Justice League Lounge of Justice - Part 88

[ArmsHeldOut]

Just finished Doom Patrol.

Man, that last episode... I... I... I don't even know.

I don't know how I feel about the last episode, but I think I love it as much as the rest of the season.

Just starting. Loving it so far...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thoughts on two consecutive shared DC cinematic universes.

 

[Micromind]

Ya you have at least 3 popular actors established already and they're all the first incarnation (like the cinematic Keaton, Carter, Reeves etc), why'd you finish them off and cast new ones, get compared and hated on initially, AND you still don't know if the newbies will have success as good as the previous 3?

It's such a low risk play if they stick with the established 3 characters, e.g. the actress/director that made the 1st ever WW and beloved superheroine film, the actor that stunned the world and made the joke character into a billion dollar franchise etc.....team them up with hopefully the successful Pattinson, new Batgirl, Supergirl etc....

IDW if it's true or not, but WW84 allegedly has some ramification to the universe...maybe that could be their play to ensure the pathway to their Endgame in 5-10 years??

The general audience really really don't give a F about continuity, Marvel changed Hulk, who cared? Get JJ to make a billion dollar Superman movie, everyone will be like F Cavill and let's team him up with RP and Gal etc....

X-men did fine they didn't need to recast Hugh Jackman to align the universe etc...

I haven't read the source but I guess this is from Mark Hughes? He still added the "everything's evolving" line to keep the door open and prevent a blow up Umberto style

Lol, Mark Hughes is not the most reliable person to get "insider info" or DC scoops. Most of the time he passes on his opinions as the direction WB are taking now for DC movies.

James Gunn's "The Suicide Squad", is not a reboot, "Birds of Prey" is also set in same DCEU continuity (there's even a cameo by Letoker's double !), these movies have direct connection to Batman-mythology.


Also, what happens if Matt Reeves "The Batman" is not as successful as other DCEU movies ? Form what I can tell, James Gunn's movie will be successful, same with Aquaman sequel, so it makes no sense to throw-away what's working despite the teething troubles for what may not work.

I think Supergirl movie (if that happens, as I'm still not sure about it) will be in DCEU and Matt Reeves' Batman trilogy will be set entirely in pre-MoS period when Superheroes were not well known.

 

[Micromind]

Nobody complained when Edward Norton was replaced by Mark Ruffalo as Hulk, same for Don Cheadle replacing Terrence Howard for Rhodey. And 2 different actors play Howard Stark. Or two different actors playing Prof.Xavier /Magneto in same continuity.

Also, Joel Schumacher's Batman featured two different actors playing Batman in same continuity, did he explain why Batman looked different ? No.

Just get Pattinson as Batman in future teamup movie. Use makeup to make him look bit older. It can't be that difficult to make him look 10 years older.

 

[-Arya-]

Swamp Thing: So far, so good!

Between this and the Pattinson confirmation, it's been a good day to be a DC fan.

It’s been a good *year* to be a DC fan. Best in recent memory.

 

[Tra-El]

Only bummer for me is that I think Henry Cavill would've looked more appropriate as Supes next to Battinson than he did to Batfleck. They're closer in height and age and would seem more like peers/equals. Oh well.

Henry was the perfect casting choice for the times but was the casualty of a studios aimless ambition to withstand the Avengers landscape. It's ironic that after all the dust settled, they realized going back to square one is what works best for them. Henry's Superman could have been salvaged with a proper MoS2. He needed that and I think we'd be in a completely different situation if they just fixed Man of Steel's problems and opened that world up through Superman first.

But like they always say: Hindsight is always 20/20. They have learned their lesson and it took pieces of a wasted foundation falling.

 

[STARMAN]

Someone on twitter mentioned McQuarrie in response to Vaughn no longer in talks for MOS 2 and McQuarrie tweeted "They never asked. They never will."

 

[Micromind]

Hamada basically wants to avoid green-lighting big budget DC movies, apart from Aquaman sequel.

 

[Tra-El]

Someone on twitter mentioned McQuarrie in response to Vaughn no longer in talks for MOS 2 and McQuarrie tweeted "They never asked. They never will."

Wow. ****ing sad. The Superman drought is officially among unless someone like Patty or Sandberg want a shot and that's reaching. That or a miracle happens, they land J.J and he CHOOSES to do it.


Woof.

 

[Micromind]

JL's massive failure has affected Superman the most.

 

[STARMAN]

Wow. ****ing sad. The Superman drought is officially among unless someone like Patty or Sandberg want a shot and that's reaching. That or a miracle happens, they land J.J and he CHOOSES to do it.


Woof.

I know. I feel like Abrams is our best hope for a solo film or Superman is going to remain in limbo for a while with his future relying on possible cameos. That's why I'm pushing for Abrams. I like the fit overall and he can get Superman greenlit with a snap of the finger.

 

[Micromind]

When regular ideas don't work, it's time to use some innovative ideas, just like Marvel did Thor Ragnarok, and we got team-up movie of Thor and Hulk (Thor TDW and TIH were not exactly very "successful movies"), it would be interesting to see a Superman and Flash team-up movie, both properties seem stuck at the moment.

It would also generate some renewed interest in the DCEU.

 

[Tra-El]

I know. I feel like Abrams is our best hope for a solo film or Superman is going to remain in limbo for a while with his future relying on possible cameos. That's why I'm pushing for Abrams. I like the fit overall and he can get Superman greenlit with a snap of the finger.

