Logan LOGAN - Early Reactions and Reviews Thread

[Frankeh]

Yeah, let's not pretend that Cyclops wasn't being a leader in GLMK.

At the end of the story, The X-Men confront Stryker and get into an argument with him on live TV. Guess who's doing most of the speaking and defending the mutant race? Answer: Cyclops.

At the end of the story, Xavier pretty much gives up on his own ideals. Guess who's the one who gets him to change his mind? Answer: Cyclops.

If anything, comparing GLMK to X2 just further highlights how Cyclops gets the shaft in these movies.

That Stan Lee user always acts like he's schooling people on comics.

 

[Samuron]

If anything, comparing GLMK to X2 just further highlights how Cyclops gets the shaft in these movies.

 

[Stan Lee]

Yeah, let's not pretend that Cyclops wasn't being a leader in GLMK.

At the end of the story, The X-Men confront Stryker and get into an argument with him on live TV. Guess who's doing most of the speaking and defending the mutant race? Answer: Cyclops.

At the end of the story, Xavier pretty much gives up on his own ideals. Guess who's the one who gets him to change his mind? Answer: Cyclops.

If anything, comparing GLMK to X2 just further highlights how Cyclops gets the shaft in these movies.

Okay, I'll give you that.

 

[DACrowe]

Production weekly lists the alternative title for X-Men Supernova as "Dark Phoenix" so we can guess its probably gonna be dark phoenix related



Can't really say that for sure since we don't know what his involvement with the franchise is at the moment since no one would have guessed he would have been directing a X-Men tv show pilot for FOX so there is much more going on behind the scenes then we know of.

Whoops (in regards to Dark Phoenix). For once, I actually think this shouldn't be a solitary, lone cinematic experience. I tend to push against breaking stories up, but I think you could do a whole movie about the X-Men in space dealing with the Shi'Ar before hitting the Dark Phoenix button. It would give the characters more time to adjust to cosmic storylines without having to rush plot of "and now they want to kill Jean." Plus, I feel like the new cast needs a full on adventure together before they start getting divided by the Phoenix problem.

Oh well, never mind. Really, really hope someone else is rewriting Kinberg's draft now and directing it. This is the last chance to do this story justice on screen.

 

[X-Maniac]

Whoops (in regards to Dark Phoenix). For once, I actually think this shouldn't be a solitary, lone cinematic experience. I tend to push against breaking stories up, but I think you could do a whole movie about the X-Men in space dealing with the Shi'Ar before hitting the Dark Phoenix button. It would give the characters more time to adjust to cosmic storylines without having to rush plot of "and now they want to kill Jean." Plus, I feel like the new cast needs a full on adventure together before they start getting divided by the Phoenix problem.

Oh well, never mind. Really, really hope someone else is rewriting Kinberg's draft now and directing it. This is the last chance to do this story justice on screen.

Can you see now why I said i was worried? lol

 

[Ivan Drago]

It's too early for the phoenix saga. Jean and Scott were barely established in Apocalypse. We need to get to know these characters more.

Although it would be kind of sad if Kinberg fricked up the phoenix saga twice.

 

[marvelrobbins]

as far as supernova/dark phoenix goes they may treat it as jean stoping apocalypse was equilvent of saving universe in 616.and now they are off to
doing the dark part.of course supernova may simply be an X-men going into
space film too.

 

[Stan Lee]

And that was the one where Singer tried to duplicate Marvel to lesser effect.

I remember reading an interview months prior to the film's release that trying to emulate The Avengers would be a bad idea.

 

[Stan Lee]

It's too early for the phoenix saga. Jean and Scott were barely established in Apocalypse. We need to get to know these characters more.

Although it would be kind of sad if Kinberg fricked up the phoenix saga twice.

If it's Dark Phoenix Saga then I would agree. But Phoenix Saga? That happened very early in Chris Claremont's run before Jean even got a backstory. Jean in Apocalypse is actually more developed than Silver Age Jean was.

 

[def28]

And he wasn't killed off for Logan and Prof X. It's because the actor was working on Superman Returns and Rothman wanted to rush X3 out so he had him killed.

So that means the option of not killing him was never there or that recasting couldn't have taken place? At least Xavier got a stinger.Scott was so unimportant to the studio that nobody thought it was needed to actually respect arguably the most crucial member of the X-Men.

Why you continue to defend some of the most obviously worst decisions in this franchise is beyond me.

 

[X-Maniac]

I remember reading an interview months prior to the film's release that trying to emulate The Avengers would be a bad idea.

XM:A doesn't feel like Avengers or a Marvel production in any way.

Whatever Singer was trying to do, there are no obvious Avengers influences in there.

Singer doesn't (or can't) do big teamwork/ensemble scenes, he splits the characters up and does duels instead. He likes multiple characters so he has something to cut to, to keep the pacing interesting, not because he can bring them all together in one shot.

