The Dark Knight Lucas, Jackman, Schrieber, or Gyllenhaal?

[grabmygladys]

Whoa Shag calm down buddy.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Stupid people just piss me off, sorry.

 

[grabmygladys]

Toleration is what America is about my friend.

 

[kytrigger]

Toleration is what America is about my friend.

True, I'm respectfully disagreeing with Cinemaman because I just don't agree with his opinion, not because english isn't his first language.








Also because if I was mean then the rest of GAM would come and beat me up.

 

[grabmygladys]

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[Nightwing 52]

Stupid people just piss me off, sorry.

Stating his own opinion doesn't make him stupid. Even if people don't agree with it, or if it's off-topic which it shouldn't be...

 

[Doc Holliday]

He was being ignorant. Stupid wasn't really the right word.

He was giving the impression that only his opinion mattered and that he could see from the eyes of a general movie goer as well as a Bat-fan while Norman couldn't.

 

[grabmygladys]

Sadly not even Nolan can make every fan happy but in the end he will most likely please every fan on this board since we already loved BB. We have no reason to hate on eachother and just let an ignorant statement roll off your shoulder.

 

[Nightwing 52]

He was being ignorant. Stupid wasn't really the right word.

Exactly.

He was giving the impression that only his opinion mattered and that he could see from the eyes of a general movie goer as well as a Bat-fan while Norman couldn't.

I agree with Norman's view on it, he has a point. Both Robin and Catwoman can fit well in this franchise IF they are done right. She doesn't have to necessarily be Catwoman first in order to be introduced. She can just be Selina Kyle, then don the mask if be.

By the way, the purple suit Cinemaman was referring too was the one Robin wore in Forever.

 

[Black Panther]

I agree with Norman's view on it, he has a point. Both Robin and Catwoman can fit well in this franchise IF they are done right. She doesn't have to necessarily be Catwoman first in order to be introduced. She can just be Selina Kyle, then don the mask if be.

Word up, Bats.

I agree with Norman's posts as well.

 

[Black Panther]

Double post.

 

[Black Panther]

Edit, I'm a fiend.

 

[Avernus]

Well, you can't really say that now, since it has been revealed that there will be 4 villians in Spider-man 3.

Here is the thing. You are correct that bringing in Catwoman for BB2 or BB3 will probably not serve much to the main plot of the film. She doesn't have connections to Two-face or Joker, BUT that is what could make including her so interesting.

The problem with every superhero movie is that everything and everyone is somehow connected. It's like the entire world actually just revolves around the several main characters. The BB franchise has a chance to change this. It can show Batman stopping a crime that has absolutely nothing to do with Joker's or Two-Face's plot to destroy the city/whatever and Catwoman woud be perfect in that case.

She would still be challenging to catch, visually stunning, could fill the obligatory love interest role that eh WB wants, and would overall not be a threat to the city. All she does is rob people...that's it. It's so simple, but it's never been done in a superhero movie before. It would show that while Batman's main agenda might be to track down Joker/Two-Face and stop them, he is still fighting crimes on smaller levels, not just on a "city threatening" scale.



As for Robin, while I don't really want him in BB2, I am sure there is a way to make him less campy. All you would have to do is change some small origin details around and it could work. It wouldn't be easy to do since most "average joes" think of him as either kiddy or gay, but it could work.

if you check imdb....they try to make it like there is 5 villains in spiderman 3....they are having fun with us...

 

[Doc Holliday]

Avi Arad himself has said there are going to be 4 villains in Spiderman 3.

And never trust IMDb until the movie comes out, because everything is fan-submitted.

 

[kytrigger]

Avi Arad himself has said there are going to be 4 villains in Spiderman 3.

And never trust IMDb until the movie comes out, because everything is fan-submitted.

Exactly, and half the time I don't even trust Avi Arad either, but this time I do for some reason.

 

[AnimeJune]

Avi Arad himself has said there are going to be 4 villains in Spiderman 3.

And never trust IMDb until the movie comes out, because everything is fan-submitted.

Exactly - the only villains we know about are Venom, Sandman, and MAYBE Goblin - although we have so far seen no sign of him.

Moving on - Catwoman, if done well, could get her own franchise, but Halle Berry's version pretty much butchered any chances of that in the near future. I also think she shouldn't be in the Nolan films yet. Like Robin, she was a part of Batman's social connections, but not a part of his origin or his beginning. Let him begin properly first, then add the supporting characters.

By the way - 666th post! OOoooooOOO!

 

[Cinemaman]

Catwoman (nor is any villian outside of Joker and Two Face) is a necessity. Catwoman is a character that works great with Batman though ( and I think is a perfect fit for this series) because she plays on both Batman and Bruce Wayne. IMO Hush is one of the best Batman stories, why? It capitalizes on Catwoman/Kyles - Batman/Waynes relationship and the fact that Catwoman can play both sides of the game. This makes for an intresting character.

I am a Bat-fan, however I had not read a single comic until after Begins. I knew nothing about Batman Begins before or saw or, nor even heard of Christian Bale or Chris Nolan - I too can see things easily from a mainstreme movie goer.

C'mon, I dont think Bats will end with her as love interest.

Batman will not have time for her, his the main enemy is 2Face.

Besides, such character as Catwoman need more time, and as I know the whole 3rd film is about batlle of Batman with 2Face and Joker

While Riddler can have only 2-3 scenes, which can say everything what is need to be in film.

