The Dark Knight LR: Has some news for us

[Hunter Rider]

I have no problem AT ALL with Rachel being re-cast. Katie was perceived as being the weakest link of the first film, so why not improve that part of it?

If they felt that way then just write a new charatcer,Rachel's role was wrapped up in the movie,no point in a recast that hurts continuity

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Definitely,gave him motivation,forget the seminars and self help books and break out the hooters every time i say

People can say what they will about her acting ability... but she seems like a very cuddly girl.

 

[TheBat812]

The only reason Katie HOlmes would not be returning would be she doesn't want to for some reason. I doubt it has anything to do with the quality of her acting.

 

[Milkman95]

This is the worst news and most worried I've been about this movie yet.

Matt Damon- that's a great goal and direction to go after for Harvey Dent. He'd had been perfect. They would have had to have met with him, talked to him about where they wanted to take the character and possibly let him read a script. Why wouldn't he take it? Was the script or direction bad?

Norton is a good choice but not my first, second, or top five actually. Foxx would be downright disturbing.

Then there is this matter of a recast. What the hell is that about? Did we not learn our lesson from the first four films? Also, the Rachel character is such an easy character to not have in the next film that an unnecessary recast is well, unnecessary.

And why no Penguin? Jet has been pretty sold on Penguin and Black Mask being in this film....I had hopes.

-R

First off, Damon could have a full schedule and simply didn't want to do a comic book film. Secondly, Norton or Foxx would be good in the role, I have no doubts.

Finally, re-casting Rachel would be no big deal. What do you mean "Didn't they learn their lesson from the first four films?" Oh, you mean the lesson that Val Kilmer's Batman film made a boat load more than Keaton's Batman Returns? Oh, okay.... And that was the lead role............

 

[Seen]

Perhaps Damon didn't want to get involved in another franchise, with another longterm comittment.

He's just finishing up THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM and OCEAN'S 13, the last installments of each respective franchise, and perhaps the thought of yet another franchise (which means not one film, but two, if not possibly more) didn't appeal to him.

Who knows.

 

[StorminNorman]

Maybe Damon just ****ing hates comic movies?

 

[Excel]

I'll just say if an actress I like (McAdams!) gets cast as Rachel than I'll be happy. But if it's someone I dont want (Connelly!), I will be unhappy.



as for damon, guys this isnt some normal film. hed be signing up for two hell productions, and damons never really done a big outlandish blockbuster before unless you count bourne which i dont. There are plenty of other actors that can play Dent and Two-face so that is the least of my worries. What I want is for it to be cast and pronto!

 

[Seen]

Maybe Damon just ****ing hates comic movies?

So did (does?) Heath Ledger but he agreed to do The Joker.

 

[explode7]

Cole Hauser for Dent.

 

[Excel]

do not forget, several people turned down the roles of Ra's Al Ghul and James Gordon for Batman Begins.

I doubt it has anything to do with quality.

 

[Seen]

do not forget, several people turned down the roles of Ra's Al Ghul and James Gordon for Batman Begins.

I doubt it has anything to do with quality.

And the actors we got instead proved to be absolutely fantastic in the end, so I'm not worried at all. In fact, Nolan sort of has a reputation now of finding great alternative choices for roles.

 

[AssMan]

I thought BOF said no news for a while

 

[Agentsands77]

I thought BOF said no news for a while

No, they said no official announcements were on the way for a while. Big difference.

But anyway, Matt Damon would have been an excellent choice. Don't think so? Check out THE DEPARTED and THE GOOD SHEPHERD. I'm not excited about the other rumored names (Foxx or Norton), but I'd give them a shot if cast. Hopefully somebody else will come in and be stellar.

As far as recasting Rachel Dawes? That's shocking. I'm not a fan of that move (I'd rather see the character gone, period), but we'll see who gets put in the part. At least there's no Katie Holmes.

 

[El Payaso]

I thought she did well in her scenes with Bale

I have to ask which ones exactly. The one where she slaps him twice was horrid. Basics for acting is not to repeat something for the sake of it or the action will unavoidably lost all of its power. And the first time wasn't that effective either. You can't keep an actress that can't make such a simple and cliché action like slapping the man she loves well. The rest of the scenes was her with the sad eyebrows repeating a text.

Meh those accusations mean what exactly ? lots of films from Bond to Indy have had different girls in them each time,only the weak director would pay heed to that and keeping her wouldn't be foolish because she did well IMO and it's dumber to recast so they can keep a small part going

Meh those accusations of 're-cast is wrong' mean what exactly ?

Lots of films from Bond to Indy have had different actors in the same role, only the weak director would pay heed to that.

Now if you think she's a great actress can't blame you to say you want to stay but she really was poor in best of cases, given the great cast around her.

 

[The Shape]

Just because a terrible actress ruined the character it means the character should be forgotten? At the very least we deserve to know how good the character actually is. Getting rid of Holmes is the first step.

Ok. We get it. You hate Katie Holmes.

But the character of Rachel Dawes was lame. Her relationship with Bruce was not compelling and it seems like the filmmakers said, "Okay, we can't think of a good love story so we need like a half-and-half love interest for Batman who really means nothing and is unimportant to the story."

It's almost as if Rachel Dawes' sole purpose for being in the story was to say "It's not who you are underneath, bu what you do that defines you." And at the end of the story her story was nothing close to being secured for the sequel, so she can be dumped for TDK easily.

