.Spider-man Homecoming is exhit a in why i don't ever want X-Men in MCU inless a full on MCU reboot happens.I am just as sick of stark as some are about wolverine.Stark proving spider-man costume and equipment?MCU since iron man 2 with some exceptions rarely in films is like a sitcom.X-Men isn't a sitcom.

Yes Singer is directing pilot for other tv show but he's very unlikely to be directing supernova.now Kinberg defently wouldn't be my choice to take over as director.

My three favorate comic book properties have always been 1:X-Men 2:Spider-man and 3:Batman but now X-Men is about only adoptians that i can enjoy now.WB is pure clusterf-ck and I don't like what they are doing with Spider-man.

we now have 6 of x related films at 805 or high at RT

X-Men-81%
Deadpool-84%
X2 and first Class-86%
DOFP-91%
Logan-for now at 97%

that is pretty good for studio and series some are always bashing.

 

[def28]

How have the reactions been regarding [BLACKOUT]X-24?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[The Batman]

Half of the X-Men films don't even have a real team.

You know you're only helping my point, right?

jesus.instead of letting soe of us enjoy Hugh Jackman's final film as wolverine,possibly Patrick stewart's final film as xavier-

1. No one's stopping you from doing anything.

2. The film hasn't even come out.

 

[Ivan Drago]

How have the reactions been regarding [BLACKOUT]X-24?[/BLACKOUT]

From what I've read it seems to work very well in the movie. Some have made comparisons to Terminator.

 

[def28]

From what I've read it seems to work very well in the movie. Some have made comparisons to Terminator.

Nice, glad to hear it. That was one of the few things I was worried about.

 

[2kt09]

From what I've read it seems to work very well in the movie. Some have made comparisons to Terminator.

Is it peculiar getting another homage to Terminator?
Feels like X-Force or Cable's future is bound to make more references.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Review from one of the most renowned German website.

4.5/5

http://www.moviejones.de/kritiken/logan-the-wolverine-kritik-4439.html

wow wow wow

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yes. Well said. They should take this opportunity to start fresh. Get some new voices in. Try to get Vaughan back who worked miracles in such a small time frame.

You lost all credibility when you said they should start fresh by getting Vaughn back LOL

Anyways glad Logan is currently at 97%. Let's get that Certified Fresh rating!

 

[TheVileOne]

Legion works because Fox made a deal with Marvel to let them make Legion--more specifically to let NOAH HAWLEY make Legion. It's legal wrangling, but the creative payoff came from a creative television auteur (if there is such a thing), who took time off running an amazing series like Fargo to do an X-Men related series due to Simon Kinberg (who I am not a fan of as a writer) urging him to come over. I guess I just like more creative risk taking. I think to fully develop supporting X-Men characters requires either a television series (which would be conceding far too many box office dollars to ever seriously happen) or giving them solo films. None of The Avengers films have great character development, it's just that you know most of them from other movies that it allows you to fill in the blanks as the plot machinations commence.

My point is that I don't have loyalty to Marvel Studios or Fox. I just want risk taking, which requires letting filmmakers to be bold and creative. Fox inconsistently has supported that, Marvel Studios really has not far beyond James Gunn and Jon Favreau's first Iron Man from what I've seen. So while Marvel Studios may be the legal extension of the overall brand, it does not give them any more authority, and I don't see X-Men as "theirs." I just want good movies that strive for greatness, Marvel Studios never make the gamble for the latter, IMO.

If Marvel Studios was running X-Men films for Fox the same way they are now running Spidey for Sony, there would be no Logan and there would be no Deadpool films, at least not in how they were made. Look at how Spider-Man is now an Avenger-in-training and seems to operate on the same exact sitcom tone that every MCU film has had since Iron Man 2.

I would rather Fox just let other new directors into the X-Men universe who can shine a light on characters that, yes, Singer has ignored. Deadpool did it with Colossus, and I would argue that First Class and by extension DOFP (which Vaughn and Goldman wrote the story for) really elevated Charles and Erik's characters to new heights. Bring on more people to do X-Men movies with new or better developed supporting characters. It does not need to be under the Marvel Studios umbrella to happen.

You say all that but look at the Netflix shows, which are nothing at all like the movies. They are very dark, disturbing, bloody, graphic, psychological and and unnerving. It seems to me if you want the riskier more edgier content for the Marvel Universe, Netflix has a fix for that.

Let's also not forget just how laborious it was for Deadpool to actually happen the way it did. Deadpool was put on the backburner for years and it basically took Tom Rothman getting ousted and the concept reel getting leaked for it to finally happen.

 

[Ivan Drago]

To be fair though, Marvel Studios would never make an R rated movie. The MCU, understandingly so, needs to appeal to a wide audience. That's just a fact.

The Netflix shows are nice but their not movies.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Tom Rothman is Sony's problem now, and I can only imagine what horrors he has planned for future Spider-Man endeavours post-Homecoming.

 

[Frankeh]

Give me a break with that excuse.

It is not even the first time he uses that excuse for a criticism of the films. Its really simple. Cyclops is instantly associated with leader of the X-Men people aren't crazy for expecting that.

 

[TheVileOne]

To be fair though, Marvel Studios would never make an R rated movie. The MCU, understandingly so, needs to appeal to a wide audience. That's just a fact.

The Netflix shows are nice but their not movies.

Not everything has to be a movie. Netflix shows were doing the risk-taking content thing two years before Legion ever surfaced.

Why does Marvel Studios have to do an R-rated movie either? Logan is really a standalone film. Is Fox going to let the next X-Men director make a $175-$200 million movie that is R-rated? Doubtful. And I'm not sure an X-Men movie should be R-rated. A comic book movie doesn't have to be R-rated to tell a great story. I think Logan is fine by itself. I find Deadpool brilliant. But I also don't think superhero stories should lean toward R-rated, edgy adult fare just for the sake of doing so.

I think part of doing that is why Man of Steel and Batman v Superman were so dreadful. Or rather, I like Patton Oswalt's philosophy. The movies should be dark and gritty if the characters are.

IMHO, modern superhero stories started going wrong when they all tried to be like Frank Miller or Watchmen and they all wanted to tell these really adult, violent and provocative stories that it became desensitizing. I'm not saying it should never be done that way, but there has to be a balance.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I really enjoy the MCU. It's just nice to have some variety in the genre, and Fox is the only studio right now willing to make R rated comicbook movies.

 

[2kt09]

A comic book movie doesn't have to be R-rated to tell a great story. I think Logan is fine by itself. I find Deadpool different. But I also don't think superhero stories should lean toward R-rated, edgy adult fare just for the sake of doing so.

Oh trust me. It has nothing to do with being edgy. As soon as a cbm gets an R-rating I'm there for the thrill of what those filmmakers get to actually do outside of the obvious age restricted markers.

Fox is the only studio right now willing to make R rated comicbook movies.

I legit believed Kick-Ass was by Fox.

 

[TheVileOne]

I really enjoy the MCU. It's just nice to have some variety in the genre, and Fox is the only studio right now willing to make R rated comicbook movies.

I'm not sure why that in and of itself is worthy of praise. Not all comic book stories are worthy of an R-rating.

Also they aren't the only one. The Weinstein Company released Sin City: A Dame to Kill for. That was in 2014. Lionsgate released Dredd and the first Kick-Ass movie. Dredd was great, but it was not successful either. And Lionsgate did not do a great job with Dredd.