 

[Erzengel]

Whoops (in regards to Dark Phoenix). For once, I actually think this shouldn't be a solitary, lone cinematic experience. I tend to push against breaking stories up, but I think you could do a whole movie about the X-Men in space dealing with the Shi'Ar before hitting the Dark Phoenix button. It would give the characters more time to adjust to cosmic storylines without having to rush plot of "and now they want to kill Jean." Plus, I feel like the new cast needs a full on adventure together before they start getting divided by the Phoenix problem.

Oh well, never mind. Really, really hope someone else is rewriting Kinberg's draft now and directing it. This is the last chance to do this story justice on screen.

I have to agree that having Jean exhibiting Phoenix powers in Apocalypse doesn't warrant a Dark Phoenix movie.

Them all the mall and fighting Apocalypse at least to me doesn't have them as a family as much as just a team.

That's what makes Dark Phoenix saga so moving in the comics, it's not a teammate they have to take down and each X-Man going up against Jean is suppose to be heartbreaking.

 

[Erzengel]

Singer doesn't (or can't) do big teamwork/ensemble scenes, he splits the characters up and does duels instead. He likes multiple characters so he has something to cut to, to keep the pacing interesting, not because he can bring them all together in one shot.

The last battle scene in Apocalypse is a clear example of that. It seemed they focused 10 minutes on Jean using her Phoenix power and slowly walking towards Apocalypse.

 

[Stan Lee]

So that means the option of not killing him was never there or that recasting couldn't have taken place? At least Xavier got a stinger.Scott was so unimportant to the studio that nobody thought it was needed to actually respect arguably the most crucial member of the X-Men.

Why you continue to defend some of the most obviously worst decisions in this franchise is beyond me.

Did it sound like I was defending that?

 

[def28]

Did it sound like I was defending that?

Yes. You're acting like it needed to happen.And there are countless other posts by you as well acting like it was ok to toss Scott to the side for other characters. One on this page.

 

[X-Maniac]

So that means the option of not killing him was never there or that recasting couldn't have taken place? At least Xavier got a stinger.Scott was so unimportant to the studio that nobody thought it was needed to actually respect arguably the most crucial member of the X-Men.

Why you continue to defend some of the most obviously worst decisions in this franchise is beyond me.

The studio clearly finds Wolverine more interesting than Cyclops. That's always been the case.

They also liked the dramatic tensions of a love triangle.

Marsden was indeed largely unavailable during the production period of X3, and they made a horrid decision to kill him off.

Alternatively, he could have been shown to leave the team/mansion (as he did in the comics, when he sailed off with Leigh Forrester), but it leaves question marks hanging over the story (where is he, why doesn't he come back, why can't Xavier locate him to come back, etc)...

I dunno, I'm so over what they do with these characters. Mystique leading, Storm worshipping Mystique, it's all a hot mess...

 

[Samuron]

That's what makes Dark Phoenix saga so moving in the comics, it's not a teammate they have to take down and each X-Man going up against Jean is suppose to be heartbreaking.

"As they make their last stand, they find themselves remembering the day they first met - so long ago, so far away.

They remember all that's happened since - good times and bad -

and dream of what might have been."

 

[Stan Lee]

Yes. You're acting like it needed to happen.

No. All I was saying was that Logan and Chuck had nothing to do with it.

 

[def28]

No. All I was saying was that Logan Chuck had nothing to do with it.

And you're wrong on that. They took priority in the series, not Scott. Still do. He was never important enough to matter to the studio.

 

[Stan Lee]

The studio clearly finds Wolverine more interesting than Cyclops. That's always been the case.

It's not the studio but rather Singer.

“The reason I ask is are some aspects of this film things that could not be done at the time? Telling Scott and Jean’s story is a thing you’re doing now but that you weren’t able to do at the time.

SINGER: I wouldn’t have thought to do it at the time. I really was focused on the X-Men people knew mostly from the animated series, I kind of used that as my template to be honest. I took the characters that were most popular from that series and I used those as my main primary characters.”

http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men-apocalypse-interview/

 

[def28]

The studio was more then fine with him being killed without much of anything, without Singer in control.

At least Singer would not have killed him off.

 

[The Batman]

The studio clearly finds Wolverine more interesting than Cyclops. That's always been the case.

They also liked the dramatic tensions of a love triangle.

They're not interested in a love triangle. They're interested in the Logan/Jean relationship. Scott was essentially the romantic false lead.

 

[def28]

Pretty much.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's not the studio but rather Singer.



http://collider.com/bryan-singer-x-men-apocalypse-interview/

Singer admitted he used the more popular characters when he devolped first X-Men.and i hate to break it to people who want to rewrite history but even before singer came on the plan was always to use wolverine heavily.and wolverine is the most popular character.he was first X-man to get his own limited series and solo series.

There clearly was effort by singer to make up for this in apocalypse.

after logan untill they recast or reboot fully there isn't going to be anymore
wolverine in films.

 

[def28]

Since when was Xavier selling more action figures then Cyclops in the 90s?

He was more popular back then as opposed to now. And alot of that has to do with where the films put the focus. Audiences who don't read X-Men never saw him as important and have nothing else to really show otherwise.