 

[explode7]

I thought BOF said no news for a while

I think that name suits you best

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't like it when roles are recast unless there's a REALLY good reason, but getting the Rachel Dawes character back with a new actress is better than not getting the character back at all (which is even MORE annoying than recasting).

I like Matt Damon, but I can't see him as Dent. Jamie Foxx, on the other hand, would, IMO, make a really cool Harvey Dent, not only because Foxx is a good actor, but also because, if cast, he'd be getting a chance to do what Billy Dee Williams should have gotten to do (play an African-American Harvey Dent/Two-Face). Edward Norton and Josh Lucas would also be great as Dent, but Foxx is my #1 personal choice out of those mentioned in the LR article.

Also, for what it's worth, Jett at BoF lists LR as a site he trusts.

 

[JackBauer24]

*prays to the Gods of good acting*

Please not Josh Lucas Please not Josh Lucas Please not Josh Lucas Please not Josh

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't like it when roles are recast unless there's a REALLY good reason, but getting the Rachel Dawes character back with a new actress is better than not getting the character back at all (which is even MORE annoying than recasting).

I like Matt Damon, but I can't see him as Dent. Jamie Foxx, on the other hand, would, IMO, make a really cool Harvey Dent, not only because Foxx is a good actor, but also because, if cast, he'd be getting a chance to do what Billy Dee Williams should have gotten to do (play an African-American Harvey Dent/Two-Face). Edward Norton and Josh Lucas would also be great as Dent, but Foxx is my #1 personal choice out of those mentioned in the LR article.

Also, for what it's worth, Jett at BoF lists LR as a site he trusts.

OMG, somebody else who likes the idea of Foxx for Dent!

 

[Agentsands77]

Ok. We get it. You hate Katie Holmes.

As everyone should.

But the character of Rachel Dawes was lame. Her relationship with Bruce was not compelling and it seems like the filmmakers said, "Okay, we can't think of a good love story so we need like a half-and-half love interest for Batman who really means nothing and is unimportant to the story."

It's almost as if Rachel Dawes' sole purpose for being in the story was to say "It's not who you are underneath, bu what you do that defines you." And at the end of the story her story was nothing close to being secured for the sequel, so she can be dumped for TDK easily.

On paper, she was by far the most compelling film romance for Batman outside of Selina Kyle, and did have the interesting position of being the "childhood crush" that Batman has to leave behind, as he leaves behind a chance of a normal life. A better actress would have made the character work.

 

[Avernus]

I just hope that Scarlett Johansson's performance in The Prestige is what swayed Nolan to recast...

 

[Crooklyn]

Finally, re-casting Rachel would be no big deal. What do you mean "Didn't they learn their lesson from the first four films?" Oh, you mean the lesson that Val Kilmer's Batman film made a boat load more than Keaton's Batman Returns? Oh, okay.... And that was the lead role............

And that franchise went in a completely different direction. Recasting the role wasn't really unexpected considering almost everyone was pretty much new.

I don't like it when roles are recast unless there's a REALLY good reason, but getting the Rachel Dawes character back with a new actress is better than not getting the character back at all (which is even MORE annoying than recasting).

It's only annoying when the character didn't have closure and she all of a sudden disappears. Not the case here.

I hope to god this is the only info LR gets wrong. If they didn't like Holmes acting, then they shouldn't have cast her in the first film. Could've saved a whole lot of trouble from the beginning.

 

[El Payaso]

Ok. We get it. You hate Katie Holmes.

In fact I hate his bad acting. Specially in a Batman movie, runing the acting level.

You'll notice I never mention her other terrible actings and I'll never mention her again after she's replaced.

So she can move on with her life and I won't be hating her.

But the character of Rachel Dawes was lame. Her relationship with Bruce was not compelling and it seems like the filmmakers said, "Okay, we can't think of a good love story so we need like a half-and-half love interest for Batman who really means nothing and is unimportant to the story."

It's almost as if Rachel Dawes' sole purpose for being in the story was to say "It's not who you are underneath, bu what you do that defines you." And at the end of the story her story was nothing close to being secured for the sequel, so she can be dumped for TDK easily.

Knowing Goyer as a screenwriter that's totally possible.

Still, I think the character deserves a chance now Goyer is not writing his uber obvious dialogues.

I wouldn't be mad at all if rachel never comes back. But if she is, she better be portrayed by someone competent and talented.

 

[StorminNorman]

So did (does?) Heath Ledger but he agreed to do The Joker.

But he loves Batman Begins and anything Nolan makes - apparently

 

[DigificWriter]

It's only annoying when the character didn't have closure and she all of a sudden disappears. Not the case here.

I hope to god this is the only info LR gets wrong. If they didn't like Holmes acting, then they shouldn't have cast her in the first film. Could've saved a whole lot of trouble from the beginning.

Personally, I thought the final scene between Rachel and Bruce in 'Begins' offered both closure AND the possibility of further stories being told using the character. Not having a character return when the possibility of further involvement by said character in future stories still exists IS annoying, regardless of whether or not there's explanation given concerning why the character isn't back. I'm not psyched about the character being recast, but can accept it.

JOOC, why is everyone assuming that the role is being recast because the producers didn't like Katie Holmes's acting? It's far more likely, IMO, that she opted not to return.