In Batman Returns Penguin had 2Face's part, while Catwoman had part of Joker. She need more time than 2-3 scenes. But the whole time isn't enough to tell her story.

 

[Cinemaman]

Well, you can't really say that now, since it has been revealed that there will be 4 villians in Spider-man 3.

Here is the thing. You are correct that bringing in Catwoman for BB2 or BB3 will probably not serve much to the main plot of the film. She doesn't have connections to Two-face or Joker, BUT that is what could make including her so interesting.

The problem with every superhero movie is that everything and everyone is somehow connected. It's like the entire world actually just revolves around the several main characters. The BB franchise has a chance to change this. It can show Batman stopping a crime that has absolutely nothing to do with Joker's or Two-Face's plot to destroy the city/whatever and Catwoman woud be perfect in that case.

She would still be challenging to catch, visually stunning, could fill the obligatory love interest role that eh WB wants, and would overall not be a threat to the city. All she does is rob people...that's it. It's so simple, but it's never been done in a superhero movie before. It would show that while Batman's main agenda might be to track down Joker/Two-Face and stop them, he is still fighting crimes on smaller levels, not just on a "city threatening" scale.



As for Robin, while I don't really want him in BB2, I am sure there is a way to make him less campy. All you would have to do is change some small origin details around and it could work. It wouldn't be easy to do since most "average joes" think of him as either kiddy or gay, but it could work.

It could make her unnecessary character without any sense to be in film.

And movies are not comics, they need connection between characters. It doesn't work, when there is the villian, who doesn't have any connection with the main hero.

Robin's suit have enough colors, which are not connected with Batman's world. Shumaher wanted to change his suit and made it worser. If they dont include Robin in this film and fans will be angry, it will be better than including character without something intersting.

 

[Cinemaman]

He's really not. All he's said is that Robin shouldn't enter the franchise until somewhere down the line, and he doubts he'll be directing at that point. It kinda dissappoints me, because if there's one person I think could reinvent Robin the right way, it's Nolan.

As for Catwoman, I'd love to see her in this new franchise. She'd be a far more interesting love interest than the typical damsel in distress we always see in superhero movies. She doesn't have to be tied to the main plot at all, either. It's not like these villains sit around and wait for one group to finish their evil plot so they can start theirs. While Two-Face is on his revenge quest against the Joker or whatever the plot is, Catwoman could still be robbing people and Batman could be dealing with her.

As for Riddler, Edward Norton would be awesome, but I dont see him having a place in the next 2 films. I'd love to see him somewhere down the line though, perhaps as a side-villain to someone who could hold a movie on their own better. I mean, do we really want them to use up all the good villains so soon? There wont be anyone left after 3 movies!

Nolan want to make only trilogy, what is enough. And if WB want to keep him for 4,5 and 6 films, they will not able to do that, because Nolan dont want this.
But I think they will be smart and will not change director, because they learned one lesson with previous Bat-franchise. If they chage director, the whole franchise will be ruined again, what is bad for them.

 

[grabmygladys]

Robin should never be in another Batman movie plain and simple.

 

[Cinemaman]

Dent wasn't in the first one, and Rachel was a made up character, so she had NO connection with him, unless a small part for her is written in to BB2.

And you're right, Rachel isn't as dynamic of a character as Catwoman. Catwoman and Batman have an almost relationship, as do Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne.

And when the hell did Wonder Woman come in to this discussion? She is her own superhero, not a villain or companion to anyone else.

Cinemaman, go learn some English, and stop being so damn ignorant and righteous.

Rachel will get some connection with Dent, so she had another connection with Bruse in her childhood.

Stop saying it man, it doesn't make any sense, I am not so good with English, but it cant stop me.

It is weak way against me

 

[Cinemaman]

True, I'm respectfully disagreeing with Cinemaman because I just don't agree with his opinion, not because english isn't his first language.








Also because if I was mean then the rest of GAM would come and beat me up.

Finally, I found only one clever poster among you all.

Hey, I am fine with that you dont agree with me, it is normal

But I hate people, who dont think I am right, because my English isn't so good

 

[Cinemaman]

Exactly - the only villains we know about are Venom, Sandman, and MAYBE Goblin - although we have so far seen no sign of him.

Moving on - Catwoman, if done well, could get her own franchise, but Halle Berry's version pretty much butchered any chances of that in the near future. I also think she shouldn't be in the Nolan films yet. Like Robin, she was a part of Batman's social connections, but not a part of his origin or his beginning. Let him begin properly first, then add the supporting characters.

By the way - 666th post! OOoooooOOO!

I will agree with you.

And Berry ruined the whole Catwoman's hopes

 

[Two-Face]

Berry ruined the whole Catwoman's hopes

How?? Her movie isn't part of Nolan's Batman movies.

 

[Two-Face]

Rachel had connection with Dent, which Nolan will show in sequel.

Harvey Dent was in BB??

I must have watched diferent version of Batman Begins, in comics there is no Childhood friend called Rachel who bacame Assisiant DA and Nolan wrote the character for Katie Holmes and only wanted Holmes as Rachel. We don't know if Katie Holmes returns for sequel since she's taking break from acting to look after her child, if she returns great but if not I say take out the character because I hate recast for a character.