Agreed. I think the BEST CASE scenerio for any shining light regarding Superman, and this is probably asking a lot at this point, is cameos and even that is tricky for a studio who seems to operate on two left feet.

 

[Tra-El]

When regular ideas don't work, it's time to use some innovative ideas, just like Marvel did Thor Ragnarok, and we got team-up movie of Thor and Hulk (Thor TDW and TIH were not exactly very "successful movies"), it would be interesting to see a Superman and Flash team-up movie, both properties seem stuck at the moment.

It would also generate some renewed interest in the DCEU.

I was just talking to my buddy at work about this on Friday water cooler talk. I also agree with this. Ragnarok jumps out at me. The Thor character was stale, in limbo and nobody asked for any of it until a fresh coat of paint came pouring down. Superman is in need of the same exact treatment. Sadly, it seems Supes is going more of the ways of Hulk than Thor.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Once JJ is over and done with Episode 9 post and press, he’s gonna be able to do anything he wants.

Hopefully saving Superman is something he’d be interested in.

 

[STARMAN]

You got all those companies bidding for Abrams and Bad Robot productions. When that deal is finally made we'll see if Abrams is truly an option.

 

[-Arya-]

My ideal Superman movie would have Spielberg directing but it’s a pipe dream. I’d be fine with JJ.

 

[Da-Scribe]

That sounds more complicated to me, lol.

There shouldn't have to be an in-story reason Batman is young, imo. He's just young in this version, simple as that. It's gonna CLEARLY be a different Batman, because Matt Reeves ain't Zack Snyder by a long shot. People aren't gonna be going, "why isn't he Ben Affleck's age?" The audience isn't as stupid as people like to let on. It's just a different Batman. No need over-complicate it with plot shenanigans to unnecessarily explain the obvious. They're not trying to tie the two Jokers together, after all, and those will be going at the same time. Batfleck's done. Cut the ties and move on.

The separate universes thing takes zero stretching or complications to achieve. Just don't talk about the other franchises in your films. Boom, done.

I just think it’s silly to start a new universe years from now with this new Batman. Like they already have a universe that’s finally proving successful on all fronts. Just blend him in should his take be successful as well. Seems dumb to wait for the wildly successful films they have to run their courses.

 

[MbJ]

I'll use my "They kept Judi Dench as M after rebooting James Bond" example from another thread as well. Even if they're abandoning/ignoring a lot of the initial elements or actors from the initial few DCEU movies, that doesn't necessarily mean they have to recast the characters that were working.

 

[Enriquespy]

So I finally got all available trophies on this forum.

Ladies.

 

[MbJ]

Gonna check out When They See Us today. Been hearing good things.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

What an awful day

King of the Monsters is under-performing big time at the BO

&

there's that damn Champions League final between Liverpool & Tottenham

 

[The Guard]

That sounds more complicated to me, lol.

There shouldn't have to be an in-story reason Batman is young, imo. He's just young in this version, simple as that. It's gonna CLEARLY be a different Batman, because Matt Reeves ain't Zack Snyder by a long shot. People aren't gonna be going, "why isn't he Ben Affleck's age?" The audience isn't as stupid as people like to let on. It's just a different Batman. No need over-complicate it with plot shenanigans to unnecessarily explain the obvious. They're not trying to tie the two Jokers together, after all, and those will be going at the same time. Batfleck's done. Cut the ties and move on.

The separate universes thing takes zero stretching or complications to achieve. Just don't talk about the other franchises in your films. Boom, done.

Yeah, it's really not that complicated. Although I don't see why the same actor who stars in solo Batfilms (which may not be solo Batfilms) couldn't also just play an older version of Bruce/Batman if they wanted to go that route in the future. Especially if the trajectory of the character involves him mentoring Robin, Batgirl, etc.

By the time a proposed trilogy is over, Pattinson will be over 40. Doesn't mean he'd have to be playing his exact age in every scene he's involved in as Bruce/Batman along the way or after that. I could easily see an approach where he plays the character from late twenties through late forties/early fifties.

 

[kguillou]

DC should simply take the Fox Xmen approach aka the “f*** it” approach. The continuity and timelines wont match up and thats fine. I am admittedly curious as to if his Batman ever crosses paths with Mamoa and Gadot down the line how that will work out or if they’ll try to play it as Pattinson has history with Mamoa and Gadot....or Cavill.

 

[flickchick85]

I just think it’s silly to start a new universe years from now with this new Batman. Like they already have a universe that’s finally proving successful on all fronts. Just blend him in should his take be successful as well. Seems dumb to wait for the wildly successful films they have to run their courses.

Except it’s not successful on ALL fronts - the big “interconnection” moment failed spectacularly. So all I’m saying is, just forget it for a while, and focus on what IS working. I’m not saying to boot the successful incarnations of WW and AM, I’m saying that by the time they get around to having a group ready to join forces again, those two will naturally be ready to bow out, so let them. You don’t have to bend over backwards to explain the different universe thing, or explain it at all- it will just naturally feel that way, and that’s fine. Just let the filmmakers make their movies without forcing a grand interconnection plan onto them. If they want to throw out a reference or two to other heroes, then let them do that too. And then when you’ve got a good group of heroes established, bring ‘em together when the time feels right (which I’m just saying likely wouldn’t be til Gal and Jason are about done with their runs).